Safe, Healthy, Connected People Commission
Regular MeetingWinooski, VT · July 28, 2020
Minutes
7/28/2020 - Minutes
I. Call to Order
Members Present: Kim Jordan, Mary Hussmann, Paul Rabidoux, Amy Lafayette, Courtney
Blasius
City Staff Present: Ray Coffey, Jessie Baker, John Audy, Paul Sarne
Guests Present: Amelie Thurston, Bryn Oaklead, Kat Wohlers, Katherine Monje, Matthew
Francis, Robyn, Travis Smith
Call to Order by: Mary Hussmann
Minutes Recorded by: Kim Jordan
Meeting Start Time: 6:36 PM
II. Public Comment
None
III. Approve Previous Meeting Minutes
Decision: Approved
Motion by: Paul
Second: Kim
IV. Presentation on 21st Century Policing in Winooski
See attached slides
(https://www.winooskivt.gov/AgendaCenter/ViewFile/Agenda/_07282020-679?html=true)
Questions from SHCP Commissioners:
l Kim Jordan: Looks forward to continuing conversation about support for victims of
crime and harm in Winooski, like Parallel Justice for Victims of Crime and Harm, as
an added collaboration with Burlington CJC, since Winooski CJC has dissolved.
Chief Hebert: Looks forward to continued collaboration!
l Paul Rabidoux: Does Winooski PD have an emergency response vehicle...? Chief
Hebert: Burlington has one, but Winooski doesn’t have the funds and relies on BPD
for emergency and, when necessary, lethal options. Winooski – and VT in general -
doesn’t need emergency, militarized responses to protests the way that other places
in the country may choose to. As WPD is down two officers, Chief Hebert prioritizes
the patrol division, which requires 10 officers. They do not currently have a detective
on the DEA Task Force and will not fill the position until at least October. CUSI
detective spot will not be filled as a priority.
l Kim Jordan: Could you speak to the need for an SRO in the Winoosk Schools?
Chief Hebert: WSD has had zero arrests (yet has had referrals to restorative justice
panels), but we are a product of our community… and if Winooski decides that they
the patrol division, which requires 10 officers. They do not currently have a detective
on the DEA Task Force and will not fill the position until at least October. CUSI
detective spot will not be filled as a priority.
l Kim Jordan: Could you speak to the need for an SRO in the Winoosk Schools?
Chief Hebert: WSD has had zero arrests (yet has had referrals to restorative justice
panels), but we are a product of our community… and if Winooski decides that they
want something different from an SRO in the schools, he understands. Winooski
schools primarily fund the SRO position, but he is understandable naïve to what
marginalized students feel and how they don’t trust police and/or don’t want police on
school grounds. He believes there is value in the SRO position, and also trusts the
Winooski school community’s decision making. If the community wants to have a
trauma specialist on staff instead of and SRO, that makes sense. He does hope that
if police are no longer needed as SRO’s, police are still welcomed as part of the
community and not only called to the school when there’s a crisis and an arrest may
need to be made.
Questions from members of the public:
l Matthew Francis: The date at the top says “Rev. 3/4/12.” Is this FY20 data or is it
from 2012? Slides 10 and 11. Chief Hebert: That is the computer program’s imprint,
and not related to the data.
l Katherine Monje: I am interested in the WPD responseS to the 8 Can’t Wait
recommendations. Chief Hebert: Will communicate via email.
l Kat Wohlers: In observing police traffic stops by where Kat lives, it seems that all
people asked to get out of the car are Black and Brown folks. Will the new traffic stop
data track race and will that be available? Are there also data points about
Neighborhood Watch and race for who is involved/participates? Is there a number
for Community Outreach Team? How many Winooski Police officers live in
Winooski? Might Winooski have a Police Commission in the way that Burlington
does? Cheif Hebert: Yes to the traffic stop data tracking. If there are folks interested
in Neighborhood Watch, please let Chief Hebert know. Community Outreach Team
is Howard Center’s First Call - 802 488 7778. Right now, no WPD officers live in
Winooski. If Winooski is interested in a police commission, I look forward to being a
part of that conversation and collaboration. WPD are ambassadors for this
community.
l Amelie Thurston: Chief Hebert, you mentioned there you had conducted surveys in
2015 and referenced the internal survey that you did. Was an external survey done
as well? If so, are the results of an external survey available for the public to view? A
group of Winooski parents/community members drafted some survey questions to
be shared in a few different modalities. They will send a letter to City staff and Chief
Hebert with the questions they think should be included and a good cross-section of
the community to survey for a representative sample. She has lived in Winooski for
13 years and has never been surveyed, so she looks forward to hearing about how
this survey can be done most effectively. Chief Hebert: Two community surveys have
been put out to the public, and it’s probably time to do that again. Paul Sarne and
Ray Coffey can work with the group to find those responses. Jessie Baker: Is also
interested in working on this survey for equity and an accurate representative sample
of Winooski residents.
l Bryn Oakleaf: How does WPD currently engage with Interpretation Services? How
have addiction/overdoses increased in this COVID time? As you seek to recruit
additional officers, what are the Department's policies around reviewing the previous
employment history of an officer both on the job, and off the job? It has come to light
on the national level that re-hiring officers with a series of previous infractions
perpetuates issues of an officer and relocates the problem from one PD and
community to another. Cheif Hebert: WPD works with a service in the Midwest to
interpret over 180 languages. If someone wants translation services for paperwork,
the service provides translation as well. This is for overall City services, not just
police procedure work. Countywide Dispatch rollout will be forthcoming, and
on the national level that re-hiring officers with a series of previous infractions
perpetuates issues of an officer and relocates the problem from one PD and
community to another. Cheif Hebert: WPD works with a service in the Midwest to
interpret over 180 languages. If someone wants translation services for paperwork,
the service provides translation as well. This is for overall City services, not just
police procedure work. Countywide Dispatch rollout will be forthcoming, and
interpretation/translation services will be part of this. There hasn’t been a spike in
overdose numbers since quarantine/COVID began, but our numbers are so small
that even one overdose makes our numbers look high. Act 56 provides parameters
about police investigations that will provide more tightening of regulations.
l Amelie Thurston: Since there will be 2 WPD officer vacancies, will there be an
intentionally diverse hiring practice and recruitement effort? Chief Hebert: It is
surprisingly hard to find good officers to hire. We have only 1 woman and only white
officers on WPD. The City is actively committed and trying to diversity its workforce
and encourages suggestions from anyone on how to do this. Jessie Baker: This is a
top priority for the entire Winooski City workforce. There are hurdles and barriers that
prevent potentially excellent hires from becoming police officers; please help
advocate to the VT Legislature for a non-residental polic academy.
V. City and Department Updates
There are many Winooski job openings and they are posted on the Winooski website
VI. Adjourn
Motion by: Paul
Second: Kim
Meeting End Time: 8:05 PM
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