Plan Commission Meeting
Regular MeetingUrbana, IL · May 22, 2014
Minutes
May 22, 2014
MINUTES OF A REGULAR MEETING
URBANA PLAN COMMISSION APPROVED
DATE: May 22, 2014
TIME: 7:30 P.M.
PLACE: Urbana City Building
Council Chambers
400 South Vine Street
Urbana, IL 61801
MEMBER PRESENT: Andrew Fell, Tyler Fitch, Dannie Otto, Marilyn Upah-Bant
MEMBERS EXCUSED: Carey Hawkins-Ash, Maria Byndom, Lew Hopkins, Bernadine
Stake
STAFF PRESENT: Jeff Engstrom, Planner II; Teri Andel, Planning Administrative
Assistant; Brad Bennett, Assistant City Engineer
OTHERS PRESENT: Marcus Harris, Carol McKusick, Roger Meyer, Maogi Sun
1. CALL TO ORDER, ROLL CALL AND DECLARATION OF QUORUM
Chair Fitch called the meeting to order at 7:42 p.m. The roll was called, and he declared that
there was not a quorum of the members present.
2. CHANGES TO THE AGENDA
There were none.
3. APPROVAL OF MINUTES
The minutes of the May 8, 2014 meeting were continued to a future meeting for approval.
4. COMMUNICATIONS
There were none.
5. CONTINUED PUBLIC HEARINGS
There were none.
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6. OLD BUSINESS
There was none.
7. NEW PUBLIC HEARINGS
There were none.
8. NEW BUSINESS
Plan Case No. 2233-S-14: Country Side Second Subdivision Preliminary and Final Plats
Chair Fitch opened the case. He announced that there was not a quorum of members present so
there would not be a recommendation made during this hearing. However, they would allow
City staff to give their presentation and the petitioner to present any additional evidence. Mr.
Fell recused himself from the case for conflict of interest.
Mr. Engstrom gave the staff report for the proposed case. He explained that preliminary and
final plats for Country Side Second Subdivision were previously approved by the City Council
last year; however, the final plat was never recorded due to some difficulties that the petitioner
had with providing drainage with the proposed lot layout and due to expenses of constructing a
public street. Since then, the petitioner and his engineer have redrawn the lot lines. As a result,
they have overcome the hurdles. There will no longer be a public street and there will be an
additional outlot that will contain a drainage basin. With the previous concerns addressed, the
petitioner is now ready to proceed with the development.
He talked about the zoning and current land use of the subject property and how the proposed
development relates to the 2005 Comprehensive Plan with regards to the future land use
designation. He reviewed the Preliminary Plat and the Final Plat. He discussed access, drainage
and utilities to the subject property. He also discussed the petitioner’s request to defer
installation of sidewalks along the east side of Cottonwood Road and the north side of Anthony
Drive. He noted that the petitioner was present and Brad Bennett, Assistant City Engineer, was
both available to answer any questions the Plan Commission may have for them.
Chair Fitch asked the Plan Commission if they had any questions for City staff.
Mr. Otto asked about access to each lot. What does it mean that the petitioner took out a public
road from the original plats? Is there an easement? Using a marked up copy of the Final Plat,
Mr. Engstrom explained that the pink areas show the access easements. Depending on what the
future owners of the lots agree to, the access easement off Cottonwood Road could access all of
the lots and/or Lots 13 and 14 could have a shared access easement along the eastern property
line off Anthony Drive.
Mr. Otto questioned whether the access easement off Anthony Drive would have to be built
according to any specifications for public safety. Mr. Engstrom answered no. It would be
considered a driveway and could be as narrow as ten feet wide.
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Mr. Otto inquired as to who would maintain the outlot with the drainage basin. Mr. Engstrom
explained that the petitioner would be recording a Homeowner’s Association Covenants along
with the Final Plat. Brad Bennett, Assistant City Engineer, added that the City’s Public Works
staff requested that the drainage basin be on a separate lot so that a neighboring future lot owner
would not take ownership of the basin area and utilize it for their own purposes. The
Homeowner’s Association will have to mow and take care of it. The future owners will have to
sign a detention basin maintenance agreement, which sets forth what they will have to do. It also
sets a procedure for the City to take action if the future lots owners do not maintain the basin.
Mr. Otto asked if the proposed drainage swale runs on top of the easement for the driveway
access. Mr. Engstrom referred the question to the petitioner’s engineer.
Mr. Fitch inquired about the type of material that could be used for the access drives. Mr.
Engstrom stated that they can use any materials that the Champaign County allows.
With no further questions for City staff, Chair Fitch opened the case up to hear testimony or
comments from the petitioner.
Marcus Harris, petitioner, and Roger Meyer, engineer, approached the Plan Commission. They
explained the drainage plan to the Plan Commission. Mr. Meyer stated that they have made it an
ingress/egress drainage utility easement to fulfill all purposes. They talked about the access
easements. Mr. Harris clarified that future lot owners of properties abutting up to a road will
have the option to have an individual driveway off the road or have a driveway off the access
easement.
Mr. Fitch inquired about the options if a person bought Lot 13 before Lot 12 was sold. Would
the lot owner of Lot 13 have the option to have access from the easement off Cottonwood Road?
Mr. Harris said that they would definitely be able to have access off Anthony Drive, but would
have to wait until Lot 12 was sold to see if that owner would agree to extend the easement off
Cottonwood Road to Lot 13. As long as he owns Lot 12, if the future owner of Lot 13 wanted to
work out an agreement to extend the easement, he could make that agreement and pass it on to a
future owner of Lot 12. It basically comes down to the future owners of the lots having to work
together.
Ms. Upah-Bant wondered if it was unusual to have a homeowner’s association in a country
subdivision. Mr. Harris stated that it is a newer concept, but he hoped it would not keep anyone
from wanting to buy one of his lots. Brickhouse Road Subdivision has a homeowner’s
association.
There were no additional questions for the petitioner.
Mr. Otto felt that the petitioner and his engineer addressed his concerns and questions about
drainage.
Mr. Fitch closed the public hearing and continued it to the June 5, 2014 meeting.
Mr. Fell rejoined the Plan Commission at the dais.
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9. AUDIENCE PARTICIPATION
Carol McKusick, of 1907 North Cunningham Avenue, stated the following:
She did not get an opportunity to speak on the case that was before the Plan Commission
during the public hearing. Mr. Fitch apologized. Ms. McKusick inquired how the public
would know if the storm water management report had been approved by the City
Engineer. Mr. Fitch explained that the written staff report for Plan Case No. 2233-S-14
mentions that the City Engineer has given a preliminary approval of the drainage plan.
Final approval would not occur until the City Council acts on the case.
She discussed Article V.5 of the Plan Commission By-Laws which states that “Any
person addressing the Plan Commission during ‘Audience Participation’ shall be
allowed five (5) minutes to speak. It shall be the prerogative of the Chairperson to
extend the five (5) minute time limit or if the Chairperson does not enforce or extend the
time limit, the extension shall be decided without de3bate by a motion approved by the
majority vote of the members of the Commission present.” She asked for her five
minutes to be uninterrupted so she would get the most comments in during her five
minutes, and then have the Chairperson respond to her questions after her five minutes is
expired. Mr. Fitch said no.
She talked about a majority vote. Some decisions would be okay to make with less than a
quorum such as, changing the agenda, approving the minutes, taking a recess or to
reconvene, etc.
She believes it is important for a meeting to start on time regardless of who is in
attendance and regardless of whether there is a quorum or not.
She feels that the City should have a Board of Government Information.
She believes that the City should hold meetings even if there is not a quorum. Meetings
should not be cancelled because that does not allow for public input/comments.
Mr. Fitch explained that one reason why he waited to start the meeting was to be fair to the
petitioner in hopes that another member would arrive late to make a quorum. The reason he
opened the meeting and took comments and questions was to be fair to the petitioner and to the
members of the public that attended the meeting. He thanked her for attending the meeting and
sharing her opinions.
10. STAFF REPORT
Mr. Engstrom reported on the following:
Campus Circle Special Use Permit was approved by City Council.
New Planners – Two new planners have been hired and will begin working for the City
of Urbana soon.
11. STUDY SESSION
There was none.
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12. ADJOURNMENT OF MEETING
The meeting was adjourned at 8:25 p.m.
Respectfully submitted,
____________________________
Elizabeth H. Tyler, FAICP, Secretary
Urbana Plan Commission
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Agenda
NOTICE OF REGULAR MEETING
URBANA PLAN COMMISSION
DATE: Thursday, May 22, 2014
TIME: 7:30 P.M.
PLACE: City Council Chambers
Urbana City Building
400 South Vine Street
Urbana, Illinois 61801
AGENDA
1. CALL TO ORDER, ROLL CALL, AND DECLARATION OF QUORUM
2. CHANGES TO THE AGENDA
3. APPROVAL OF MINUTES
Minutes from the May 8, 2014 Plan Commission Regular Meeting
4. COMMUNICATIONS
5. CONTINUED PUBLIC HEARINGS
6. OLD BUSINESS
7. NEW PUBLIC HEARINGS
8. NEW BUSINESS
Plan Case No. 2233-S-14: Countryside Second Subdivision Preliminary and Final Plats
9. AUDIENCE PARTICIPATION
10. STAFF REPORT
11. STUDY SESSION
12. ADJOURNMENT
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