Planning Commission
Regular MeetingWinooski, VT · October 10, 2024
Minutes
10/10/2024 - Minutes
I. Call to Order
Members Present: Mike O’Brien, Chair; Sarah van Ryckevorsel; John Baker; Joe Perron;
Brendan Sage
City Staff Present: Ravi Venkataraman
Guests Present: Kristine Lott, Mayor; Bryn Oakleaf
Call to Order by: Mike O’Brien
Meeting Start Time: 6:35 pm
Minutes Recorded by: Ravi Venkataraman
II. Changes to the Agenda
None
III. Public Comment
None
IV. Approve Previous Meeting Minutes
September 12, 2024 meeting minutes tabled to the next meeting.
V. Discussion: Unified Land Use and Development Regulations (ULUDR) Sections 4.1 and
5.16 (Related to Replacement Units)
Ravi provided an overview of the changes made to the draft document since the last discussion.
Ravi brought forward staff’s concerns about the payment in-lieu and about removing the
exemption for buildings that have been ordered for demolition by the city.
Joe, Sarah and Mike raised questions about the rationale for removing the exemption. Ravi
explained that he and city staff are looking to make sure that any two-bedroom units that are
removed are replaced in a timely fashion, instead of opening up the possibilities for properties to
remain vacant or to redevelop with smaller units. The commission discussed further the
mechanisms and scenarios in which this exemption would have a role in redevelopment. Mayor
Lott clarified that by removing the exemption, the regulation would apply in any instance in which
a two-bedroom unit is removed. The commission came to agreement to remove the exemption.
Mike asked for clarification about Ravi’s suggestion to reduce the payment in-lieu for properties
with 10 or more two-bedroom units. Ravi explained that for certain properties, the $100,000 fee
in-lieu may prevent redevelopment from occurring, thereby restricting a greater number of units
to be built on certain properties and/or improved housing stock. Sarah suggested a threshold in
which only a certain amount of units would be eligible for the payment in-lieu. Brendan brought
up the thresholds in the draft inclusionary zoning. Ravi said a similar limit could be placed to limit
how many existing units would be eligible for the payment in-lieu. Mike explored examples in
which the fee in-lieu would and wouldn’t apply. Mike suggested that if no units are built in
replacement regardless of the number of bedrooms, the full fee should be charged, and that if
the units are replaced with a reduced number of bedrooms, then a reduced fee should apply.
to be built on certain properties and/or improved housing stock. Sarah suggested a threshold in
which only a certain amount of units would be eligible for the payment in-lieu. Brendan brought
up the thresholds in the draft inclusionary zoning. Ravi said a similar limit could be placed to limit
how many existing units would be eligible for the payment in-lieu. Mike explored examples in
which the fee in-lieu would and wouldn’t apply. Mike suggested that if no units are built in
replacement regardless of the number of bedrooms, the full fee should be charged, and that if
the units are replaced with a reduced number of bedrooms, then a reduced fee should apply.
Joe said that this system incentivizes reducing the number of bedrooms in replacement units.
Ravi said that in this framework, the applicant would still be subject to a penalty for providing
non-priority housing. Commissioners discussed the potential ramifications of allowing a reduced
payment in-lieu fee. Ravi explained that for properties with more two-bedroom units, the high fee
could restrict any kind of future development. Joe questioned whether the reduced fee equals
the loss of the two-bedroom unit. Brendan said that with the fee, even at a reduced rate, the
incentive would be to build more units to cover the payment in-lieu, which would benefit the city.
Kristine added that the payment into the housing trust fund can be cycled back into future
affordable housing projects or payment assistance.
Mike asked if the payment in-lieu will be further discussed at the housing roundtable. Ravi said
that the payment in-lieu won’t be under discussion, as it is based on Champlain Housing Trust’s
guidance. Ravi said that the discussion would focus more on the mechanisms of the
regulations. Mike said that the payment in-lieu seems too high. Commissioners questioned the
basis of the payment in-lieu number. Ravi said that it simply was half of the suggested payment
in-lieu, or 10-12 percent of downpayment assistance instead of 20-25 percent. Mike tied it to the
cost of acquiring land per dwelling unit in a multiunit dwelling project, which can range between
$10,000 and $50,000. Sarah asked about the cost of constructing a unit and whether it could be
percentage based. John asked if a scaled payment in-lieu would make sense. Ravi said that a
scaled payment could restrict redevelopment possibilities, especially for properties with larger
existing units. Kristine suggested asking VHFA for confirmation on the payment in-lieu fees. Ravi
said that VHFA has reviewed the payment in-lieu numbers and calculations. Mike asked if other
municipalities charge payment in-lieu fees for replacement units. Ravi said he will have get back
to Mike on this element.
Ravi said that more information about this will be provided during the next meeting, including the
draft text.
VI. Discussion: Unified Land Use and Development Regulations (ULUDR) Sections 4.12,
and 5.10, and Article VIII (Act 181 Overview and its Related Required Ordinance
Changes)
Ravi reviewed the next steps with Act 181, and the regional future land use map.
Ravi overviewed the necessary changes in the ULUDR with Act 181. Mike asked for the
mechanisms for meeting parking requirements offsite. Ravi said that this requirement would be
met through a lease agreement, easement or other legal instrument that proves that the offsite
parking would be available in perpetuity.
VII. Discussion: Unified Land Use and Development Regulations (ULUDR) Section 4.17
(Transportation Demand Management)
Ravi highlighted the changes to the draft TDM section, providing an update to the conversations
he’s had with partner organizations, and on on-street parking.
VIII. City Updates
A. Updates from the Mayor
Kristine reviewed the concept proposal for the Armory property discussed during
the last City Council meeting.
B. Updates from the Inclusion and Belonging Commission
Kristine reviewed the concept proposal for the Armory property discussed during
the last City Council meeting.
B. Updates from the Inclusion and Belonging Commission
None
C. Updates from City Staff
Ravi reviewed the total amount of zoning permit applications he’s received since
July 1, the total zoning permits he’s issued, and the types of inquiries he’s received.
IX. Other Business
N/A
X. Adjourn
Motion by: Brendan
Second: Sarah
Meeting End Time: 8:00 pm
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