Board of Trustees
Regular MeetingWalden, NY · January 7, 2020
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Village of Walden
Board of Trustees Regular Meeting
January 7, 2020
Deputy Mayor Moore called the regular meeting of the Village of Walden Board of Trustees to
order at 6:30pm.
On roll call the following were:
Present: Mayor
Trustees Faith Moore
John Ramos
Larry Kraus
Brian Sebring
Dan Svarczkopf
Lynn E. Thompson
Absent: Sue Rumbold
Also Present: John Revella, Village Manager
Marisa Kraus, Village Clerk
Kelly A. Kelly, Village Treasurer
Dave Donovan, Village Attorney
Public Hearing – Comprehensive Plan
Trustee Ramos made a motion to open Public Hearing – Comprehensive Plan. Seconded by Trustee
Sebring. All ayes. Motion carried.
Mike McNamee: Railroad Ave. I went through, I found a couple of things that were kind of
inaccurate. A lot of it seemed to be kind of cut and paste in the Police Protection. The numbers were
not even close to being accurate in the timetable that's listed. I think showed that 81 arrests for the
month on average. Yet there's like 240 arrests for the entire year. It was on page 60. 8.1 Police
Protection. It's also in there that downstairs is going to answer 911 calls. Orange County took that
capability away from all peace apps. Probably about the time of the 2012 Comprehensive Plan. It
lists in there the Foot Patrol. Pretty sure the Foot Patrol for the Police Dept. has not been staffed for
a number of years now. The evening Foot Patrol has been gone for quite a while. Page 61, 8.2. for
the Fire Ambulance inspection. It cites several Fire Ambulance companies and the fact there's only
1 in the Village. It lists over 200 active members of the Fire Department. That number is probably
about 25% of that. It lists 7 Fire Districts in Town. Walden is 1 of 4. Just some things that I want to
give my opinion on. 8.1 for Police Protection. If you look at the table, there's a significant jump in
2011. Pretty sure that there should be a note that said they started counting their calls for service.
So, it looks like it almost doubled in workload. When in reality, that's not true. Page 68, 8.5.4 a
recommendation for Public Works for plan on working with the town on the Wellhead Protection
areas and looking at Wellhead Protection areas while analyzing annexation requests. A few
members of this board have recently spoke out in meetings against entertaining annexation of lands
adjacent to some of the Village wells on 52. Even without the new annexation that was recently
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discussed. The previous annexation property could have easily included the uninhabited lands of
Wallkill Valley Cemetery and wetland across the street. The best way to be able to protect the lands
around the wells, is own the lands around wells. You don't have to worry about what the Town of
Montgomery Planning Board does around the wells if it's in the Village of Walden. Page 82 the
overall Chapter 10 Implementation Plan of the 72 items in the Implementation Plan, 11 are ongoing.
Need no policy or action taken. Of the remaining 61 items, 38 are listed as immediate or short-term
priority in the 2012 plan that have no action taken. So, I'm not sure what the point of updating the
Comprehensive Plans is if more than half of the recommendations in the last plan have not been
addressed? Number 22, the sidewalks on East Main Street from Highland Avenue to the center of
town. This is also listed in the 2012 plan. Today, there is significant safety issues with the sidewalks
and portion of the roadway that are significantly undermined and collapsing in the area of Railroad
Avenue. Number 27 refers to working Orange County Transportation Council, bus and shuttle
service. Yet, the most recent plan that was adopted just a couple years ago has an entire section on
this. Walden was not mentioned in any way, shape or form. Again, the last 5 years, nobody has been
working with them on that. Now the long-range plan is to adopt it and there's nothing in there
whatsoever. 38, 39 refer to open spaces at the edge of the Village to keep a distinctive edge. This
contradicts the regional plans in sections 2.1.1 and 2.1.5. encourage your growth to occur at existing
developed areas like Walden to preserve the rural nature on the outside. Number 53, the plan calls
for service to be monitored for EMS. Yet no statistics are here. There's a significant need for
improvement. Overall, I noticed very little has changed since the 2012 plan. Many of the maps, the
figure tables in the 2019 plan are extremely poor quality. They appear to be snippets of the 2012
plan. You just can't read any of the maps. Implementation, there was a removal working with the
state and county of working with a truck bypass route for Walden. Not sure why that was removed.
Shared Services, in the entire plan is for Recreation. I think the plan should also be looking at all
areas of Government services for shared services or consolidation of Village of Walden $16.85 in
addition to water and sewer fees are extremely high, in my opinion, for the service that we get. The
fact that in the Town of Montgomery, we have 4 Planning Boards, 4 Ethics Boards, 4 Zoning
Boards, 4 Police Departments, 4 Fire Departments. I think overall, all these plans should get
together and figure out what we can do to make it better for the brethren.
Trustee Ramos made a motion to close Public Hearing – Comprehensive Plan. Seconded by Trustee
Sebring. All ayes. Motion carried.
Village Manager’s Report
Had a wonderful D.A.R.E. Graduation all Walden Elementary School. Trustee Ramos spoke
to the students at graduation as well as Chief Holmes.
Went over the Sewer Plant inspections.
Went over PBA matters with Special Council.
Worked on audit progress.
We had the Tree Lighting Ceremony. It was wonderful as well.
Went over vehicles. There are a couple new ones coming in soon.
Attended a luncheon with the Historical Society for the Sunshine Society. Wonderful, as
always.
Had a conference with Orange County Economic Development regarding projects around
the area.
Went to the OCATVC holiday Event.
Went over some insurance claims with the Clerk, as well as NYSIF.
Few meetings with the attorney regarding their resolutions, local laws and some attorney -
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client matters.
Had an ice storm. Thankfully, didn't cause any major problems in the Village. We were able
to keep on top of that
Went through FOILS with Village Clerk and Attorney.
Went over some civil service matters. We have a couple positions that need testing coming
up soon.
Had a lovely holiday breakfast for some of the CSEA employees.
Covered for a few Department Heads. Some due to sick, some due to vacation time over the
holidays.
Had a small issue on Ulster Ave from a resident that was handled by a contractor.
Went over the bail reform issues with the Chief again.
We have all our grants in for the Youth Bureau now for the coming year.
Had a nice conference with the new Town Supervisor, regarding some upcoming items. One
in particular is the bridge in the Village that needs work and some annexation discussion.
Approval of Minutes – December 3, 2019 and December 19, 2019 Special Meeting
Trustee Ramos made a motion to approve the December 3, 2019 Minutes. Seconded by Trustee
Sebring. All ayes. Motion carried.
Trustee Ramos made a motion to approve December 19, 2019 Special Meeting Minutes. Seconded
by Trustee Thompson. 4 ayes. 1 absence (Mayor Rumbold). 2 abstentions (Deputy Mayor Moore,
Trustee Svarczkopf). Motion carried.
Trustee’s Committee Reports
Village Offices Liaison – Trustee Svarczkopf
Trustee Svarczkopf: For the Treasurer, we did a cost analysis for the radios. They're working to
finish up audits and update the Edmunds Software. Clerk attended NYCOM Webinar on elections.
She also updated the calendars. A lot of FOIL Requests that she's been working on and updated the
Village website.
Town of Montgomery & Library Board Liaison – Trustee Kraus
Trustee Kraus: Library has a few classes going on. Sign Language Class. Also, they have a Chess
Club. It's been very successful. The Village has a lot of different Faiths. Each Faith has community
leaders to talk about the history. They're going to form a committee for the 2020 Census. People are
going to go into the library to be counted. Will be able to put information into a computer and it's all
private.
Planning and Zoning Boards as well as the Building Department Liaison – Trustee Thompson
Trustee Thompson: The Zoning Board did not meet. The Planning Board meeting was well
attended. There were a lot of topics on the calendar. Falcon Rest was the biggest topic up for
discussion. People on the Planning Board did make a site visit. There's still a lot of back and forth
dialog about the height of the building. So, there's going to be some more revisions and Mr.
Donnelly and Mr. Marshall will present again at the next meeting. I did not meet with Dean. I was
really sick these last two weeks. I spoke with him briefly tonight. There's nothing new to report.
Town of Montgomery has been very interesting. Brian Sebring and I, either we both go or we take
turns going. He has the report because he went to the last one.
Trustee Sebring: For January 2nd. The new Supervisor, Brian Maher, has on his agenda that he is
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going to have a Citizens of the Month every month. You can send in your nominations to him by
email. Only Town Residents are going to be eligible. The Comp Plan and the Moratorium
discussion, 7-9 people on the board, when they do get it going, a letter will be sent to people who
responded for the Comp Plan. People will possibly be appointed at the January 23rd meeting. Work
session, the Town invites previous RFP for the Comp Plan. Like Alan Sorenson. They want to have
a new one to give their presentation, LeBarge. They're focusing on how the committee is set up first
then invite the companies to come in. So, they will have an idea to what they're going to be doing.
Then the accepted company will go from there. They may try to use Orange County to help cut
down on expenses through the Orange County Planning Department. The Comp Plan would like to
have a moratorium put in place as soon as possible, but that's still up for discussion with the Town.
Bernard Bowen, a Village of Walden Trustee in the past, was appointed to the Town Bookkeeper
for $30 an hour for 3-6 months. Only him and one other employee in the accounting department. If
accepted, his hours for the year should not exceed 1080 hours. Ron Feller was put in as Deputy
Supervisor, his stipend will be $2500 a year. The Deputy Registrar for Statistics will be $1500 a
year. The Deputy Clerk and the Town Clerk will be doing that. They set up a task force of the
Attorney for the Town, the Ambulance Corp Attorney and the Ambulance Corp itself, on a
conference call to try to rectify this problem that they have, since nothing has been done in 6
months. The Ambulance Corp has asked for help from the Town. Now, whether or not who isn't
responding to which lawyers, that's to be seen. But they're going to set up a three-way conference
call. Personnel that want to attend an Association of Town Conference in New York City is Dennis
Ketchum. He represents another Town, so the cost for him will be split between Town of
Montgomery and the other town that he works for. Kristen and Brian will go and not to exceed
$1500. All of the appointments for Zoning, CAC, the Planning are being put on hold for 2 weeks.
They have a lot on their plate. As far as all the Town employees, they went through all their wages
and whatnot. The January 6th meeting, that was about Amazon and Sailfish. Stated that the USAA
was the real estate agent for USEF Sailfish on the application for the building Amazon, which was
officially stated as the tenant. The people that spoke were numerous, but Brian Maher stated that the
last Town meeting, the majority of Board Members wanted the IDA not to vote on any tax breaks,
to hold off because of concerns that they have. Mike Anagnostakis suggested that they pay their
taxes like Medline did. Not to have tax breaks as requested. What Amazon would like is $25 million
over 15 years. Which would be about $2.5 million or so per year. If they didn't have that, the Towns
and school and everybody else would benefit really well. Amazon is the biggest company and they
should pay all their taxes like Medline. Michael Sussman talked about the 800 jobs that they would
create is not always correct, because out of that there would be 25 management positions and
automation in warehousing has been mentioned as the biggest moving of products and cuts down on
the amount of people. The wage would be $15 an hour, which is really not enough to support any
family. They did say that they have benefits. Kristen Brown stated that Amazon said they would
deal over the wastewater treatment plant to the Town, but the Town and the Planning Board was
never brought up. Susan Cockburn stated that the wastewater treatment plan is the single most
expensive to the Town. There are many other people supporting the project and many more in favor
of not having it. The IDA will make their mind up on February 14th. Jim Taylor said that Amazon
is good for the businesses around, because it will employ people and not too many companies want
to come to New York because of the high cost of insurance, workman's comp and all that stuff.
They should want them no matter what. Because it is jobs for people. There were quite a few
comments about the other companies on Neelytown Road who can't find workers. They must have
found something here that they wanted to come.
Deputy Mayor Moore: I did notice that the Town of Montgomery is now streaming their meetings
live. I just wanted to add to that. If anyone is looking to join any of the committees, please send a
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letter of interest and your resume Brian Maher's attention.
Police Department and Justice Department Liaison – Deputy Mayor Moore
Deputy Mayor Moore: Met with Chief and talked about a couple of things within the Police
Department. Reviewed fuel and mileage usage and secondary employment.
Recreation & Parks Department and Valley Central School Board Liaison – Trustee Ramos
Trustee Ramos: School Board doesn't have a meeting until next Monday. Met with Mr. Bliss, we
started our strategic planning for the 2020 season, summer camp and discussed possibly Intermural
Volleyball, since that's been an interest on some of the residents here. We may be able to factor that
in. Everybody is doing great. Tree decorations are down. Village is looking great.
DPW Liaison– Trustee Sebring
Trustee Sebring: They had a water main break on an Orange Avenue. Today they had another
water main break on East Avenue by my house. I'd like to give kudos to the Water Department and
the DPW for doing the work that they do because they couldn't fully shut the water main break off.
So, they were fixing it with some pressure coming out of it, which they did a good job working with
their hands in the cold water. Good job. The DPW has been cleaning basins for the MS4 program
report. They've been picking up Christmas trees, flushing hydrants. Had the ice storm and were out
salting. The Water Department went to Montgomery to help them correlate a water leak that they
had. They replaced 22 meters. The mechanic was off sick for a week or so because of the flu.
Deputy Mayor Moore read the community events into the minutes.
Public Comment on Business of the Board
Becky Pearson: 167 Walnut. I want to talk about the annexation. How much tax revenue will the
Village be getting?
Manager Revella: We'll talk about that when the Board discusses this.
Becky Pearson: B4 zoning, you have 4 different parcels that I believe is there now and they all
have different works going on there. There's a car sales place. There's a fuel place. There's a rented
bus company. There are 4 different things. Are you going to combine all those parcels? Or are they
still all going to be what they're listed as what they already are?
Manager Revella: We can talk about it when the Board discusses it.
Deputy Mayor Moore: We're going to be talking about all that in our discussion.
Becky Pearson: You're going to vote on stuff before I come back. So, I want to talk about it now.
Deputy Mayor Moore: I welcome your comments.
Becky Pearson: In your B4 zone, what will it be listed as for the bus company? Whether it's special
exception or is it permitted in that space? I have my use table up and it doesn't say anything about a
bus company can be there. It's not a permitted use. I don't know what you're going to call it. How
many people will they be employing and how many people will be using water and sewer? If you
put any agreement, if and when it ever sells and the project hasn't started yet, because you're giving
up to 2 years to have it start. I don't understand why it's 2 years. You're giving up to 2 years to start
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the project. In those 2 years, if somebody else purchased the property, does this annexation roll over
and all this goes to that person's purchasing? Is that in here? Who is the agreement with? It sounds
like it's with the owner, but it just states an LLC. You talked about contaminated soils; I know you
asked for that report. It's not listed in here if you got it or not. Page 3 of 5. You talk about existing
site plan is approved, is there a site plan? Have you seen it? Where is the site plan? No automatic
merger, I would like a clarification of what that means? Contract radios. You talked about a 15-year
contract with the radios. It doesn't list in there for 15 years. I just read that quickly, too. But I know
there was a major discussion about signing something for 15 years. That is a very long time for new
technology that comes up. We are paying for stuff that we've already paid for once and now we're
paying for it again. Policy on setting agenda. I do believe that board members could be and should
be able to put something on the agenda. I don't believe it's wrong to have 2, because in my mind, the
mayor sets the agenda and it was always that way. I don't know where the manager sets the agenda
with the help of the mayor. That's up to you guys to decide.
Mary Ellen Matise: 54 Gladstone, Is Amthor up for vote tonight?
Manager Revella: We either vote tonight or it's automatically granted.
Mary Ellen Matise: I just hope that we become better with enforcement than the Town. To let
them park buses on tar paper and rock is ridiculous without proper drainage being done. The
Climate Smart Community, Tin Brook Watershed Alliance going on, these are things we need to
focus on better. The guy with the cars. The Town has a 13-foot setback from the right of way, from
the shoulder. That guy is parked right up to them. The never enforces their own codes. I just hope
that it gets better, because it is the entrance to our Village. Setting items on the agenda. I think other
people can set items, too. I don't know if in our Village Law, if there is any specific language. Did
you find any specific language in the old Village Law?
Manager Revella: No.
Mary Ellen Matise: I was always under the impression that it was any 2 Trustees and they can
approach the manager and then the manager meets with the Mayor. And if it's an item that really
needs to move forward, then hopefully the Mayor will hear what the manager has to say. I don't
understand this thing about if the Mayor and Trustees utilize Village funds for events. Citizens
come to Trustees who they know and friendly with. So, why shouldn't 2 Trustees be able to come to
the board put an item on the agenda?
Action Items
Resolution 14-19-20 - Contract County Radios
Chief Holmes: I'm here to discuss some of the questions that you had at the board meeting
previously. Just a quick overview. On December 11th, myself, Manager Revella and Trustee Ramos
did speak on a conference call to Craig Sherry, to discuss some of this. What we have right now, we
have an inner system radio. We have 508 & 956 radios. The inner system is the MRD system. That
has been around since the 60s and 70s. But that's where the interoperability first started. The key to
what we're talking about here is interoperability. We will now be able to talk to other agencies
around us, which we don't have the capabilities of right now. We also have the 800 system. In our
patrol cars, we have a high-band radio and we have an 800 radio. The officers carry a portable that
has high-band. The 508 we have been using historically for DPW and as a backup for ourselves.
They also carry a second radio. It will be the 800 system. The 800 system is primarily used when
we talk to other agencies, where we talk to 911. That was started almost 15, 20 years ago. The
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question has come now from police agency, fire agencies as well as ambulances, that we can't talk
to each other during a major event. Each one of us our own frequency, our own radio system. You
throw into that mix, state police. They have a different system that they talk state-wide on, as well
as the sheriff's department. When the sheriff's department vehicle comes in here, they can go to the
inner system. When we do get 911 calls, we have to be able to multiplex that to all the agencies
around us, which the dispatcher has to do downstairs. The whole idea of this system that we're
talking about has been taking a few years to get to. The system that we're talking about is in the 700
system. The 700 system, there was a question, why not the 900? The 700 system has been the
federal emergency first responder system that they want us to use. Now we get into the idea of what
we're going to be replacing. We'll replacing at our station. There's going to be 2 base stations
because we have 2 seats downstairs. We're going to get mobiles that are going to go in patrol
vehicles. We're going to get 19 portables. The handheld radios. We are breaking the county down
into zones, 3 zones. So, when we do use our radio system, we are going to get a little talk around,
going to get a major and then we're going to backup as well as an emergency talk around. We won't
hear like we do on the 800 system, what's happening in Port Jervis, in the City of Newburgh. We'll
have our own zones that are going to be used that you officers can switch to. That's all going to be a
work in progress. It's part of our plan. The interoperability system of 700, we now will be down to 1
mobile in the car and the officers will be carrying 1 portable. Dispatchers now will have the 2
desktops. Now, we are going to be able to on a major event, especially if we have something major
here, we will be able to go to our own tactical station, our own emergency frequency. The same
thing could and is supposed to happen with the fire services. Say we have a major fire, police,
ambulance and fire are all involved. We now will have our own tactical. Any agencies coming in
will have to operate on that and we'll be able to talk to any agencies coming in also. We start getting
into the questions of the 15-year contract. I can't give you an answer. It's a lawyer question. But
talking to Craig, 1 of the reasons why he thinks 15 years was picked is because we don't want an
agency getting the equipment and not using them. Why 15 years? I can't give an answer. They
invested quite a bit, about $30 million. They just don't want the system be put in someone's closet.
We're giving you this equipment and we want you to use it. If you're not going to use it, give it
back. Equipment can last a long time. Mobiles can last a long time. Base stations can last a long
time. As long as we don't get hit with lightning, pour coffee into it. Portables are what we need to be
worried about. Dropping them, leaving them on top of a car, leaving it somewhere, etc. Those
things are going to happen. But also, the wear and tear. Our plan is to decide for full time officers to
have their own portable. Like we do now. Then we'll have 5 portables that will be used by our part
time officers. The length of time on the warranty. The portables are going to have a 5-year
warranty. The warranties on everything, start January 1st, 2020. Regardless of the time we get them.
We're supposed to be getting them some time in in February, possibly early March. But January 1st
by the manufacturer, Motorola. The other radios, the mobiles and base stations are 3 years. There is
cost for warranties after that, which I do have. This is a cost that has been put out not officially by
an RFP, but what they're offering to Village of Walden is going to have the same warranty as Port
Jervis. I believe it's under the national bid system. Which we can use, the way I understand it,
through accounting. The costs for them, there are 2 costs for our portables, depending on which
system we have. There's going to be 2 service agreements. 1 service agreement where the local
devices combine picking up and delivery to your station. The other 1 is where you take it out and
mail it to Motorola. Our portables would be $78 each. Base stations $78. and so will the mobiles.
That would run $2,184. Then the cost for pick up takeout delivery would be $198. You're talking
about $5500 as compared to that.
Trustee Svarczkopf: Is there any other difference other than it includes shipping and being taken
out of their car?
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Chief Holmes: There are some things like antennas, but they can replace those as they go bad. That
would part of the service agreement. I'd have to look at it in more detail, but this is what I got from
Orange County.
Attorney Donovan: The resolution to the board, indicated that the county said the value of the
equipment was $102k and change. That's not accurate?
Chief Holmes: No. As we were discussing this, I noticed that they switched things. They put 24
portables and 6 mobiles. We have 7 vehicles. They adjusted that. On December 17th, we've got the
new contract and it says $87,767. That's for the equipment. There are other costs that the county is
paying for. My suggestion is to sign it. If we don't sign it, we will still have to have a radio system
and we'll have to continue our lease. I know the Treasurer did a lot of work putting together the cost
analysis and there are some extension costs. There are some substantial costs. We tried to guess
what would be damaged over the next 5-10 years out. I based that upon my years of service here on
what's happened to some equipment.
Deputy Mayor Moore: For the record, how many years have you been here?
Chief Holmes: 38 years.
Attorney Donovan: How many other municipalities have signed on to the 15 year?
Chief Holmes: I think in December there were 12. There are 32 police agencies, that doesn't count
state police agencies. One thing I did find out recently, I don't believe a MOA has been sent to the
fire service yet.
Attorney Donovan: If the Village elected not to sign this contract and continue to lease on our
own, would we be the same frequency?
Chief Holmes: No. We would be an island by ourselves. We will not have the capability. The 800
system would be going out. We may still be able to talk on the MRD for some departments that are
continuing to have a backup system. Now, one of the good things that is coming out of this is the
other agencies that have said that they've been forgotten things like DPW's. Private industry,
especially utility company, are going to have the opportunity now to jump in. That's the next phase.
When that happens, then you'll have a full interoperability being able to have all of us talk together.
Trustee Sebring: How would you communicate? Just say if we took on that and you don't know
when the utilities would be hooked in.
Chief Holmes: We don't talk to them now. We can talk to our DPW only because we've got the
capability with our system.
Trustee Svarczkopf: One warranty is $198 per year per mobile and base.
Chief Holmes: Yes.
Trustee Svarczkopf: And the other is $78?
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Chief Holmes: Yes, $78.
Trustee Svarczkopf: How often do we do we get new equipment now?
Chief Holmes: Depending on how the equipment is going and new technology. At one time, we
were getting new equipment every 5 to 6 years.
Manager Revella: When was the last time you replaced your radio?
Chief Holmes: 8 years ago.
Trustee Svarczkopf: How many repairs have we had in the last 10 years on the radios? Covered or
not.
Chief Holmes: I would say on portables, things like antennas and knobs, I would say per year,
probably on portables, about 3 per year. Mobiles, maybe 1 a year. Our mechanic is able to do some
things. Usually the things that are affecting our radios are fuses and the electrical system. That's
what effects it. Sometimes we're able to handle that in-house. The base stations, we've had some
problems with base stations. I would say during any given year, NYCOMCO, depending on what
happens with weather, what happens at our repeater, as well as the generator that runs the repeater
up there. Probably in a year, NYCOMCO comes here for base station about 7-8 times. We have
antennas on the roof. We have the system in the attic. If we have a power outage. It kicks off
something. The other thing is we only have 2 towers that we're currently working off of. The new
system has 5 towers. With these 5 towers, there should be no issue anymore for dead space. Mount
Hope has the system and it's working very well. Town of Highland said that they can hear a lot.
Trustee Svarczkopf: Let's say, after 5 years we decided to replace all of our radios, when we
purchased them again, do we begin a new warranty?
Manager Revella: New warranty.
Chief Holmes: Say after the 5th year, we have the county's equipment and it no longer works. It
becomes our piece of equipment and we have to replace it. Everything starts new again. But you can
also pay for extended warranties at the time of purchase.
Trustee Svarczkopf: Essentially over the 15 years, we would spend $38k on warranties for
portables. If we bought portables every 5 years, that cost goes away?
Chief Holmes: It depends on what you want. Sometimes they'll offer you 1 year, 2 year and a 5-
year extended warranty.
Trustee Svarczkopf: When I worked out the numbers on the equipment, I had $79,627. I'm not
sure where you got your number.
Chief Holmes: I'm not sure. I do have a sheet for what the costs were for the Village of Walden,
which I can show you later.
Trustee Thompson: My concern was that 15 years. That just sounds like an outrageously long time
for electronics.
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Chief Holmes: This is the system that we're going to be operating with. It's the 700 system. It's not
going to go away now. I can't see them within the next 10 years, because it's taken them this long to
get the 700 system, to move to something else. The 900 system. I'm not sure what the history and
what that'll be. Either way, we've already been using the 800 hundred over 15 years.
Trustee Svarczkopf: What I like about it is as more and more people sign under, we're all on the
same boat. At least we can deal with them as a whole.
Chief Holmes: The bottom line is we're going to be in the same boat. There is no other system for
us to go to.
Trustee Sebring: How many maintenance companies will they have?
Chief Holmes: It's Motorola. There are 2 Motorola Companies right now. Which we have contracts
with both.
Trustee Sebring: How many technicians are they going to have to be able to service?
Manager Revella: Those are the same ones that serve everybody now.
Trustee Sebring: They're pretty responsive when you have problems.
Chief Holmes: I have not had a problem. Let me just say that.
Trustee Thompson: So, you have no reservations about this.
Chief Holmes: I'm ready to go. Most all Chiefs are. The questions that you're asking are things that
I can't answer from the legal side. None of that was run by us before, anyhow. That went to the
county attorneys when they wrote this. The things that we are going to be working on is are there
channels that we're going to be assigned. It's going to be a work in progress. We'll have to learn how
to do those things and how we break up the zones.
Trustee Sebring: What's going to happen when you retire?
Chief Holmes: The officers that you have now, it's not going to be an issue.
Trustee Svarczkopf: I don't see a choice as to whether to sign the contract. I think that when it
comes down to the budget season, the first 3 years are free. So, why not save the money? I know
that we can't put things that in a line that specifically said that we're not planning on spending, but
why not save over 5 years, so that after 5 years we have enough to replace all radios.
Manager Revella: You could, it's called the Reserve Fund. Just have to be careful because it can
only be used for that.
Trustee Svarczkopf: I think we need to look at our options there, because after 5 years, I think we
should start looking at replacing them. As far as signing the contract, I'm okay with that.
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Trustee Kraus: I'm on board with signing the contract.
Trustee Thompson: I don't see us having much of a choice. I still am not happy that it's for 15
years, but I think we have to do what we have to do.
Trustee Ramos: I was kind of apprehensive about the 15-year contract, but after talking with past
Chief Cherry of Orange County, he pretty much laid everything to rest. Obviously, like the Chief
said, you can't predict what's going to happen 5 years from now. But in all reality, we should have
been on our 3rd cycle of the 15 year with these radio systems. I can remember back in my day
where I could be sitting the traffic stop at Bank St and the Village of Walden be on Orchard St
watching me and I couldn't talk to him on the radio. I couldn't talk to the City of Middletown. The
State Police had their own GE, old fashioned 1950s radio. We couldn't communicate to outside
agencies unless we hit the emergency button. And even our emergency button didn't communicate
to the agencies that are around us. Chief called it interoperability; I call it intercommunications. The
theory of something catastrophic happening in our Village and not being able to communicate that
word to word to another agency in another car that's 5 miles down the street to get to you, is a
travesty. When an officer needs backup, he doesn't care if you're wearing green, blue, purple, pink.
If you're coming to help me, I want you to know that in a matter of minutes, I can hear you. I
worked on the thruway for 14 years, my backup was 20 miles away. When you're sitting there
fighting with someone on the side of the road, you're pulling all the stops and with this radio
system, it should've been done years ago. With the 15 years, I think is an investment. Our public
safety is when you can switch over to a channel in the event that something is happening, like a
house fire, you can talk to a Fire, EMS, Deputy Sheriff, State Police, another township around you.
You can all jump on the 1 channel and listen for what's going on, you can better serve. If you hear
the ambulance is going to have a hard time coming down 17k, there could be a car 15 minutes away
blocking traffic so the ambulance can get through. This is a win situation for public safety, for law
enforcement and fire. Radio systems are getting antiquated. I think us buying into the 5-year
warranty, it takes a lot to break a radio. This is a win-win for us. We have to look at the year 2040,
2050 and I'm all for it. There's going to be some bumps, but I think the powers that be in Orange
County and all of the Chief's Associations are not going to leave us dangling with an inoperable
system.
Trustee Sebring: I think that we need this system, too. Our system here has been around many,
many years, as Jeff stated. It does come to a point in time where you have to be able to
communicate with all outside agencies. For every instance, we have had our catastrophes here in
Walden and we got through them. But with this system, it will help us tremendously. The warranty
and whatnot. We can get around that. The County's 911 system has been in an operation for quite a
while. They've had their ups and downs. They're not going to leave us high and dry because you've
got too many people, too many municipalities, all in the same boat. So, if things happen, it will get
resolved one way or another quickly. It will be a cost savings to us in our budget, hopefully. There's
going to be some outlay in the beginning, which is fine. I'm in favor of this system.
Deputy Mayor Moore: With making the change on the resolution that was presented to us up to
dollar amount
Trustee Ramos made a motion to approve Resolution 14-19-20 – County Contract Radios.
Seconded by Trustee Sebring. All ayes. Motion carried.
Dispatching
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Chief Holmes: My official feeling is that 911 is not going to provide the service that our dispatch
does. I'm not naive enough to think that there are costs to that. You heard what they said with what
they could cover and what they could do for us. Right now, the way our Village is set up, roughly
depending on the year, anywhere between 15-25% are walk-in complaints here. We are centrally
located; someone has to be here. If you use that phone outside, they're going to call 911. 911 will
call our officer. The officer will come in and handle it. Right now, we have a dispatcher that's able
to handle all of that. To weed through any of the issues. At the same time, there's a lot of
assignments. I have a list of everything that our dispatchers do. Yes, they do a lot of clerical work.
They also do a lot of paperwork for our County Attorney's office, our District Attorney's office.
When we do have an arrest, they are monitoring the person inside the cell. Obviously, we don't go
past their training, but if there is someone that has other issues. They're not going to do those things.
If we have someone that's violent, they're not going to do those things. They are monitoring is
someone in the holding area. If we don't have those dispatchers, an officer will have to sit in there
and that means taking an officer off the road. And possibly calling another officer in. There are
costs again. I can go through the lengthy list of all of the work that our dispatchers do. What is
dependent upon when the Village Office is closed? When we have things like snow problems and
we have electrical problems. Building issues. Our dispatchers are there to handle and to call the
right people. We have someone down there that can handle knowing where to put things in the
Village, knowing where to send our officers, knowing what to do. I think we have to seriously think
about all the services that 911 will not be able to do that we do right now. I think you heard them
say that they are not going to provide the same services that you as a Village provide.
Trustee Thompson: Those gentlemen discussed combining service from the county and keeping
service that we already have, but perhaps cutting some hours.
Chief Holmes: I think what they were trying to say is that they can't piecemeal it here. We can't just
have them do the weekends. If they're going to do it, it's got to be a full shift, 7 days a week.
Trustee Svarczkopf: They said that they can take the 3rd shift, night shift.
Chief Holmes: Yes, but for 7 days.
Trustee Thompson: What is your thought about combining service with them?
Chief Holmes: I think you're still going to have the same things that are going to happen again.
Obviously, the point you're talking about is the midnight shift. There are things that the midnight
shift, clerical things they do that will have to be pushed off to someone else. I think there is a
comfort level having a dispatcher downstairs. There's a comfort level for the police officers on duty.
I would say, with the 38 years that I have, the busiest times, is from about midnight to 2:30am. Then
it starts all over again, about 4:30 to 8a.m. So, you have a couple hours in there where most normal
things don't happen. Again, weather related issues. We are not going to be able to do what we do
now. You're not going to be able to call 911, call for a tow. You are going to probably still have to
have someone come in to do those things. Otherwise, we will get to the cars when we get to them,
which I know the DPW would not be able to do since they're cleaning off the streets the way they
do it now. We also have something happening right now. The Bail Reform. Which is still going to
be a work in progress, still going to be an issue for us. Our discovery has been kicked out to 15
days. That means everything. That means every camera that I have out there. If I drove to your
house to arrest you, every camera has to be downloaded and sent to Discovery. Even though I had
nothing to do with the case. Who's going to do those things? Right now, we have a plan in place that
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we are going to do those things.
Trustee Sebring: Hypothetically, if we were to have 911 to do midnight to 8am, is there enough
work to keep a secretary?
Chief Holmes: The reason why we have the midnight dispatcher doing some things that we can do
during the day, because of the day shift, just with people calling and walking in are busy. The 4-12
shift gets the busy shift and that dispatcher only gets assigned certain things. We depend on the B
line dispatcher and the A line dispatcher. I would say, yes. There's always going to be enough work,
but we'll probably need to have that dispatcher work another shift. All 3 supervisors downstairs
have the training and I have the confidence that they know what to do.
Deputy Mayor Moore: I thought that it was very important before we made any decisions to
continue having this conversation that I didn't want to meet any of those types of decisions without
having all the facts that we were able to gather those facts during the course of this year.
Trustee Svarczkopf: He said 15-25% of the police calls are walk ins, I'd like to know what time of
day those are. If most of the walk ins happen in the second shift between 4-12, I don't see a reason
to have someone there from 12-8. He has a lot of reasons. I'd love to know about that time. Just to
refresh, when it comes to budget season about the total cost of dispatch. I never saw those numbers
last year.
Trustee Ramos: I haven't seen them, but is there a blotter that they do?
Manager Revella: Yes.
Trustee Ramos: The blotter entries for that particular times would be a useful piece of information
also.
Resolution 12-19-20 – Amthor Annexation
Manager Revella: The assessor has rated the land with a certain value, that times our tax rates are
what the taxes would be due. The tax parcels will stay with tax parcels, they're not changing tax ID
numbers that I am aware of yet. They can always merge in the future, but they haven't talked about
that yet.
Attorney Donovan: So, relative to the merger provision, if a property owner wanted to merge, they
can. The reason for the language that this doesn't constitute a merger in the agreement is not
automatic. There is a concept in the law, that if you have non-conforming laws, they're too small.
They adjoin under common ownership that they may at some point and time merge and become one
parcel. This agreement is saying that that's not going to happen.
Manager Revella: The agreement is binding on the property. Not necessarily the owner. We did
see a report on soil testing saying everything seemed ok. Site plan is for the future. There's no
current application for the Village. It's not in the Village, yet. Once it is, anything that would
happen, would need a site plan.
Attorney Donovan: The time period it referred to, there was a question, we had a committee that
had met on this, it was for tie into water and sewer. Within 12 month and then they could request an
additional 12-month extension. And if they hadn't tied in, there is a per diem penalty of $5k a day.
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Trustee Thompson: I recall that, but I just read through these 2 more times and I can't see what
you referred to as 2 years.
Attorney Donovan: It's 12 months with a 12-month extension.
Trustee Svarczkopf: So, we're giving them a year and then we can or cannot grant them an
extension?
Attorney Donovan: 1 of the things that was important was they that they tie in and they pay water
and sewer charges.
Trustee Svarczkopf: Would they have to come to us for that extension?
Manager Revella: Yes.
Trustee Ramos: Then it would be our decision whether or not to grant them the extension or fine
them. They have to show some form of due diligence.
Deputy Mayor Moore: If during the initial year, they don't do anything. Then it sells. The new
owners would get this? And then ask for another 12 months?
Attorney Donovan: This agreement runs with the land. It's not specific to a specific property.
John Cappello: We asked for that additional language, because is if this is part of an application
and there is a new user and part of the site plan review, it takes time for your Planning Board to
review it. So, to commit that this is going to be installed in a year, if your Planning Board is
reviewing it to determine what the appropriate size of pipe is. This is a main extension. The
Department of Health at the county level for water, the New York State DEC for the sewer main
extension may be involved. While a year or 2 years may seem a long time, in the land use approval
process, it's a blink of an eye.
Trustee Svarczkopf: It says an additional 12 months, so if 12 months down the road and they
finally got approval for a site plan, can we say, it starts now and it's 8 or 7 months or is that the
language for 12 only?
Attorney Donovan: It depends. If an amendment to this agreement was negotiated, then the answer
is yes. Parties can come to an agreement to modify it.
Trustee Svarczkopf: She said the B4 Zone doesn't list buses. What would the bus be listed as?
Attorney Donovan: If I'm reading this correctly, is that it's a permitted use. That's the purpose of
this agreement.
Trustee Svarczkopf: She had also asked about how many employees.
Manager Revella: There was something about the Town guiding and guarding the site. We have no
control over it until it's part of the Village. Obviously, we'll do our due diligence and take efforts to
patrol the property.
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Becky Pearson: What about #9? Says existing site plan. You said there is none.
John Cappello: It's called a site plan in the agreement just to acknowledge that the net and the
usage and what is there now is approved. That it doesn't need any more approvals from the Village
of Walden, unless it changes and more buses are added or the use change and then it'll go through
the Planning Board. That the layout is as it stands.
Deputy Mayor Moore: My only question is regarding #2 and #3 subsections under the
acknowledgment, just regarding the Auto Sales lot and the repair garage. Once this is done and they
are officially properties within the Village of Walden, they must adhere by our codes.
Manager Revella: Correct.
Deputy Mayor Moore: Then there would have to make changes as far as the way they operate
now, to the way they would be operating under our code?
Attorney Donovan: This agreement says they come in as permitted uses. Are you indicating that
something in our code would not permit what is occurring now, because this agreement says that
they're allowed?
Deputy Mayor Moore: Let's just say that our code says they only are allowed to have a certain
number of cars for sale at any particular time. Are we allowing them to come in under the number
that's under the Town? Or once they come in for a permitted use they have to abide by our code?
Attorney Donovan: What we're saying now, is what is there now, is what is permitted.
Trustee Svarczkopf: Do we have set back?
Manager Revella: Absolutely.
Trustee Svarczkopf: Then with its permitted use, but they still need to follow our codes within that
use?
Attorney Donovan: I don't know the answer to the question as to whether or not the setback is the
same or different from what we have now. But this agreement says that these are coming as
permitted uses and they're conforming to our code. I want to be clear as I can on this. If they have
20 cars, as an example. And our code says 15, they're coming in permitted for 20.
Manager Revella: If they're coming in with a 13-foot set back, it's 13 feet. Even if ours says 10.
Attorney Donovan: Pursuant to this agreement.
Deputy Mayor Moore: Then it's up to us. We can patrol and enforce it.
John Cappello: These uses are historically uses in the Town that have been determined to be
preexisting nonconforming uses. So, they are coming in to you as preexisting nonconforming uses
as they exist. If they change and extended more, then that's your purview. If they change the use,
they have to go back to the Planning Board like any other properties. What I would reiterate to the
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Board is the different uses, in different lots and different sizes, but providing water and sewer, there
is a large portion of this law that is not usable, because it's septic and there is a separation from the
well. The installation of water and sewer is for the exact purpose of now giving more flexibility in
designing for future uses that you can use that property that was septic system and hopefully you
wouldn't have to go right up to property lines. It facilitates making his property nicer by being able
to use that area.
Attorney Donovan: We are saying that these are proper uses and that they are legal uses. They are
going to be in the Village. That's what an annexation is all about. Then they have to follow the
Village Code. Pursuant to this agreement, what's there now, we are saying is legal. If there's a
modification in the future, they don't follow the Town Code, they follow the Village Code.
John Cappello: I agree that if there is a modification, it's just like if a property existed in the
Village and the zoning law changed or there's a new zoning law. They are entitled to continue to
operate, but if they do anything new that can come in, comply with the zoning law as it exists.
Trustee Ramos made a motion to approve Resolution 12-19-20 – Amthor Annexation. Seconded by
Trustee Thompson. All ayes. Motion carried.
Discussion – Policy for Setting Items on Agenda
Deputy Mayor Moore: It had been suggested by the Village Attorney to have a conversation
regarding policy procedures set forth for setting stuff on the agenda. I mentioned at the last meeting
that I would put some stuff together for the board to review. The Village Manager and I talked
about the agenda being created by the Manager with input from the Mayor. Anything requested to
be on the agenda would need to be brought up by a minimum of 2 Trustees to the Manager and the
Mayor. If the Mayor or any of the Trustees utilize Village funds for an event. Such as we go to
something that the Village is paying for us and we do not show up nor do we not stay, it is our
responsibility to find someone to take our place or we would owe the money back to the Village for
that cost. We also put on here to discuss was about how the Board feels about all fees being paid by
any applicant before getting referred between Village Boards. Also, to consider a conversation
regarding any time restraints or restrictions on Public Comment. Whatever the limit, it would be all
or nothing.
Trustee Svarczkopf: I agree that the Mayor should make the agenda with input from the Manager.
Manager Revella: The only problem with it is the Mayor doesn't do the daily operations. They
wouldn't know what to put on the agenda necessarily unless I got that to them. That's why I create it
and they say yes or no.
Trustee Svarczkopf: Right. You need to bring that to her, because the meeting is ours. I agree with
that small, weird switch there, but I think the agenda is the Mayor's and the Manager can bring all of
those things to the Mayor and then the Mayor can decide on it.
Manager Revella: That's what I'm doing. I'm drafting the agenda. Then the Mayor says yes or no
and brings it to you.
Deputy Mayor Moore: Unless we change the word from input to approval.
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Trustee Svarczkopf: I almost want to say that there should be a time constraint the 2 Trustees
adding item to the agenda. Like 3 days before the meeting.
Trustee Ramos: Unless there are some exigent circumstances.
Deputy Mayor Moore: Mayor and Trustees utilizing Village funds for events.
Trustee Thompson: Does it have to be just Mayor and Trustees?
Manager Revella: No, it's open.
Trustee Thompson: I think if any of the taxpayers are paying for any event for anybody who is an
officer or an employee of this Village, you have a responsibility to go to the thing you signed up for.
Manager Revella: I push that with the employees already.
Trustee Svarczkopf: So, we have an employee we want to send to a NYCOM Conference. A
parent dies, super sick. I don't want them to shell out a thousand dollars because a parent died or
something like that. I think it's has to be at the discretion of someone, but because we are imposing
ourselves it can't be at the discretion of the Board.
Trustee Thompson: It can be at the discretion of the Manager. There are extenuating
circumstances that we can't control. But for the most part, I just think that we shouldn't be wasting
taxpayer money.
Deputy Mayor Moore: I'm fine with that.
Trustee Thompson: Having all fees paid, I'd like to know what the legality of that.
Deputy Mayor Moore: All fees must be paid for by an applicant before being referred between
Village Boards and placed on the agenda.
Trustee Svarczkopf: What if there is a 30-day time line for them to put it back and then decide not
to pay.
Attorney Donovan: Let me look into that.
Deputy Mayor Moore: Do we want to consider a time constraint for Public Comment?
Trustee Thompson: I think it depends on the topic and the number of people that come out to take
the time at a meeting to express their concerns.
Deputy Mayor Moore: I spoke to the Attorney to see if this was something that we could do, it's
either all or nothing. We cannot decide tonight, I'm going to put 5 minutes and not do it tomorrow.
Attorney Donovan: Potentially, you could do it different for a Public Hearing and Public
Comment. So long as they were uniform. What I don't want to get involved in is a situation where
you decide because it's whatever date and you've got something to do, you're going to limit it to 2
minutes for every other speaker or something random.
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Trustee Thompson: I was talking about if we had a hot topic with residents in the Village and 50
people showed up for a meeting, everybody wanted to speak, we could be here all night. I don't
think that's unreasonable. But I get what you're saying.
Attorney Donovan: I always feel better when you have something in place, instead of doing it ad
hoc at the last minute. I understand the reason for it, but if you have a rule and you say for Public
Comment, it's X minutes and for Public Hearings, it's Y minutes, it could be the same, could be
different. So long as by category of public input, if you want to put a time limit, you don't have to,
but I just think you need to be uniform. It's just the better way.
Manager Revella: I think if you have some of the situations like that where you have 30 people
coming, set a Public Hearing. Then you can have a different time constraint. That's always possible.
Trustee Svarczkopf: I'm torn. Part of me wants to sit and listen when people are here. The other
part says, if someone is going on for 15 or 30 minutes, maybe if we do set a time constraint, it's a
long one.
Trustee Kraus: I say 3-5 minutes.
Trustee Thompson: Will we run into any issues where people are going to claim we're violating
their First Amendment rights by silencing them?
Attorney Donovan: The interesting thing is that you're required to have an open meeting. You're
not required to have Public Comment except at Public Hearing. Your First Amendment right, if you
say to someone you can't talk about subject X, Y or Z, you can't criticize the Village of Walden or
the Village Board. That's a problem. But you can impose a time limit. You don't have to. As part of
your meeting, you do not have to allow Public Comment.
Manager Revella: I think it's important, if that's how you feel, to not have it for Public Hearings,
because you never know what will be talked about. But then have it for Public Comment. And those
people that want to make Public Comment can always do so in writing without limit.
Attorney Donovan: And this stuff should get revisited periodically. If you feel like it's not
working. You can always change this and you should revisit it.
Trustee Ramos: I agree with time limitations and 3-5 minutes. The School Board allows you 4
minutes. It's worked effectively.
Trustee Sebring: I'm inclined for the 3-5 minutes. But if you're going to get into repetitive answers
and questions and statements, then that should be cut off. If you got something new, 3-5 minutes.
Deputy Mayor Moore: Personally, I am inclined for 5 minutes.
Becky Pearson: My opinion, you're elected by the people to sit and listen. You're here for the
people.
Deputy Mayor Moore: What I'm hearing from the Board is that we're in agreement for a 5-minute
Public Comment time period would be fair. John will redraft this after we get the answer from our
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friendly Attorney on #4 and send it back out to everyone for the next meeting.
Attorney Donovan: You would have something a little more formal than this want and then you
would you would adopt it. Probably a good idea, I'm not saying wait until then, but to readopted
every year at your reorg meeting. If I can be so bold as to make one other comment, Public
Hearings and Public Comments are not for the people standing in front of you to get their questions
answered. It's to assist the Board and understanding issues that the public and to assist you in your
decision. If you have a couple of people asking questions, devoting time to answering those
questions at the meeting. Not saying they shouldn't be answered, but at the meeting, tends to be a
less productive use of the time since you represent the entire Village. Understanding what issues are
important to people who come to meetings is important because it helps you in your deliberations.
Remember, the Board is the people that vote.
Resolution 11-19-20 - Comprehensive Plan
Manager Revella: I just want to touch on some of the comments that were raised today. The
information that was in those reports that were discussed on pages 60 and 61, were from the Chief
and department records. I'm not sure what day they actually received the information since we
started the discussion the second time, which was over a year ago. I understand there's a question
about the membership numbers in the Fire Department. This page is not active members, it's just
members. Maybe there is a misconception regarding inactive. It could include the Auxiliary. I'm not
sure. But I will confirm those numbers. That's true regarding police protection. The calls of service
changed, because there is a change in how they're reported. That's not just from us, it's other
departments as well. We've been working with the Town, trying to get Wellhead Protection. You
mentioned something about the uninhabited lands in the cemetery. That's land the Village sold to
the cemetery years ago. That land doesn't attribute to that aquifer. The land that is around our land is
the one more concerning to us. Its owned partially by Central Hudson and other private entities.
We're just trying to make sure the zoning in that area. Regarding East Main St sidewalks, I obtained
a grant after the last Comp Plan to redo that sidewalk for the full price that our engineers told us we
would need and we went to the State and the State said no. That we have to do it a different way. It
was 5 times the cost. So, we couldn't do it. It was over a million dollars just for that small stretch.
We actually moved the grant to Maple and Walnut St. And the conditions that are there now on East
Main Street are the State’s responsibility. The State has sent engineers out to do that project. They
told us that they would be here in the spring to fix that. We have discussed a lot of these items. I'm
actually on the Transportation Council and the long-range plan hasn't been adopted yet. Actually,
going to meet on the 21st to go over that again to talk about bus and shuttle service. The county is
on a program where they're doing interoperable for multi-mobile transportation, taxis, buses, trains
and a program that actually show you if you use their app, how to get from point A to point B
anywhere in the County. They're working out the kinks now to try and make sure that helps all the
residents in the county. Regarding the maps in the plan, the ones that we have in our hard copy are
pretty good quality. We'll try to fix the scanned version on-line. The bypass, the Board did pass a
truck route law. Trucks are only supposed to use certain routes. We can't do anything about State
roads. We can't touch that. We're not allowed. We're trying to get to redo the truck route that went
down to Grant. They said they won't because they don't want to pay to maintain it. Any other roads
the trucks go on, it's illegal. Obviously, we'll have 2 officers per shift, so we try to monitor as well
as we can. We do get shared services from time to time. I was actually on the Shared Services
Committee for the County. That's how we got the radio shared service. We get a reimbursement
from the State for being a part of the radio shared service as well. We talked about probably 50 or
60 different things that we could do for shared services. The board discussed those. The County
only implemented this first one. We do share other things with the Town of Shawangunk, Town of
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Montgomery and surrounding Villages. We'll continue to try and do that as often as we can. We
have had a couple of questions on a few of the technical plans. Most of them are immediate or short
term. Just really depends on funding. We're trying to try to get funding for as many as we can as
frequently as we can. We try to work on them as well as we can. We have made progress on a lot of
them.
Trustee Svarczkopf: Want to thank you for coming out and doing research. I also want to thank
the people on the Comp Plan. I've been here for 2 years and I'm not sure that's long enough to make
this statement, but I don't know if we spent enough time. If there are more things that are immediate
and short term, we have 24 meetings in the year. Maybe we should be talking about updates.
Trustee Ramos: Just wanted to say that we did put in a lot of time in. Thank you to the Ladies and
Gentlemen that are sitting here those evenings. The Comp Plan is a living and breathing document.
If we see any time during the year that there's a need to correct it or facilitate an action. We'll do our
due diligence up here on the Board to address it. This is a dream machine. Some of the things are
DOT and DEC control. I think we're doing our 100% best to address some of the issues and I think
it's a solid document and we can work on it. There are other municipalities that haven't addressed
this in years.
Trustee Ramos made a motion to approve Resolution 11-19-20 – Comprehensive Plan. Seconded by
Trustee Sebring. All ayes. Motion carried.
Resolution 9-19-20 – Designating Place and Time of Annual Election
Trustee Ramos made a motion to approve Resolution 9-19-20 – Designating Place and Time of
Annual Elections. Wednesday, March 18, 2020. 8am-9pm on the 3rd Floor of Village Hall.
Seconded by Trustee Sebring. All ayes. Motion carried.
Resolution 10-19-20 - Budget Adjustments
Manager Revella: The $75k is to cover DEC mandated jobs that we have to do. It was a sewer
siphon part of the DEC Consent Order. There's flow monitoring and some planning for the Tin
Brook Pup Station as well. We have to pay for that and as well as bugs. To reduce the ammonia
outflow, that's now required. The water money is because one of the pumps broke one of the walls.
We had to fix it. So, it's emergency repair. Ramos and Lynn
Trustee Ramos made a motion to approve Resolution 10-19-20 – Budget Adjustments. Seconded by
Trustee Thompson. All ayes. Motion carried.
Resolution 13-19-20 - Exempt Properties
Manager Revella: There's certain property that the Village owns outside of the Village and because
it's not in the Village, we are not tax exempt unless we pass a resolution, that's also passed by the
county to exempt it. Which is Well #4, 5 and 6 and Well #7 and 8.
Trustee Sebring made a motion to approve Resolution 13-19-20 – Exempt Properties. Seconded by
Trustee Ramos. All ayes. Motion carried.
Public Comment
Becky Pearson: The contract for radios, that is also including Fire and Ambulance?
Manager Revella: Not in our contract. But same radios.
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Becky Pearson: Just for reference, Alan Sorenson's son passed away.
Mary Ellen Matise: I would like to request that the members of the board direct the manager to
write a letter of condolence to Alan Sorenson for the death of his son. He did a lot of work for us.
He's a good friend.
Jerry Mishk: I'm sitting here listening to the discussion on dispatchers. It does present a place of
safety. People do child exchange here. Separated couples can come in to the dispatch, they have
some that's watching their backs and they exchange the children, especially in cases where there is
orders of protection. The other thing is you put a call box out there and there's nobody here on
midnights, you're going to be locking the building. There's going to be no safety for the building. If
there's an issue, somebody is going to have to be called out to come on out. Emergencies,
catastrophic weather-related things. They don't just happen in the Village of Walden. Now if you're
using 911 to call for extra services that you need, you might be waiting in line for those calls to be
made. The dispatcher can make those call. For instance, if you need more police or more DPW
workers, 911 is not going to get those. Most of us have 2 or 3 different numbers. 1 of the things
under the Criminal Justice Reform, the dispatchers are going to be helping, not only with the
discovery issues, but the issue of arraignments. Under the new law, we going to centralized
arraignments. Which means that prisoners are going to have to be taken to Goshen and dropped
there. If I remember correctly, under the PBA contract here, anytime a prisoner leaves, we need two
officers to go. You have to call 2 people in and that calling could take an hour or an hour half. If
they're busy out there, who's going to make those calls? The big one is, that I think, is all too often
people run to a police station for help. Say a violent domestic. They rip the phone off the walls and
the victim can't make the call. So, they run out, gets in the car or runs down the street. And to make
a phone call, the offender is probably going to probably chase them down and assault them right in
front of the building. The last point we spent a lot of money on cameras. Who is going to watch
those cameras? We have a good service here with our dispatchers. If money is the issue, considering
farming out our dispatching services. Montgomery closes down at midnight, offer to do theirs.
Payment of the Audited Bills
Trustee Ramos made a motion to approve payment of audited bills. Seconded by Trustee Sebring.
All ayes. Motion carried.
Correspondence
None
Miscellaneous Comments from the Board of Trustees
Trustee Svarczkopf: I have spoken a couple times about taping our meetings. I know that
Montgomery just started live streaming theirs. I know that it was a budget issue. I understand it
being a budget issue for a live streaming. I would love to start taping and then putting on the
website. That takes a camera that most of us already have. Maybe it's the next day, but it doesn't
cost any money. I have a camera that I wouldn't mind giving here. I would love for it to be
considered soon.
Trustee Thompson: I have had several Village residents tell me that they wish they could come to
our Board meetings, but they're just not days and times that work for them. They asked why we
don't record it. There was a comment about a Census Committee. Yes, there is a committee. Ginny
is Chairing it. They're trying to improve our reporting numbers in the Village of Walden. We had a
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fairly significant underreported population and it translates to a whole lot of money.
Manager Revella: $2500 a person.
Trustee Thompson: What the Census people would like to tap into all already organized,
scheduled Village and Town events where there's going to be a large draw of people, so they can
reach out and grab large groups of people at a time. Rather than reinventing the wheel to just try and
reach larger numbers of the population. They talked a lot about underreported segments, which is
children under the age of 4. They have approached the school district as far as reaching out to the
Board of Education and educating the teachers in the Valley Central community about the
importance of particular groups in the population. They're also going to be reaching out for our
elderly. The goal is to improve our numbers so our funding is improved. There will be a lot of
brochures turned out in the community and other organizations are working with the library.
Business owners in the Village are also encouraged to participate. I wanted to mention that we have
participated in an energy audit months ago and we were very hopeful that we would qualify for
some additional cost savings. Unfortunately, we do not. They analyzed all of our data and they don't
feel that the cost savings would be enough for us to participate in that program. we tried and we'll
keep trying. Climate Smart is definitely going to be a focus for me in 2020. The month of January is
the month that I'm hoping to make the connections with the County so we can start moving forward.
I'll be working with Patricia Hannigan from the CAC on that. Lot of things in the Water World. It's
my understanding we did not get that grant. There's another one I found and sent that over to Mike
Bliss. We'll see where we go with that. It's for green space and it can tie in to the plans we have
coming for a Community Center, Community Garden and our Waterfront Park. Just a reminder,
Walker River Watershed Alliance meets in the Village of Walden every other month. We start in
January meeting here and it'll be every other month. Community room 7:30p.m. 2nd Wednesday of
the month. The Tin Brook Meeting is at the Grove. 2nd Thursday of every month, 7:30. Anyone
who would like to come, please join us. I sent Trustee Ramos some information about poster
contests with the DEC for middle school students. He did send it out in the Valley Central. The
competition ends on January 10th. I'm very hopeful that some of our middle schoolers participated
and if they get chosen, they will be part of the calendar with the Hudson River Estuary DEC and
River Keepers. I would just like to ask our Village Manager what we as a Board and our
Community can do to really take action with this streetlight issue? I really feel that we need to make
a concentrated effort to get some action here because it's just unacceptable.
Manager Revella: Like I said last time, we have to keep lobbying our State Senators and
Representatives to help. Senator Skoufis has been helping us as much as he can.
Trustee Thompson: Do you need constant emails from each member of the board, people at a
community?
Manager Revella: Absolutely. Everyone.
Trustee Thompson: I wish you would send the board a list and a web address of where you need
us to email, because we really need to push hard on this. Nothing's happening.
Trustee Svarczkopf: In addition to that, at the last meeting, we talked about the ones that the
Village did do. You fixed them within 2 days and I really appreciate that.
Manager Revella: The ones that we couldn't fix is because of a line comes from the NYSEG pole
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has to be changed and they haven't.
Trustee Sebring: The article that was in the Wallkill Valley Times about the lights on the Main
Street being out for so long. How many comments did you get from public?
Manager Revella: Not too many.
Trustee Sebring: It's getting ridiculous that it's been out for that long and it all falls on deaf ears.
Manager Revella: It's been over 2 years in front of our post office. And there was an issue, we
can't get another electric supplier here because they own the rights to this area. When the State
broke up the monopoly each area was given territory and I guess some people have rated NYSEG
worst power company in the nation.
Deputy Mayor Moore: When you send the list of contacts, can you do a little script that we can
even share with the residents?
Manager Revella: Yes. You'll have the County Legislator, State Senator, State Rep and the
Regional NYSEG Rep.
Trustee Thompson: In our petition for the Hill Street Bridge, it was turned in. You saw the town
budget. I saw nothing about funding to fix that bridge. Which we were assured that they were going
to take care of. I watched the live stream last night, from the IDA, the comment that was made, is if
Amazon comes, they should not get the tax break, because the Town could use a million dollars to
fix the 3 defunct bridges. They still have not made any attempt to fund that bridge repair. What do
we do now?
Manager Revella: Just so you know, there was comment from the Town about implementing the D
Fund, which is the DPW fund, which would tax everyone in the Town for those projects. They are
allowed to do that. Instead of getting grants, they would just tax you. It's ridiculous.
Trustee Sebring: The other day I was talking my mail man, Drew. He said that back then when he
was the Mayor, that Charlie Frank had put in for a grant to fix that bridge and the one on Highland.
When they got awarded that money, I believe he said he turned it over to the Town to fix those 2
bridges. That was going to be a question when I go up to NYCOM. How can we get grants for the
bridge again?
Deputy Mayor Moore: I want reiterate thanking the Comp Plan Committee for their time and
effort. Wish everyone a Happy New Year. Remind everyone Leadership Day Thursday night.
Executive Session – PBA, CSEA and Personal History of a particular employee
Trustee Ramos made a motion to enter into executive session to discuss the employment history of
a particular person and collective bargaining negotiations for the PBA. Seconded by Trustee
Sebring. All ayes. Motion carried.
Reconvene
Trustee Thompson made a motion to reconvene the regular meeting of the Board of Trustees.
Seconded by Trustee Ramos. All ayes. Motion carried.
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Village of Walden Board of Trustees
Regular Meeting
January 7, 2020
Motions & Resolutions
Approval of Minutes – December 3, 2019 and December 19, 2019 Special Meeting
Trustee Ramos made a motion to approve the December 3, 2019 Minutes. Seconded by Trustee
Sebring. All ayes. Motion carried.
Trustee Ramos made a motion to approve December 19, 2019 Special Meeting Minutes. Seconded
by Trustee Thompson. 4 ayes. 1 absence (Mayor Rumbold). 2 abstentions (Deputy Mayor Moore,
Trustee Svarczkopf). Motion carried.
Contract County Radios
Trustee Ramos made a motion to approve Resolution 14-19-20 – County Contract Radios.
Seconded by Trustee Sebring. All ayes. Motion carried.
Comprehensive Plan
Public Hearing – Comprehensive Plan
Trustee Ramos made a motion to open Public Hearing – Comprehensive Plan. Seconded by Trustee
Sebring. All ayes. Motion carried.
Trustee Ramos made a motion to close Public Hearing – Comprehensive Plan. Seconded by Trustee
Sebring. All ayes. Motion carried.
Trustee Ramos made a motion to approve Resolution 11-19-20 – Comprehensive Plan. Seconded by
Trustee Sebring. All ayes. Motion carried.
Resolution 12-19-20 - Amthor Annexation
Trustee Ramos made a motion to approve Resolution 12-19-20 – Amthor Annexation. Seconded by
Trustee Thompson. All ayes. Motion carried.
Resolution 10-19-20 - Budget Adjustments
Trustee Ramos made a motion to approve Resolution 10-19-20 – Budget Adjustments. Seconded by
Trustee Thompson. All ayes. Motion carried.
Resolution 9-19-20 – Designating Place and Time of Annual Election
Trustee Ramos made a motion to approve Resolution 9-19-20 – Designating Place and Time of
Annual Elections. Wednesday, March 18, 2020. 8am-9pm on the 3rd Floor of Village Hall.
Seconded by Trustee Sebring. All ayes. Motion carried.
Resolution 13-19-20 – Exempt Properties
Trustee Sebring made a motion to approve Resolution 13-19-20 – Exempt Properties. Seconded by
Trustee Ramos. All ayes. Motion carried.
Payment of the Audited Bills
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Trustee Ramos made a motion to approve payment of audited bills. Seconded by Trustee Sebring.
All ayes. Motion carried.
Executive Session – PBA, CSEA and Personal History of a particular employee
Trustee Ramos made a motion to enter into executive session to discuss the employment history of
a particular person and collective bargaining negotiations for the PBA. Seconded by Trustee
Sebring. All ayes. Motion carried.
Reconvene
Trustee Thompson made a motion to reconvene the regular meeting of the Board of Trustees.
Seconded by Trustee Ramos. All ayes. Motion carried.
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Agenda
Board of Trustees of the Village of Walden
Regular Meeting
Tuesday, January 7, 2020, 6:30P.M.
One Municipal Square
The Agenda
1. Call to Order / Pledge of Allegiance
2. Roll Call
3. Public Hearing – Comprehensive Plan
4. Village Manager’s Report
5. Approval of Minutes – December 3, 2019 & Special Meeting December 19, 2019
6. Trustee’s Committee Reports
7. Public Comment on Business of the Board
8. Business of the Board of Trustees
A. Resolution 14-19-20 - Contract County Radios
B. Dispatching
C. Resolution 12-19-20 – Amthor Annexation
D. Discussion – Policy for Setting Items on Agenda
E. Resolution 11-19-20 - Comprehensive Plan
F. Resolution 9-19-20 – Designating Place and Time of Annual Election
G. Resolution 10-19-20 – Budget Adjustments
H. Resolution 13-19-20 – Exempt Properties
9. Public Comment
10. Payment of the Audited Bills
11. Correspondence
12. Miscellaneous Comments from the Board of Trustees
13. Executive Session – PBA, CSEA and Personal history of a particular employee
14. Adjournment
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