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Regular MeetingWebster Groves, MO · November 21, 2023
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CITY OF WEBSTER GROVES
November 21, 2023
The City Council met this date in a regular session, in the City Council Chambers, which was
available to the public in person, and virtually, at 7:39 p.m.
Present at Roll Call: Mayor Laura Arnold
Councilmember Pam Bliss
Councilmember David Franklin (Via Zoom)
Councilmember Emerson Smith
Councilmember Karen D. Alexander
Councilmember Sarah Richardson
Councilmember Emily Hixson Shepherd
A quorum was present.
Also present: Dr. Marie Peoples, City Manager
Neil Bruntrager, City Attorney
Ms. Katie Nakazono, City Clerk
PROCLAMATIONS/RECOGNITIONS
Mayor Arnold read the proclamations for Native American Heritage Month and Small Business
Saturday.
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REMARKS FROM TE COMMUNITY AND VISITORS
The following residents commented on the parking proposal brought forward by the Traffic
Advisory Commission:
• Monica Hawkins, 106 Joy Ave.
• Tricia Warner, 107 Joy Ave.
• Julie Stanley, 25 Mason Ave.
• Zach Bodendieck, 212 E. Swon
• Jackie Freeman, 105 Mason
• Steve Ruzycki, 239 E. Swon
• John Reeve, 48 Mason Ave.
• Matt Crane, 219 Swon Ave.
• Jennifer Boutte, 130 Plant Ave.
• Marshall Burton, 40 Mason
• Nathan Hardage, 236 E. Swan
• Jamie Hasemeier, 215 E. Swon
• Doug Stanley, 25 Mason
• Shea Hicks, attorney representing, Tim Quinn, 838 E. Pacific Ave., asked the Council
to reconsider the flood buyouts, and Mr. Quinn commented on the flood issue as well.
• Bridget Moran, 1051 Kuhlman Lane, addressed flood victims and requested information
on the appeal process.
• Clark Hotaling, 118 W. Cedar, addressed the City's Strategic Plan.
• Dave Buck, 124 S. Elm. (See Exhibit A)
Exhibit A
Nakazono, Katie
From: Dave Buck <dave@buckstl.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2023 11:36 PM
To: Laura W. Arnold; Pam Bliss; Alexander, Karen; Richardson, Sarah; Emily Hixson Shepherd; David
Franklin; Emerson Smith; Peoples, Marie; Peterson, Eric; Nakazono, Katie; Bradley, Shelia; Starkey,
Jenny; Perry, Mara; Davis, Scott; Rehg, Todd; Curtis, Dale; Perks, Greg; Ellis, Brett; Bainter, Gary; Chris
Redford; Carrie Falkenrath; Clark Hotaling; Jamie Hasemeier; Paul Barrs; Aamna Anwer; Jeff Smith;
Annie T; stevehunkins@yahoo.com; Lexie O'Brien; ccoyne@stlcc.edu; john ahearnstudio.com;
mgbrad@aol.com; Janice Seele; Ben E; tracydowning4@gmail.com; davidgaddison@gmail.com;
Hilary Perkins (hehptpl@sbcglobal.net); tdelanty@att.net; hello@maypopshop.com;
sswederska@gmail.com; Shop Descendant; Sebastian Bellomo; fransudekum@aol.com; Rasool,
Ahmar; Holland Saltsman; John Barr; info@balkantreatbox.com; 'bron.kristyn@sbcglobal.net'; S02405
@starbucks.com; Otto Klemp; info@backandneckcarecenter.ws; Ashley Owens; karen-stout@att.net;
gary schoenberger; frank@schnarrs.com; info@thehubbicyclecompany.com; Warner Properties;
jmrath@sbcglobal.net; Mark Hinkle; info@theohhf.org; Rebecca Ortyl; greg@mightyoakes.org;
wgsdshipley@gmail.com; Embroider the Occasion; info@nehringdesign.com; info@hairsaloon.com;
brian mclain; hello@theparkmoor.com; Stanley Browne; Scott Kerr; mary@greendoorartgallery.com;
San Jose Webster Groves; Yucandu Art Studio; lynnbozzay7@gmail.com; Gerry Welch; Kathy Hart;
Toni Hunt; Bill Newhouse
Subject: Sometime During This Thanksgiving Holiday, Please Read My "Remarks from the Community &
Visitors" at the 11/21/23 Webster Groves City Council Meeting
Caution: This is an External Message ‐ Please be cautious when opening links or attachments
“Given this Thursday is Thanksgiving, my remarks tonight are on the
universal emo onal feeling of “happiness”. My primary expert source
is my deceased friend, world scholar and Harvard University
Dis nguished Professor of Psychology, Jerome Kagan.
How we THINK and FEEL about issues are both essen al but, more o en
than naught, it is our emo onal feelings that outweigh our ra onal
thoughts in guiding our decisions and ac ons.
There are four primary emo ons in life – Happy, Sad, Mad and Scared ‐
from which all other emo ons are derived. It’s healthy to feel and flow
between all four emo ons but, if your dominant emo on is not happy,
you are in dysfunc on and the goal is to get back to happy. Because
happiness is the pathway to peace.
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The Declara on of Independence even iden fies one of our unalienable
rights as the “Pursuit of Happiness.”
And this year, 2023, Harvard University, led in large part by Dr. Kagan,
completed the longest market research study ever conducted on any
subject – 85 years ‐ to determine what factors most contribute to
crea ng “happiness” in life. The #1 Factor, above all others: “Good
Rela onships”. Not driven by technology, but good HUMAN, face‐to‐
face rela onships.
However, neither “happiness” or “good rela onships” appear anywhere
in your new strategic plan. As such, I wonder just how HAPPY we
residents truly are, how good your rela onship is with us, and what can
both sides do to improve it.
One way to find out is to conduct a new community survey, among the
many that you field, that asks residents a few simple, fundamental
ques ons, such as:
How do you FEEL about living in Webster Groves?
How HAPPY are you living in Webster Groves?
How do you rate the quality of the City’s RELATIONSHIP with you?
As for me, I have lived here for 23 years and I love Webster Groves. For
whatever reasons, Webster fits me like a glove. As such, I feel very
happy and thankful for the privilege of being part of this great
community and I remain hopeful and steadfast that building good
rela onships between people will end the hate, fear and sadness and
restore happiness and peace in the world, our na on and, yes, even
right here in our li le hamlet called Webster Groves.
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Happy Thanksgiving, Webster Groves!!! We are ONE WEBSTER
TOGETHER!!!”
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Exhibit B
TO: City Councilmembers
FROM: Laura Arnold, Mayor
DATE: November 13, 2023
RE: CRAB Report Review: Items for November 21st
The items listed below will be discussed in the regular meeting on November 21st. Please read
them before arriving so that we may review each. The appropriate excerpts from the CRAB
report are attached.
November 21 Representation
• 2.1 Hybrid system of representation
o Yes/No
o Plan for creating specific proposal.
• 9.2 Residency of Municipal Judge
For the recommendation on 9.2, we need to decide if we would like the City Attorney to draft
language for a ballot proposal to remove the residency requirement of the Municipal Judge.
The recommendation for 2.1 to send a hybrid election system to voters is not specific enough
to devise ballot language. We need to decide whether a task force should be put together to
define the parameters of a new system more specifically. This task force would take on a
complicated and time-consuming task. Please consider that as you think about whether to
create such a group. It would be unfair to ask people to commit their time and effort if Council
is unlikely to send their proposal to voters.
Preamble Elements Current Webster Groves City Charter Preamble
Identification of source In order to secure the benefits and advantages of the Constitution of
of authority the State of Missouri, adopted in the year 1945,
Action to be taken the people of Webster Groves hereby adopt the following Charter.
Declaration of intent and to establish Home Rule for the City under the provisions thereof
4) The National Civic League’s Model City Charter provides the following suggested
language to further strengthen the declaration of intent of a charter: By this action, we
secure the benefits of Home Rule and affirm the values of representative democracy,
professional management, effective leadership, community engagement, diversity and
inclusiveness, and regional cooperation.
5) Incorporating these values and priorities into our Charter Preamble would serve to
increase public clarity and act as a north star guide for City governance.
ARTICLE 2 – THE COUNCIL
SECTION 2.1 – NUMBER AND TERM
Issue: At-Large, Wards-Based or Hybrid Council Elections
CRAB Recommendation
The City Council should consider a Charter proposal, for voter approval, to change to a hybrid
City Council system, whereby a portion of the Council would be elected at-large and a portion
would be elected from geographic wards/districts, with the Mayor elected at-large. For example,
three Council members could be at-large and three Council members could from three wards.
Voting yes: Tammy Behm, Nicole Chaput, Joseph Dugan, Jeanne Kirkton, Kyle Klemp
Voting no: Paul Dribin, Jennifer Finney, Matthew Hile, Melissa Johnson
Passed: 5-4
Priority level (show of hands): High-4, Medium-1, Low-4
CRAB Findings
1) The current at-large based election system has existed since Webster Groves became a
home rule city in 1954. Prior to 1954, Webster Groves was divided into four wards, with
council members elected from each of the four wards.
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2) Under the current system, all members of the city council and the mayor of Webster
Groves are elected through at-large elections for a term of four years, meaning they are
elected by the entire population of the city.
3) CRAB’s at-large/wards subcommittee studied, reviewed, and discussed multiple
approaches to how city council elections are run by other St. Louis County
municipalities, as well as similar sized municipalities in the Kansas City metro region
(see Table 1). The subcommittee also analyzed the home locations of Webster Groves
City Council members elected since 1996 (see Table 2).
Table 1 – Comparisons of Local Municipalities
Municipality Population Home Wards # of Wards Only
Rule Wards vs. Hybrid
Clayton 16,943 Yes Yes 3 Pure Ward
Crestwood 12,338 Yes Yes 4 Pure Ward
Creve Coeur 18,660 Yes Yes 4 Pure Ward
Fairway, KS (KC Metro) 4,170 N/A Yes 4 Pure Ward
Ferguson 18,343 Yes Yes 3 Pure Ward
Gladstone (KC Metro) 27,063 No No 1 At-Large
Glendale 6,142 No Yes 3 Pure Ward
Kansas City 508,394 Yes Yes 6 Hybrid
Kirkwood 29,371 Yes No 1 At-Large
Leawood, KS (KC Metro) 33,902 N/A Yes 4 Pure Ward
Lenexa, KS (KC Metro) 57,434 N/A Yes 4 Pure Ward
Liberty (KC Metro) 30,167 No Yes 4 Pure Ward
Merriam (KC Metro) 11,098 N/A Yes 4 Pure Ward
Oakland 1,375 No Yes 2 Pure Ward
Parkville (KC Metro) 7,177 No Yes 4 Pure Ward
Prairie Village, KS (KC Metro) 22,957 N/A Yes 6 Pure Ward
Raytown (KC Metro) 30,012 No Yes 5 Pure Ward
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Richmond Heights 9,201 Yes Yes 4 Pure Ward
Rock Hill 4,718 No Yes 3 Pure Ward
Roeland Park, KS (KC Metro) 6,871 N/A Yes 4 Pure Ward
Shrewsbury 6,332 No Yes 3 Pure Ward
University City 34,629 Yes Yes 3 Pure Ward
Warson Woods 2,009 No Yes 4 Pure Ward
Webster Groves 23,770 Yes No 1 N/A
Westwood, KS (KC Metro) 1,750 N/A No 1 At Large
Table 2 – Map – City Council Members Home Locations Since 1996
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Ultimately, the Charter Review Advisory Board voted to recommend a hybrid system under
which:
• Council shall consist of six council members and a mayor;
• A hybrid system combining both at-large and ward-based council members;
• Wards which are revised according to population in conjunction with the decennial US
Census, with a specific deadline for when wards must be completed in order to allow for
timely filing for candidates.
Under a hybrid system of both ward-based and at-large council members, the mayor and a
portion of the City Council members are elected at large. The remaining members of the City
Council are elected from within the districts they serve.
Viewpoints in favor of hybrid system
• Increase geographic diversity of council members;
• Lower the barriers to entry for candidates for city council by allowing for campaigning in
smaller geographic areas;
• Address the specific concerns of geographic areas of the city more acutely;
• Fewer residents per councilmember would allow for greater interaction between
residents and their elected officials;
• Potential to also allow for ward-based decisions to be incorporated in the selection of
members of Webster Groves boards and commissions;
• Increase representation and feeling of legitimacy people feel towards their elected
officials.
Viewpoints against hybrid system
• Council members elected at-large focus on the interests of the whole community rather
than a single ward.
• At-large approach lessens the likelihood of vote trading between Council members.
• Wards approach could result in a smaller candidate pool within a ward.
• A hybrid system could create “power” distinctions between ward-elected and at-large
council members.
• Mapping of wards could be contentious.
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CRAB Member Comments
Matthew Hile
To explore the question of wards, our Board created a subcommittee. Their recommendation
was that the issue needed input from the community. That feedback showed that the plurality of
respondents to our survey want to keep at-large elections. Written comments show pro and con
positions for each approach.
Nationally, wards are being used to increase and decrease minority representation. The
diversity of our current Councill is very good. Because of the small size of our BIPOC
community, wards would be unlikely to have a positive impact on that diversity. One argument
for wards is that not all Council members engage with our residents’ requests for assistance and
those residents feel unheard. Another is that it would be less expensive to run a small ward-
based campaign. Yet the hybrid ward system recommendation would suggest that only half of
the Council members would be accountable. And that only half would benefit from decreased
elections efforts.
Diversity, equity, and inclusion are a significant component of Webster’s 2023 strategic plan
(https://www.webstergrovesmo.gov/682/Strategic-Planning). Because of historic housing
discrimination, many of our BIPOC residents lived in North Webster. Today, that is much less
true. Nonetheless, with our community demographics, ward divisions could never create a
BIPOC majority ward. Rather it would divide and separate BIPOC voices into different wards. I
do not believe that wards are necessarily racist. However, to me, keeping at large elections
seems to be the most anti-racist option.
Not included in our considerations are the fiscal and social costs of implementing wards.
Fiscally this would include such things as hiring redistricting experts to guide this process and
creating a group of citizens to shape their recommendations. Such costs that would be repeated
every 10 years after the census. Social costs include divisions over how many wards we might
have, fights over redistricting, differing priorities between wards, dividing the city into
socioeconomic enclaves. In short, dividing rather than uniting the community.
The inclusion of these recommendations is the result of a 5-4 vote. Even after vigorous and
thoughtful debate, there is no consensus among our members to change our current approach.
Jeanne Kirkton
CRAB narrowly voted 5-4 for Council to consider transitioning to a hybrid-ward model. Our
research lays a cursory informational foundation. Should Council decide to pursue a hybrid
system, deeper consideration and planning will be ahead.
Kansas City is the only hybrid election system in Missouri. Locally, there are no municipalities
with a hybrid election system to evaluate. Useful insight and guidance on the districting process
might be gained from the Webster Groves School District redistricting experiences.
Below are initial considerations that come to my mind and process resources:
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• Establishment of a hard and fast timeline to complete ward boundaries prior to candidate
filing on an every ten-year cycle coinciding with the Census;
• Seating a boundary/districting commission;
• Transition process budgeting: research, consultant(s), community input, and
Council/voter approval of maps.
Resources:
Everett WA Redistricting Process
https://www.everettwa.gov/1856/City-Council-Districts
Everett WA Districting Commission Timeline
https://www.everettwa.gov/DocumentCenter/View/32836/OnePager-2022-Dist-
Commission?bidId=
Alameda County Water District Transition At-Large to Wards
https://www.acwd.org/756/Ward-Based-Election-System
AC Transit Redistricting
https://www.actransit.org/redistricting
City of Portland OR Transition Overview
https://www.portland.gov/transition/overview
City of Portland OR Transition Plan
https://www.portland.gov/transition/documents/transition-work-plan-july-2023/download
Aurora, Ontario - Are Wards Feasible? Pros & Cons of Ward - At-Large Electoral Systems
Ward boundary commission information
https://www.aurora.ca/en/your-government/resources/Legislative-Services/Wards/Item-R1-CS20-
013-Pros--Cons-Ward--At-Large-Electoral-Systems.pdf
Kansas City MO
https://www.kcmo.gov/city-hall/city-officials/city-council-members
Joseph Dugan
More than half (53%) of our online Community Opinion Survey respondents favored changing to
either a wards-based Council representation approach (31%) or a hybrid approach (22%). This
indicates a substantial degree of community interest. I voted in favor of the hybrid
representation approach but believe additional study is required to develop a proposal to bring
forward to voters.
Past research by the National League of Cities indicates that 21% of U.S. municipalities are
using hybrid representation systems. My own research has found that cities as diverse as
Lowell, MA; Bristol, TN, and Columbus, OH are using a hybrid approach.
The CRAB did not fully investigate the full range of hybrid possibilities. The common hybrid
model is for a portion of the City Council members to be elected at-large and a portion to be
elected from geographic wards (or districts). If we stay at 6 Council seats, the two most likely
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approaches would be: (a) 3 elected at-large and 3 elected from 3 wards/districts; or (b) 2
elected at-large and 4 elected from either 2 or 4 wards/districts.
Interestingly, Columbus voted in 2018 to change from a fully at-large City Council to a hybrid at-
large district system. Under the Columbus approach, Council members must live in the district
they represent but the entire city votes on each candidate. Their first election under this new
system takes place in November 2023. This approach may be worth exploring.
With further study to develop a properly balanced hybrid approach, Webster Groves voters can
have the opportunity to decide whether to change to a system that leverages the benefits of
both at-large representation and more local representation.
Melissa Johnson and Jennifer Finney
The recommendation by CRAB to adopt a hybrid approach for council elections is imprudent
and incomplete. The issue was studied by a subcommittee that could not agree on a
recommendation, with the same subsequent result by the full commission. The hybrid approach
that is being recommended was only found to be used in Kansas City and no recommendation
for what that approach should look like in Webster Groves was even considered, let alone
guidelines provided on how to pursue this approach. Considering the complexity of the issue,
the difficulty it would take to educate the public, and without the details to support a change, we
think no change is best.
ARTICLE 2 – THE COUNCIL
Section 2.4 COMPENSATION
Issue: Adjusting Compensation for Council Members and the Mayor
CRAB Recommendation
1) Set compensation for City Council members at $400 per month, not exceeding $4,800
per year.
2) Set compensation for the Mayor at $625 per month, not exceeding $7,500 per year.
3) No City Council member or Mayor presently serving shall receive increased
compensation during their term of office.
4) The current rate of compensation per meeting attended will remain in effect for each
officeholder until the next term for each office begins.
5) Every four (4) years after the effective date of this Charter amendment, the City Council
shall review the compensation paid Council members and Mayor and may adjust the
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No person in the classified service of the City, or seeking admission thereto, shall be appointed,
promoted, reduced, removed, or in any way favored or discriminated against because of race or
political or religious opinions or affiliations race, gender, gender identity, age, sexual orientation,
disability, religion, country of origin, or political affiliation.
Voting yes: Nicole Chaput, Joseph Dugan, Jennifer Finney, Matthew Hile, Melissa
Johnson, Kyle Klemp
Voting no: none
Passed: 6-0
Priority level (show of hands): High-6, Medium-0, Low-0
CRAB Findings
Section 7.12 should be updated to reflect the current approach.
ARTICLE 9 – THE MUNICIPAL COURT
Section: 9.2 JUDGE OF THE MUNICIPAL COURT
Issue: The Charter requires the Municipal Judge to be a resident and elector of
the City of Webster Groves.
CRAB Recommendation
Amend Section 9.2 to eliminate the residency and elector requirements for the Municipal Judge
to align with those of the City Attorney, as shown below (see strikethrough):
The Municipal Court shall be presided over by a judge appointed by the City Council for
a term of four years. The Judge shall be a resident and elector of the City, a licensed
member of the Bar of this State, and shall have actively practiced law for not less than
three years…
Voting yes: Tammy Behm, Nicole Chaput, Paul Dribin, Joseph Dugan, Jennifer Finney,
Matthew Hile, Melissa Johnson, Jeanne Kirkton, Kyle Klemp
Voting no: none
Passed: 9-0
Priority level (show of hands): High-4, Medium-3, Low-2
CRAB Findings
1) While the availability of qualified persons meeting the residency and elector
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qualifications has not been problematic to date, it could become an issue in the future
and would necessitate a Charter change.
2) CRAB online Community Opinion Survey found that 62.21% of respondents support
removing the residency requirement for the Municipal Court Judge, with 28.66%
opposing the change, and 9.12% having no opinion.
ARTICLE 11 PLANNING AND ZONING
SECTION 11.2 – POWERS AND DUTIES
Issue: Update this section to better reflect the broad scope of responsibilities
CRAB Recommendation
The CRAB recommends renaming Article 11, changing from Planning and Zoning to Planning
and Development, to better reflect the broad scope of responsibilities and align with current
practice.
In Section 11.2, we recommend inserting additional recommended language from the Model
City Charter, Section 4.04, 9th edition, 2021.
Amend Section 11.2 as follows (see strikethrough, new text in underlined italics):
1. Change “Planning and Zoning” name to “Planning and Development” throughout Article
11.
2. The City Plan Commission shall have full authority to advise the City Council regarding
all land use, development, environmental planning, and planning and zoning matters as
permitted by the controlling statutory or common law of the State of Missouri, including
but not limited to zoning power over the property of persons, corporations, institutions,
churches, and all other entities to the fullest extent permitted by the constitutions of
Missouri and the United States.
Consistent with all applicable federal and state laws with respect to land use,
development, and environmental planning, the Council shall:
Adopt an inclusive and comprehensive plan and determine to what extent zoning and
other land use control ordinances must be consistent with the plan; determine to what
extent an inclusive and comprehensive plan and zoning and other land use ordinances
must be consistent with regional plan(s); and adopt development regulations, to be
specified by ordinance, to implement the plan.
The City Plan Commission, the City Manager, and the Mayor and City Council shall seek
to act in cooperation with other jurisdictions and organizations in their region to promote
integrated approaches to regional issues.
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