Historic Preservation Commission Meeting
Regular MeetingUrbana, IL · October 12, 2017
Minutes
October 12, 2017
MINUTES OF A SPECIAL MEETING
URBANA HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION
DATE: October 12, 2017 APPROVED
TIME: 5:30 p.m.
PLACE: City Council Chambers, Urbana City Building, 400 South Vine Street, Urbana, Illinois
MEMBERS PRESENT: Scott Dossett, Matt Metcalf, Alice Novak, Gina Pagliuso, David
Seyler, Trent Shepard, Kim Smith
STAFF PRESENT: Lorrie Pearson, Planning Manager; Kevin Garcia, Planner II
OTHERS PRESENT: Gary Burgett, Yidan Chen, Gaelan Finney-Day, Alex Graden,
Keddy Hutson, Louise Kuhny, Seokwoo Lee, Linda Lorenz, Dahee
Min, Marie Pierre Lassiva Moulin, Pierre Moulin, Sheila Parinas,
Luke Pilliod
1. CALL TO ORDER, ROLL CALL AND DECLARATION OF QUORUM
Chair Novak called the meeting to order at 7:00 p.m. Roll call was taken, and a quorum was
declared present.
2. CHANGES TO THE AGENDA
There were none.
3. APPROVAL OF MINUTES
The minutes of the June 7, 2017 Historic Preservation Commission special meeting were presented
for approval. Mr. Dossett moved that the Historic Preservation Commission approve the minutes as
written. Ms. Smith seconded the motion.
Chair Novak suggested including the following corrections:
Page 3, 2nd Paragraph from the bottom – Change IHSA to IHPA
Page 4, 2nd Paragraph from the top – amend to read as such, “If several people helped to
write the nominations, then it would help.”
Mr. Dossett and Ms. Smith both agreed to include the corrections in the motion. The minutes were
approved as amended by unanimous voice vote.
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4. WRITTEN COMMUNICATIONS
Letter from Ted Christy, Associate Director for Project Planning in Facilities and Services at
the University of Illinois in response to the Commission’s letter regarding Mumford
House’s red x in the Campus Master Plan Update
5. AUDIENCE PARTICIPATION
Louis Kuhny approached the Historic Preservation Commission to speak. She asked if the
Historic Preservation Commission had a formal process for monitoring historic properties. She
said there are historic properties that are not being well kept. She encouraged the Commission
members to look at any written processes they have and to consider making monitoring of
historic properties a more formal process to become more proactive.
6. CONTINUED PUBLIC HEARINGS
There were none.
7. OLD BUSINESS
There was none.
8. NEW PUBLIC HEARINGS
HP-2017-COA-01 – A request by Pierre Moulin for a Certificate of Appropriateness for the
repair and restoration of exterior architectural features, the removal of an enclosed porch
addition from the 1980s, and other exterior work at 1404 South Lincoln Avenue.
Chair Novak opened the public hearing for this case. Ms. Smith recused herself due to a conflict of
interest. Chair Novak reviewed the procedure for a public hearing.
Kevin Garcia, Planner II, presented the staff report for the case to the Historic Preservation
Commission. He began by noting the work that the applicant intends to do to the existing building.
This includes removal of the existing sunroom that was constructed in 1988, adding two new
parking areas, widening of the access drives off Vermont Avenue, restoring existing windows,
maintaining existing and providing new landscaping, installing 20 bicycle parking spaces and
providing a collection area for garbage and recycling. He explained the history of the existing
building. He reviewed the requirements for a Certificate of Appropriateness from Section XII-6.C
of the Urbana Zoning Ordinance. He read the options of the Historic Preservation Commission and
presented City staff’s recommendation for approval including two conditions. Lorrie Pearson,
Planning Manager, suggested adding the following language to the conditions, “except for those
changes that are necessary to achieve approval of the Planned Unit Development.” This would
prevent having to bring the case back to the Historic Preservation Commission for further review if
the Plan Commission should recommend a change to the PUD plans.
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Chair Novak asked if the Historic Preservation Commission members had any questions for City
staff. There were none. Chair Novak opened the hearing for public input. She invited the
petitioner to speak.
Pierre Moulin, applicant, approached the Historic Preservation Commission to speak in favor of his
request for a Certificate of Appropriateness. Although it needs many repairs, he found that restoring
the windows and roof would be easier than he initially thought it would be. He hoped to have the
repairs and restorations completed by August 1, 2018.
Keddy Hutson, architect for the renovation, approached the Historic Preservation Commission to
speak in favor of the proposed Certificate of Appropriateness. They are proposing to have 18
apartments, unique in the shape of the spaces and features such as fireplaces and French doors.
There is very little new work planned for the exterior, so they would be reusing the existing roofing,
stucco and window materials. They would have 40 beds so there would be a reduction from when it
was used as a sorority. Both entrances and the first floor units would be accessible.
Mr. Dossett did not notice any fire escapes in any of the pictures. He asked if the existing building
met the current building code. Mr. Hutson replied that when the 1960s addition was constructed,
they provided a two-code fire stair in the northwest corner of the front courtyard. There is also a
stairway in the rear of the original part of the building.
Mr. Dossett stated that the existing building seemed to lack a lot of modern communication
infrastructure. Mr. Hutson responded that this would be taken into consideration and they should be
able to get sight lines from the rear part of the property. The interior will have new cable, electrical
and mechanical.
Mr. Dossett expressed concern about the long-term viability of the roof. Mr. Hutson explained that
Mr. Moulin had obtained bids from roofing contractors for ongoing maintenance to the roof. Mr.
Moulin factored this cost into his pro forma where he will maintain the two distinct types of roofing,
but bring them both back gradually.
Mr. Dossett wondered if any of the demolished brick from the 1980s addition could be used to redo
the bottom section of the walls in the kitchen instead of using stucco for the entire walls. Mr.
Hutson said that would be a good idea, and they should have plenty of brick to use.
Chair Novak inquired about the window on the east side of the gable toward the front. Was that an
original opening? Mr. Hutson said no. He believed it was modified. He planned to replace the
window with a historic window and raise it up to the original opening.
Chair Novak questioned where the location of the air conditioning units would be. Would it be
possible to avoid putting any in the front? Mr. Hutson replied that they would try to get as many in
back as possible; however, there is a limitation on how far the lines could run. If any units need to
be placed in the front, they would be screened.
Louise Kuhny approached the Historic Preservation Commission to speak in favor of the proposed
request. She fully supported Mr. Moulin on his restoration of the existing building at 1404 South
Lincoln Avenue. She said his motives are purely historic driven.
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She expressed concern about the next time a Planned Unit Development is proposed that might be
less clear-cut, especially with a historic building. She felt that the processes should be reviewed and
improved if needed to protect areas that need to be protected.
With no further input from the audience, Chair Novak closed the public input portion of the hearing
and opened it for discussion and/or motion(s) by the Commission.
Mr. Shepard stated that he is pleased with the professionalism of the plan and the way it is being
approached. It is a great ending for an empty landmark. He felt that the proposed Certificate of
Appropriateness should be granted.
Mr. Metcalf felt that the renovations/restorations appeared to be respectful of the existing structure.
The improvements will preserve the architectural as well as the social aspect of the structure.
Mr. Dossett was pleased with the plan as represented. He felt they made the right decision a couple
of years back to hold out and now the applicant has proposed great plans for the structure.
Ms. Pagliuso noted that it has been a long battle to get the structure landmarked, and it was nice to
see someone take such good care of it going forward.
Mr. Dossett moved that the Historic Preservation Commission grant a Certificate of
Appropriateness for Case No. HP-2017-COA-01 subject to the following conditions:
1. That construction be in general conformance with the submitted Site Plan and Elevations,
except those changes to the Site Plan that are necessary to achieve approval of the Planned
Unit Development (PUD); and,
2. That additional Certificates of Appropriateness be obtained prior to:
a) Undertaking any minor or major works not contained in the attached Site Plan and
Elevations; or,
b) Making substantial changes to minor or major works approved by this Certificate of
Appropriateness.
Mr. Shepard seconded the motion. Roll call on the motion was as follows:
Mr. Metcalf - Yes Ms. Pagliuso - Yes
Mr. Seyler - Yes Ms. Novak - Yes
Mr. Dossett - Yes Mr. Shepard - Yes
The motion was approved by unanimous vote.
Mr. Dossett commented that there are some mature, invasive shrubs along the northern property
line. He asked that they please clear-cut them, stem poison them and prevent their spread, if
possible.
Ms. Smith returned to the dais.
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9. NEW BUSINESS
There was none.
10. MONITORING OF HISTORIC PROPERTIES
Southeast Property at Buena Vista
Ms. Pagliuso reported that the existing structure is looking ragged. The stucco is falling off.
Mumford House
Ms. Pagliuso reported that the existing structure is in need of repairs. She contacted the University
of Illinois and was given the feeling that they did not have plans at this time to make repairs, so she
has requested to speak with someone else. She will keep the other members updated.
Mr. Metcalf shared her concern. He mentioned that last spring he was taking a course on “Cultural
Heritage” and wanted to show people the inside of the Mumford House. Unfortunately, no one
knew who had the keys to the house to open it up. This was alarming. The letter that was handed
out prior to the start of the meeting assures the City that the Mumford House would not be
demolished. However, there is no pledge for the University of Illinois to do any repairs or
restoration. Ms. Pagliuso said that the latest email she received from the University of Illinois stated
that the Mumford House is on their Master Plan but confirmed that there is no money budgeted for
improvements to it. Mr. Metcalf added that the University of Illinois could do much better,
especially since it is the 150th anniversary of the University of Illinois. He said the Mumford House
is crucial to the story telling of what the University of Illinois was founded on which is agriculture
and part of that agriculture landscape that is still intact on campus.
Formal Process for Monitoring Historic Properties
Mr. Dossett said that the Historic Preservation Commission does not have a formal process. This
[“Monitoring of Historic Properties”] is the portion of the meeting when the members talk about the
historic properties and what they have become aware of happening with them. He felt this would be
a good challenge for the Historic Preservation Commission. It could be added to a future agenda so
the Historic Preservation Commission could discuss it further.
Mr. Metcalf stated that not every beautiful old house has been landmarked. They can talk about
them, but enforcement falls outside of their jurisdiction. He believed that being able to enforce
maintenance would begin with more properties being landmarked.
Ms. Novak thought they could also look at offering more incentives on the part of the City for
maintenance and projects like the case they reviewed earlier in the meeting. It would help to
encourage quality rehabs if there was a program similar to the Tax Rebate for new development of
single-family homes.
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Royer House at 801 West Oregon
Ms. Novak mentioned that there is a new owner. The owner is a preservation architect, so she felt
the owner would have a maintenance plan.
11. STAFF REPORT
Mr. Garcia reported on the following:
Training – He would be attending the National Trust Preservation Conference and the
Section 106 Training.
12. STUDY SESSION
There was none.
13. ANNOUNCEMENTS
There were none.
14. ADJOURNMENT
The meeting adjourned at 7:58 p.m.
Submitted,
Lorrie Pearson, AICP
Historic Preservation Commission Recording Secretary
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Agenda
NOTICE OF SPECIAL MEETING
URBANA HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION
DATE: Thursday, October 12, 2017
TIME: 5:30 P. M.
PLACE: City Council Chambers
Urbana City Building
400 South Vine Street
Urbana, IL 61801
REVISED AGENDA
1. CALL TO ORDER, ROLL CALL, AND DECLARATION OF QUORUM
2. CHANGES TO THE AGENDA
3. APPROVAL OF MINUTES
Minutes from the June 7, 2017 Historic Preservation Commission Regular Meeting
4. WRITTEN COMMUNICATIONS
5. AUDIENCE PARTICIPATION
6. CONTINUED PUBLIC HEARINGS
7. OLD BUSINESS
8. NEW PUBLIC HEARINGS
HP-2017-COA-01: A request by Pierre Moulin for a Certificate of Appropriateness for
the repair and restoration of exterior architectural features, the removal of an enclosed
porch addition from the 1980s, and other exterior work at 1404 South Lincoln Avenue.
9. NEW BUSINESS
10. MONITORING OF HISTORIC PROPERTIES
11. STAFF REPORT
12. STUDY SESSION
October 12, 2017
13. ANNOUNCEMENTS
14. ADJOURNMENT
NOTE: Please note that the details of a request or application related to an agenda item may
change during the public review process.
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