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THE CITY OF Zanesville 401 Market Street • Zanesville, Ohio 43701 Council - Mayor Phone(740)617-4875 Government E-mail: council@coz.org Zanesville City Council Ways and Means Committee Agenda Council Chambers, 401 Market Street, Zanesville, Ohio Monday, November 17, 2025 at 5:00 p.m. This meeting is open to the public to attend in person or remotely by using the information below. This meeting is for discussion pertaining to the upcoming ordinances and discussion items of the Ways and Means Committee for review as follows: 1. Roll Call 2. Approval of Minutes of October 20, 2025 Ordinances 3. Ordinance No. 2025-000- Introduced by Council -An Ordinance establishing a wage increase for unaffiliated employees in the municipal service and increasing the pay ranges for each pay grade commensurate with the wage increase set forth herein, and declaring an emergency. 4. Ordinance No. 2025-000 - Introduced by Council - An Ordinance amending appropriation Ordinance No. 2025-22 and declaring an emergency. Discussion Items 5. None Next scheduled meetings of the Ways and Means Committee 2025: Monday, December 15, 2025 This meeting is open to the public who may attend in person or attend by phone or Internet using the information below. Phone 1-844-621-3956 US Toll Free or 1-415-655-0001 US Toll Use Access Code: 1267508098 # Online with WebEx - Enter zanesvillecity.webex.com in web browser. Enter Meeting Information 1267508098  WAYS AND MEANS COMMITTEE MEETING October 20, 2025 at 5:00 p.m. Mr. Ballmer: Good afternoon. I'd like to welcome you to the Zanesville City Council Ways and Means Committee meeting this afternoon on Monday, October 20, 2025 at 5:00 here in Council Chambers. Could we have roll call, please? Committee Members Present: Councilperson Mark Ballmer, Chairman Councilperson John Taylor-Lehman Councilperson Mike King Councilperson Ralph Hennessey Committee Members Absent: None Others present: Billie Corns, Clerk of Council Amanda Perkowski, Budget & Finance Director Shawn Digity, TR Reporter J. Rob Sharrer, City Treasurer Lisa Hittle, IT Administrator David Tarbert, City Law Director Noel Jordan, Citizen Dan Vincent, President of Council Don Mason, Mayor Todd Ware, Councilperson APPROVAL OF MINUTES OF SEPTEMBER 15, 2025 Mr. Ballmer: Hearing we have a quorum, I'll entertain a motion for the approval of the minutes of September 15, 2025. Mr. Hennessey made a motion to approve the minutes of September 15, 2025. It was seconded by Mr. Taylor-Lehman. Mr. Ballmer: We have a motion and a second. Is there any discussion on that? All in favor then of accepting and approval of those minutes for September 15, 20f5, aye. Any opposed, nay. A voice vote was taken with all being in favor. None were opposed. Mr. Ballmer: That carries. Thank you. Page 1 of 16 Ways and Means Committee Meeting 10/20/2025 ORDINANCES 3. Ordinance No. 2025-*** - Introduced by Council -An Ordinance amending Ordinance No. 2025- 62 that currently establishes wages for unaffiliated employees in the municipal service, authorizing the Mayor to add another IT Technician position to the unaffiliated pay ordinance. Mr. Ballmer: Mr. Mayor, would you like to speak or Lisa would you like to speak? Mayor Mason: I'm going to have Lisa, but also to clarify, it also abolishes one position. Mr. Ballmer: Yes. Mayor Mason: Okay, thank you. Go ahead, Lisa. Lisa Hittle: Thank you . So, as everyone knows, we are trying to modernize technology. With that, over the last couple of years, we do a time tracking to say how many tickets or how many people call us in a month's time. In the last six months, we have, on average, done 424 tickets. Now, that may not seem like a lot or that may seem like a lot. But to us, that is a lot! That doesn't take into account of how much time it takes each ticket to do. There are three of us. So, as we try to modernize and try to get technology where we need to be, we need to focus on things that we haven't been able to focus on . Cyber technology, we need to really start to focus on that. But again, we can't forget about the other items that we have on a daily basis. So, this additional technician that we are asking for will help with that. We have an engineer right now that he strictly focuses on the network. We need to continue to keep him there, but we also need to look at cybersecurity. We have Jaclyn that we brought in as well. She does a lot with our software. Again, there are things out there that we still need to focus on. So, this person will help with that. I could go through a list of what we have on our plate right now. But again, it's just so much. And as we all know, technology changes every day. We just try to keep the city aware and keep us up and going from a technology standpoint. Mr. Ballmer: All right. Are there any questions from Council? Mr. Hennessey. Mr. Hennessey: When you say "tickets," what do they usually involve? Lisa Hittle: Consist of? Mr. Hennessey: Yes. Lisa Hittle: That's a very good question. So, it could range. It could range from somebody calling in and saying, I need to have my voicemail pin reset, or my printer is not working, or I need access. Mr. Hennessey: Or a tablet didn't work? Lisa Hittle: Exactly, yes! Page 2 of 16 Ways and Means Committee Meeting 10/20/2025 Mr. Hennessey: That was me! Laughter in the room. Mr. Hennessey: So that's what we're talking about? Lisa Hittle: That's exactly what we're talking about, yes. Mayor Mason: That's in addition to all the work they have planned for the system. Mr. Hennessey: So, these are unexpected calls? Lisa Hittle: Correct! On top of projects or something that we're working on. So, within that 424 that we average, in two months of this year, we put in a new timeclock system. So, that doesn't entail all the project work that we're doing. Those are calls above and beyond that come in as we're performing those projects. Mr. Hennessey: Thank you. Mr. Ballmer: Remind us again, Lisa, the position that we are eliminating, so we're just kind of switching, as we add, we're also subtracting one. What position is that we're removing? Lisa Hittle: That is the Purchasing Coordinator that we had in the purchasing area. Mr. Ballmer: Mr. Mayor, you're okay with that? Mayor Mason: Yes, both are within the Office of Budget and Finance. So, yes, we'll close out one and open the other. Actually Amanda has picked up most of the responsibilities of Purchasing. We've moved a few others. For example, Trevor Horne, for example, anything that Mary did with titles, that now is handled by Trevor down in Vehicle Maintenance. So, we doled some of it out. Like I said, of course, Amanda picked a lot of it up also. So we're going to work that way. Mr. Ballmer: Thank you. Mayor Mason: But we just feel it's more important to have IT, who helps all 360 employees, instead of. Mr. Hennessey: We're going to move from a pay grade of 5 to an 8. Am I correct? Is it going from 5 to 8 on the pay scale? Is that right? Lisa Hittle: The pay grade, yes. That's correct. Mr. Hennessey: So roughly, anywhere from $11,000 to $15,000 more per year? Mayor Mason: Well, Mary was... Page 3 of 16 Ways and Means Committee Meeting 10/20/2025 Treasurer Sharrer: I was going to say, Mary Bush was the Purchasing Coordinator. So even if she was a 5, she was a high 5. Mr. Hennessey: She was at the maximum probably? Treasurer Sharrer: Right! Mr. Hennessey: So it's fair to say we're going to come in probably lower than what Mary was making to begin to start? Mayor Mason: Yes. Mr. Ballmer: Are there any other questions? All right then, I'll entertain a motion to recommend this to Council for passage, and we'll get a number for it and get it on the agenda for the next Council meeting so that we can get it taken care of. With that, just one moment, how important, do we have somebody in the wings ready? I mean, is this something we can go three readings? Do we need to get it done as quickly as possible? Lisa Hittle: You can go the three readings. We would have to go through the whole process of interviewing. So we would wait until the budget year of next year anyway. Mayor Mason: So this will be going through the Civil Service Commission, right? Lisa Hittle: That is correct. Mayor Mason: Yes, so, Jessie will be doing all of the advertising and then the initial interviews, background checks, and whatnot. And then we pare it down to who the final three are interviewing. Mr. Ballmer: Very good. So I'll entertain a motion then to put this before Council for passage. Mr. Hennessey: So moved. Mr. King: Second. Mr. Ballmer: I have a first and a second. Is there any other discussion? All in favor of moving this up to Council, aye. Any opposed, nay. A voice vote was taken with all being in favor. None were opposed. Mr. Ballmer: All right. That will carry, and we'll get that ordered up and try to get it done here as soon as possible. Page 4 of 16 Ways and Means Committee Meeting 10/20/2025 4. Ordinance No. 2025-*** - Introduced by Council - An Ordinance authorizing a maximum schedule of positions for the City of Zanesville's workforce. Mr. Ballmer: Lisa, just explain to us again, please. Lisa Hittle: Sure. So, this will just take out that Purchasing Coordinator position and then add that new position to the IT. So, it's just a wash from a city perspective. Mr. Ballmer: Okay. Mr. Mayor, anything else? You're good? Are there any questions from Council? I'll entertain a motion that we move this to Council as well, once it has a number and get it on the agenda for its passage. Mr. King: I'll make a motion. Mr. Hennessey: Second. Mr. Ballmer: Is there any other discussion? All in favor, aye. Any opposed, nay? A voice vote was taken with all being in favor. None were opposed. Mr. Ballmer: That carries as well. That takes care of the ordinances, and we will get that done as soon as possible. DISCUSSION ITEMS 6. Joining RITA Discussion (Continued} Mr. Ballmer: The first item on the agenda for discussion is joining RITA that we are continuing. Mr. Mayor, why don't you start, and then Rob, we'll give you a few minutes and kind of see where we are here. Mayor Mason: Well, I don't know what more. I mean, I know Rob has talked with, probably one of the smartest guys I know in city and village income tax, Chris Kirby. What was Chris's advice to you, Rob? Treasurer Sharrer: Chris's advice was that it could potentially, as you had mentioned, that the state could, it seems like every year, they try and push municipalities to centralized collection on that. They took it out of the most recent bill. That's what he told me, but you never know what they're going to do. In my discussions, I just want Council to know, I want the Mayor to know, and anyone here, I'm not 100 percent against this and I don't want to fight tooth and nail against this because there may come a time that I want to do this. I don't want to do it right now. That's my biggest thing. I don't want to do it right now. I know the Mayor has mentioned that it could be a tool in my toolbox. Right now, I don't need anything else in my toolbox. So, I did do the research as the Mayor indicated. It's up to Council. Council holds the purse strings; it is up to Council. I found some really interesting things that I will commend the Mayor for his lack of reliance on Al. There are a lot of things I've found, and any of you who use Al daily, Page 5 of 16 Ways and Means Committee Meeting 10/20/2025 I know in talking with the Law Director too, there are a lot of attorneys being sanctioned for using Al. And Al has literally invented cases, not even on the agenda that you cannot find. David and I were laughing about that during our discussions. Personally, I think we're moving along, we're collecting the taxes that we need to collect. I see RITA as a $300,000 expense that we don't need right now. If Council so pleases, I would challenge them to shift that $300,000 into my budget, and I'll hire some more people. I'm down four right now. With that $300,000, I could hire and go full staff and go from there. Mayor Mason: See I guess, it's not about warm bodies. Treasurer Sharrer: I understand. Mayor Mason: What it's about is RITA has the capability of drawing from the IRS and the state tax system, and they'll know where the taxpayer lives and they'll know what they're paying at federal level and what they're paying at the state level. So they'll know what they owe this jurisdiction. Adding more warm bodies won't catch a person who's failing to file a paper report with the city. It just won't. Treasurer Sharrer: And that is true. However, RITA's information is the same information that we get after a year. It's a year once they file their taxes. When they file their taxes here ... Mayor Mason: City, state, or local? Treasurer Sharrer: The IRS data that they're pulling is already a year behind when they get it. When they file a paper tax return here, we ask them for their federal returns as well. So we go through that same type of thing. It may not be as efficient as RITA does because theirs is electronic. They're probably using Al too. But we are asking for federal returns. When they file a paper return with us, we're asking for their federal filing as well. Mayor Mason: So what I envision is you'll always need at least one person to help with those members of the public who don't electronically file federal, state, or local. You'll always need that person. Plus you have thousands of paper files there. At some point in time, I don't know what your records retention on them is, but somebody is either going to have to digitize them or ultimately destroy them. Treasurer Sharrer: Yes, and that's what we're working on, yes. Mayor Mason: But I guess my point is, it would be so much less labor intensive to have the information that correlates the state and the federal filings. And then like, I file electronically state and federal, but then I also file paper with Rob. So, what this would allow me to do, and my accountant to do, is file all three at the same moment electronically. So at that point in time, you're getting my money. Nobody has to touch my paperwork, and it's all more confidential actually. Treasurer Sharrer: And I obviously, one of the things I do agree with you, Mayor, is that we need the ability to have our citizens file electronically, and we are working on that portion of it outside of the RITA system. Page 6 of 16 Ways and Mean s Committee Meeting 10/20/2025 Mayor Mason: Are we doing that? Lisa Hittle: Not from our standpoint. Mayor Mason: I don't know who's doing it. Treasurer Sharrer: No, my department is looking at, we have been looking at how we can digitize our records and how we can accept e-filing. Mayor Mason: We don't have, you haven't talked to any vendors about it, then? Treasurer Sharrer: No, I have not. Kathy, I know reached out to one. Mr. Ballmer: Mr. Law Director, sir. Law Director Tarbert: Yes. Mr. Ballmer: Anything from your position? Law Director Tarbert: Yes, and I'm going to go back and forth from the Law Director to citizen and former councilmember if that's okay. First, a decision by Council to go to RITA isn't as simple as just voting to switch to RITA. We would have to, either Council, I assume me, Rob, we would have to go through our City of Zanesville ordinances because the Treasurer's Office collecting income tax is woven throughout several chapters in there. So, it's not as simple as saying, hey we're switching to RITA. I mean, it' s going to require some time, I assume a Council subcommittee or something to go through there and figure out which, I mean we're going to have to change, maybe delete a chapter, but we're going to have to change a lot of things within our code. Okay, so it's not an easy decision to do that. The question I would have I guess is as a citizen, what problem is Council trying to solve? I don't know of a problem that has been reported with our income tax people. Would it be nice to file electronically? I guess so, sure. And Rob said he was working on that. But, to me, it's just giving up local control. I mean, what are we doing if it would be easier or the Mayor just said less labor intensive. You know, okay, get rid of me, and turn it over to the prosecutor. Get rid of the Mayor, and we'll just have the County Commissioners. I mean, the point of this government, including the Treasurer's Office, is just to have some local control. Rob' s going to best know what's best for our citizens. Are we doing development or what are we looking at here? RITA's not going to know about that. And saying RITA knows where people live, where people work, if any of you read the reviews online, that's the biggest complaint. RITA's just reaching out. There's no one to talk to. If you get mad here with your taxes or want to question, you know where to go. Can you imagine? Again, I just can't imagine scheduling an appointment with RITA, going up there, talking to this kind of faceless, nameless, do they care about Zanesville, anything like that? The proposal potentially is getting rid of one more aspect of just our local control and local government. To me, one of the reasons I voted for Rob or one of the job duties I knew the Treasurer had when we all probably voted for Rob was income taxes. Rob was voted into the office on the assumption that his office that Rob was going to be in charge of collecting income Page 7 of 16 Ways and Means Committee Meeting 10/20/2025 taxes. So, again, I'm not trying to be too dramatic, but in some way, you are taking the aspect of local control away from the voters who chose Rob to do a whole lot of the things, including collect their local income taxes. So, I guess, again, Law Director, I'm saying, sure. If Council wants to do this, fine, but it's going to require a lot more work than just a simple ordinance. It's going to require probably, I don't know, 2, 3, 6 months of going through our code, figuring out where to pop RITA in, figuring out where to get Rob out and do all sorts of things. But then I would just challenge Council, I guess, as to what problems have you been hearing from your constituents about income tax that you think that switching and getting rid of local control, a local face, a local contact is going to solve? So I would just, again, caution you on really considering giving up one more aspect of our local government. Mayor Mason: I've repeatedly said that I think the Treasurer's Office needs to have a person there to handle the questions and to help people with their paper filings because not everybody files electronically. Mr. Ballmer: All right, thank you. Are there any questions from the committee at this point? Mr. Taylor-Lehman: I have a question. Mr. Ballmer: Mr. John Taylor-Lehman, please. Mr. Taylor-Lehman: Rob, I remember you mentioned that there's a big project that you are currently working on, was it the pay? Treasurer Sharrer: Timeclocks, we're trying to finish up the timeclocks. Mr. Taylor-Lehman: If, and I'm not going to hold you to it, but when would you be ready? A year? Two years? Treasurer Sharrer: Potentially, if it makes sense. Again, you know, the Mayor has said, I've not talked to RITA myself, and that's an accurate statement. I didn't. I came and listened to the same presentation that you guys heard. I've talked with different people in the financial industry, whether it be other treasurers. He mentioned Chris Kirby down in South Zanesville. I' ve talked to several accountants. I've talked to our old Budget & Finance Director, Kade. Again, he and I talked about the possibility and what the pros and cons were of going to RITA when I first came in, when I was first appointed to take over for Dave Wolfe. You know, I made the joke, I think I told Council at one point in time, I made the joke, well, what does a Treasurer do? Dave, what do you do? He says, I handle investments, I handle income tax, and I handle payroll. And I said, so I put all of our money in our STAR Ohio, I put income tax in the hands of RITA, I hire an outside payroll company, and my job is done. I made that joke ... M r. Taylor-Lehman: Little did you know. Page 8 of 16 Ways and Means Committee Meeting 10/20/2025 Treasurer Sharrer: Yes, little did I know that. Would I? I guess the first and foremost thing that I would do, I wouldn't look at it until Kathy was retired . Kathy Robinson, who runs Income Tax, has worked for every Mayor and every Treasurer that we've had as the city. She's the new Mary Bush, if you will. She's been here forever. I think it just makes sense. After she transitions out, it may be time to look at it. But again, I'm a firm believer just as the Law Director said, why would we want to give up that local control? And I, like you and like David and probably many of you on Council, have looked at the reviews, and nobody likes it. Mr. Taylor-Lehman: Thanks. Mr. Ballmer: Other questions? Yes, Mr. Vincent. President Vincent: If I could, just a couple of things here and you may not have an answer to this. Mr. Tarbert, did you find anything in Ohio Revised Code that supports like in the 80's saying that the Treasurer has to be in charge of income taxes? Law Director Tarbert: Well, yes, if RITA didn't exist or was forming right now and we were their first one, I would say yes, there is a provision there that says that Rob is in charge of receiving all income for the city and in charge of distributions. I would argue that that includes income tax. Now clearly, that must have been brought up or RITA wouldn't exist. So, somebody must have raised that already, somehow RITA got around it, and so, no, the answer is that I'm sure that whatever RITA's doing is legal. Again, if this were a first impression, I would say yes there's a code section that says Rob's clearly in charge of receiving all income from the city. For whatever reason, RITA must have been a carve-out to that Revised Code section. So I'm sure it's legal. Mayor Mason: RITA is a Regional Council of Governments. Their CEO is an attorney. I brought this to her attention. She said there are 650 members in Ohio. She said no one's ever raised that as an issue. President Vincent: Yes, and I wasn't questioning as far as RITA being legal. I was just saying does it fall with the Treasurer? Still required to fall with the Treasurer as it did in the 80's, that's what was stated at least in Council minutes, that it was required by the state. Law Director Tarbert: Briefly, Ohio Revised Code would say yes. But again, I'm sure RITA is legal or it wouldn't be in existence. President Vincent: And the second thing, we won't have an answer to this I'm sure but maybe someone does, RITA, the big benefit there is the fact that they' re able to look at these records and supposedly be able to f ind people that aren't paying their taxes that should be paying the taxes. Bigger cities, I think it's 250,000 or greater, are allowed to have that information for their own tax offices to deal with it there. Why, because we are a small city, can we not have that information to do it locally? To be able to look that information up and figure it out from there? I don't know the complexity of it. I don't know how the larger cities get that. And maybe there's a huge cost involved with that. I don't know, and maybe it' s more complicated and be more expensive than hiring RITA to do that part. It just doesn't seem fair because we're a smaller city we can't get that information to benefit us? I don't have an answer there. I Page 9 of 16 Ways and Means Committee Meeting 10/20/2025 doubt that anyone here does. But, I did question that. I do like the idea of local control. It sounds very important. Thank you. Mr. Ballmer: Thank you. Is there any other discussion or questions? Well, it seems that this is, of course, a very important issue. There are lots of details and though we've made some progress here in committee, it probably would be a good idea to allow full Council to at least discuss this. Right now with the disagreement between the Mayor's Office and the Treasurer's Office, we need to make sure that things are resolved and we go in the right direction. And so, it would be my recommendation at least on a discussion level, that all of Council gets to hear it because if we're going to have to undertake this ourselves, it would be important for us to be able to do that. I will leave that to Council President to figure out when to work that in and get that taken care of and try to get it to Council here as quickly as we can, as soon we can, so we can start working through this. Because again, I know there's a timeframe, January pt and usually July pt are the times that RITA likes to take over and start working. So, I'm not sure what the January timeframe looks like, but if we're going to move forward with it, then at least we can discuss it and decide we want to go this direction or we don't. Then all of Council would be involved in that. Law Director Tarbert: But I have a question, and I guess we can work through it. We've had work sessions before obviously. You're not going to be able to take a vote. I mean, I'm not sure what the consensus is going to be without an ordinance in front of Council to say, we want to go to RITA, and then have a discussion on that issue. Are you just thinking of a work session and then you're going to have an informal vote? President Vincent: Yes, we were just looking at it. And something the Mayor had mentioned too, wanting all of Council to hear this, just thinking it is pretty complex. We made a lot of progress here. The committee has done a great job and so on. But this is pretty detailed. The feeling is that Council should hear all the details. As far as your question about moving forward, I mean I guess we could do like committees and have a draft of an ordinance. But you also said there is all these other things that had to change then too. Law Director Tarbert: That's what I mean. It would be a whole lot of work that we would probably rather not do if the feeling was that Council or this committee or whoever was going to recommend rejection of RITA at least at this point. So, I mean I guess we could do a... President Vincent: Council-as-a-whole, we can't? Law Director Tarbert: I mean, we've done work sessions before and have a discussion. And I guess I can get the feel of the group. That's not going to prevent a councilperson or the Mayor from putting an ordinance before Council. Mayor Mason: I do have the ordinance before Council. I would push it to January 1 of '27 at this point. I don't think January pt of '26 is operational. I don't like midyear, July, because that means you're still filing two different ways. So it's gone this long, I would push it to January 1 of '27. If you're going to do Page 10 of 16 Ways and Means Committee Meeting 10/20/2025 Council-as-a-whole work session, I would love to go ahead and bring RITA to talk with us again over the web, another web presentation. President Vincent: Rather than driving down here. So if it's Council-as-a-whole and it's open public meeting, it's advertised. We can't talk about positions? As far as where we are? Law Director Tarbert: No, you can. President Vincent: Okay, and get a feel for where people are. Law Director Tarbert: You can, the same as this committee though could too, yes. President Vincent: So yes, I like that idea. There's a lot of information here. This is really complex. And the Mayor doesn't want us to have ordinances come that don't get passed. Mr. Hennessey: Personally I don't think the committee is ready to say either way yet, as far as the committee. President Vincent: Okay, that's good to know. Mr. Hennessey: I mean, I don't see that yet unless I' m reading it wrong. Law Director Tarbert: Just a question, I haven't been to these meetings, do you think the entire Council is going to hear anything different than what this committee has heard? Are you anticipating other... ? Mr. Ballmer: I don't think so at this point. I mean, the only advantage I guess that we have, have the two of you been to the presentation? (To Mr. King and Mr. Hennessey). Mr. Hennessey: I saw the original presentation, yes. Mr. Ballmer: Okay, so we have, I'm not sure how many other Councilmembers have. That would be the only piece, but I think the information that we have here, I don't know that there' s, I mean, it's going to end up deadlocked at this point, seemingly, exactly where we are, even if we have all of Council. But at least all of Council will have heard and been able to discuss, even if it's a work session. Maybe there's perspective that one of the other councilmembers have that we're just not thinking of at this point. President Vincent: Well I think with each meeting here as far as the committee and the presentation and the needs of committee, we've made progress each time, I feel. We're narrowing down and getting questions answered. All of Council as a whole, there might be some additional questions, stuff we've not thought of, or points that they have, like this part does sound good to me, and I think sort of thing. So I think the more minds here would be better. So, I think as a whole, and one more meeting on this is going to be good. Hopefully not a lot more meetings, hopefully just one. Mr. Ballmer: Mr. Taylor-Lehman? Page 11 of 16 Ways and Means Committee Meeting 10/20/2025 Mr. Taylor-Lehman : I'm not quite sure what you're saying to present to Council because if they haven't heard the back & forth, if they just see the presentation ... Mr. Ballmer: Well, we would have to have the Mayor's Office and Treasurer's Office back in. Mr. Taylor-Lehman : Okay, I wasn't sure if you were just trying ... Mr. Ballmer: Yes, they would have to be a part and would have to hear both sides. Mr. Taylor-Lehman: Okay. Mr. Ballmer: What the pieces are. President Vincent: Yes, they're going to have to summarize what their positions are right now. I know Rob's changed some things. The Mayor has changed some things. We all have time. We' ve heard from the Law Director that this is pretty complex. Two voices speaking at one time was hard to decipher. Mr. Taylor-Lehman: So, would we want them to see the presentation? Mr. Ballmer: Yes, and we would do that. Yes, that would be a part of it. President Vincent: So we are making progress. We' re working through stuff. Like I pulled up codified ordinances for the city, and I was surprised the number of times that it appeared in there. So there are some challenges. But I think as a group then, bring everyone together, and get this presented, and we'll go from t here. I think we'll find out more, and I think we'll be closer to an answe r. So, thank you, appreciate it. FLOCK CAMERAS REQUISITION Mr. Ballmer: All right. With that then, one item not on the agenda, but it was brought up today. There is a requisition from Zanesville Police Department on the flock cameras. I don't have a lot of information other than a requisition total that was given to me was $46,000. Mr. Mayor, what little you want to speak to this, just to make us aware, if you would, and then we'll see what we have going forward later on. Mayor Mason: And I don't know if you want a full presentation of the Safety Committee because I t hink the Police Chief and the Safety Director should be there then. So for those who don't know, within the last few years, I believe it was the Prosecutor's Office got a grant. Dave, if I forgot any part of this, please clarify. The grant provided two different tools for law enforcement. One was a camera system and one was a sound recording system. So, that if there were firearms, if there were shots fired, we could triangulate, we being law enforcement and Muskingum County, w ith in like 6 feet where the gunshot Page 12 of 16 Ways and Means Committee M eeting 10/20/2025 was. And that then would allow subsequently to review camera video to see basically possibly who had been in the area and who had fired the shots. We've used, and we're not doing the sound system now. That, I think all parties agree, for what it was worth, there were too many false alerts. For example, when we were building the Dug Road, the pounding kept giving the sound of gunfire. But everybody likes the flock cameras. I believe the county is going to add more in the county. If you want to see what one looks like, I would encourage you to go to Lowe's. Sitting on Maple Avenue, you'll just see like a black dish, and on that you'll see a camera. And that literally takes a picture. You really need to sit through the presentation on this by the Police Chief because he could put in to the system the first three letters of a car and what color the car is and something like that, and it will bring up literally every time within these cameras, I think there's about 20 of them, that they've seen a white vehicle with that lettering. It's sort of scary and spooky, but it's great. We've used it to our benefit. Do you guys remember last year when we busted this jewelry heist that was going to take place? That was because we knew of the license plates that were from Georgia that triggered the camera. So that's how we were able to start looking. The long and short of it is I like the cameras. I thought we were going to get our share funded through the Prosecutor's Office. When all of these big cases are getting worked on when there's sales of equipment and cars and money capped, 50 percent goes to the Prosecutor, 25 percent goes to the Sheriff, and 25 percent goes to the city. When we bought the large bearcat recently for example, I believe $80,000 of that came out of that grant of money that the Prosecutor has. I think he has over a couple million dollars in it right now. And so, I thought we were going to ask the Prosecutor for money to be funding that. But that last conversation I had was probably 5-6 weeks ago. I wasn't aware that you were approached today or recently. But I think it's a great conversation for the Ways and Means or the Public Safety Committee to have. But I really think it would be great if the Police Chief could walk you through because again it's great to know when technology is working to your advantage. Somebody could say I saw a white BMW, and you put that in, and it starts pulling up white BMWs that might be in an area pretty quickly. Mr. Hennessey: How many of these do we have out right now? Mayor Mason: There's at least ten. I think there might be more than that. There's a couple in the county, but the grant is running out, and we have to buy them again. Mr. Hennessey: How many would this add? Mr. Ballmer: I believe what it says is it's just to renew the subscription for what we have now, if I'm understanding. Mayor Mason: Well, this is why we need the Police Chief. Mr. Ballmer: All I was given was an email with a number, so we don't know. But I just wanted to make you aware of it so that when it gets here, we at least have some idea that it's coming. Page 13 of 16 Ways and Means Committee Meeting 10/20/2025 Mr. Hennessey: Sounds like it works! Mayor Mason: But again, I'd really love to have the Police Chief show you how this works because it's a great tool! It's like having home security on your garage. This is the same thing, but it's on the street corner. Mr. King: Mayor, did you say we have a grant deadline for this? Mayor Mason: I don't think it's a hard grant deadline like what we're having on FEMA. This is just something that we want to renew. The grant that had been used by these is lapsing. We want to be able to keep the subscription going, and so that's why he was looking for more money for the subscription. I was just hoping to use the pot of money, because most of these cases end up as felonies, which are tried by the County Prosecutor. So, the flock camera helps the county. I don't know, David, does it help us much? I mean, have you used it at all in Municipal Court? Law Director Tarbert: No. Typically it would always go to the county. Sometimes if they kick it back to us for whatever reason, so yes, but only as something they rejected. Mayor Mason: Okay, so again, this is a tool, and it helps the Prosecutor's Office a lot. Mr. Taylor-Lehman: I'm not sure what you were saying about the finances, 25 percent here, 25? Did something change? Mayor Mason : Let me back up. So, the money I like to go after is money that comes from, I'll just call them "forfeitures." So when we have these big drug cases, and let's say $100,000 is generated from sales of real estate or vehicles or cash that was kept. Then the Prosecutor eventually gets 50 percent of that, the Sheriff gets 25, and we get 25. But that doesn't even reimburse us literally on our time. So what I was hoping to use for, I think that was $40,000. Dan, what did that requisition say? President Vincent: It was $46,000. Mayor Mason: So, what I was hoping is to apply to the Prosecutor's Office to pay for that, much like they did for, I think it was $80,000 on the bearcat. Because again, my theory is, this is a tool that really helps the Prosecutor with his cases. I mean, it takes bad guys off the street, which is a good thing. But it's really a tool to help them in their prosecutions. Mr. Ballmer: Are there any questions? Mr. Mayor, thank you. Mr. Treasurer, thank you. With no other discussion, is there anything for the good of the order at this point? The next Ways and Means Committee meeting is Monday, November 17, 2025. So, make a note of that. President Vincent: Mr. Chairman, just real quick, if I could please. Just to kind of add onto the discussion, I was just reading back through the emails I received today and that had to do with the subscription. It previously was paid for by a grant. By the way it sounds, the Chief thinks this is the city's part of the $46,000 as far as continuing the subscription. He also mentioned that the Mayor had met with Ron Welch Page 14 of 16 Ways and Means Committee Meeting 10/20/2025 and the Budget & Finance Director as far as on the plan, and it's just been held up as far as getting this payment. But if we can get this worked out... Mayor Mason: Did it say what our share was or how many cameras? President Vincent: No, it does not. Not, it's just kind of based on the subscription and wanting to get it paid. I got a feeling it was urgent, so that's why when I talked to Mark, we got it on the agenda for tonight. Amanda Perkowski: My recollection of that meeting was that I asked the county to provide details on how it was procured. They never got that information to me. And then the conversation just never got picked up. President Vincent: Okay, so we need more information. I was just concerned there was a deadline and we were going to lose service for this. Is this an urgent, emergency type thing? Do we have an ordinance? Does the Mayor know? These are all questions I had. Mayor Mason: Here's what I will do. I will check with Scott Comstock overnight. If there's some sort of a time crunch, I'll put together an ordinance for City Council. That way, you maybe can do it here and have a presentation, do a reading and have a hearing or something. I'm not aware of a time crunch in that sense. President Vincent: That was my only concern . So, if we could wait, then we'll take it to Public Safety and hopefully we'll have some more information so we can make sense of this because it sounds like we're missing a lot. Mr. Ballmer: We didn't mean to blindside you. We just wanted to make you aware so that if something does come up and is very urgent, that we can try to get it taken care of. We didn't mean to blindside you. Mayor Mason: It was about a month ago when we met on this, I would say. Amanda Perkowski: At least. Mayor Mason: Maybe August you think even? And no one's gotten back with us on where the cameras are going to be, how many there are going to be. Law Director Tarbert: Who's leading the charge? Ron or who did you meet with? Mayor Mason: We had Comstock and who else was in on our meeting? Was Ron Welch in the meeting? Amanda Perkowski: Yes! It was Ron Welch. President Vincent: Thank you sir, appreciate it. Page 15 of 16 Ways and Means Committee Meeting 10/20/2025 Mr. Ballmer: Thank you. Then, if there's nothing else for the good of the order, I'll entertain a motion to adjourn. Mr. King made a motion to adjourn. It was seconded by Mr. Hennessey. Mr. Ballmer: All in favor, aye. A voice vote was taken with all being in favor. None were opposed. Mr. Ballmer: We stand adjourned. Thank you very much for your time this afternoon and have a great evening. The meeting ended about 5:40 p.m. Regular scheduled meetings with the next dates as follows: Monday, November 17, 2025 Monday, December 15, 2025 Billie Corns, Clerk Chairperson of Ways and Means Committee Page 16 of 16 Ways and Means Committee Meeting 10/20/2025  ORDINANCE 2025-000 INTRODUCED BY COUNCIL ESTABLISHING A WAGE INCREASE FOR UNAFFILIATED EMPLOYEES IN THE MUNICIPAL SERVICE AND INCREASING THE PAY RANGES FOR EACH PAY GRADE COMMENSURATE WITH THE WAGE INCREASE SET FORTH HEREIN, AND DECLARING AN EMERGENCY WHEREAS, the City determined that its existing compensation and classification systems should be updated; and WHEREAS, the City passed Ordinance 2025-07, which governed the pay and benefit policies for unaffiliated employees of the City of Zanesville with an approximate effective start date of January 1, 2025; and WHEREAS, the Mayor has requested that all unaffiliated employees receive a four percent (4%) wage increase, consistent with union contracts; and WHEREAS, the pay ranges currently in place, as established in Ordinance 2025-07, need to be increased accordingly to avoid future compression of employees' wages within said ranges. NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT ORDAINED, by the Council for the City of Zanesville, State of Ohio, that: SECTION ONE: This Ordinance shall apply to employees in the service of the City who are not seasonal, elected, covered by collective bargaining agreements, or any others which are governed by separate ordinances ("Unaffiliated Employees"}, namely those positions set forth on Schedule B (attached hereto and incorporated as though fully rewritten herein). SECTION TWO: All Unaffiliated Employees shall receive a four percent (4%} pay increase effective the first pay period that includes January 1, 2026. SECTION THREE: Because incremental pay increases will cause an unintentional compression of wages within the pay ranges established in Ordinance 2025-07, it is necessary to increase the hourly and annual rates in said Ordinance by the amounts each time a pay increase is established. Therefore, the pay ranges set forth in Ordinance 2025-07 are hereby increased by four percent (4%) and shall be as shown on Schedule A (attached hereto and incorporated as though fully rewritten herein) until further modification. SECTION FOUR: Any part of any other ordinance or resolution inconsistent herewith is hereby superseded. Page 1 of 6  ORDINANCE 2025-000 SECTION FIVE: Any employee whose current rate of pay is above their stated pay range at the time of the effective date of this Ordinance shall not receive a reduction in pay, but shall have his or her pay "legacied" and shall continue to be paid their current rate of pay, including the pay increase set forth herein. SECTION SIX: Because this Ordinance needs to be enacted in conjunction with the union pay increase ordinances, and because a discrepancy in employee pay could disrupt the pay schedules for numerous city employees, thereby possibly affecting service beneficial to the health, safety, and welfare of the citizens of Zanesville, this Ordinance is declared to be an emergency measure. Provided it receives the affirmative vote of SIX or more members of City Council, this Ordinance shall take effect and be in force immediately upon its passage and approval of the Mayor. Otherwise, this Ordinance shall take effect and be in force from and after the earliest period allowed by law. PASSED: _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ __, 2025 Billie Corns Daniel M . Vincent Clerk of Council President of Council APPROVED: _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ __, 2025 This legislation approved as to form: Donald L. Mason, Mayor David Tarbert, City Law Director Page 2 of 6  Ordinance 2025-000 Schedule A PAY ANN UAL SALARY HOURLY EQUIVALENT GRADE MINIMUM MIDPOINT MAXIMUM MINIMUM MIDPOINT MAXIMUM 1 $26,140.49 $34,836.98 $43,558.98 $12.57 $16.75 $20.94 2 $28,512.26 $37,999.34 $47,511.94 $13.71 $18.27 $22.84 3 $31,139.06 $41,493.24 $51,872.93 $14.97 $19.94 $24.94 4 $33,969.88 $45,293.18 $56,616.47 $16.33 $21.77 $27.23 5 $37,081.24 $49,424.65 $61,819.08 $17.82 $23.75 $29.72 6 $40,473.13 $54,678.25 $68,857.88 $19.46 $26.28 $33.10 7 $44,171.05 $59,702.33 $75,233.61 $21.24 $28.71 $36.18 8 $48,226.01 $64,267.35 $80,359.69 $23.18 $30.90 $38.64 9 $52,638.02 $70,158.52 $87,704.46 $25.31 $33.74 $42.17 10 $57,458.07 $76,585.26 $95,737.95 $27.62 $36.82 $46.03 11 $62,711.68 $83,598.56 $104,485.45 $30.14 $40.19 $50.24 12 $68,424.33 $91,249.44 $114,049.04 $32.89 $43.87 $54.83 13 $74,698.04 $99,614.39 $124,505.24 $35.92 $47.89 $59.85 14 $81,532.83 $108,718.94 $135,879.55 $39.20 $52.27 $65 .33 Page 3 of 6  ORDINANCE NO. 2025-000 SCHEDULE B Pay Job Classification Grade Accounting Specialist 7 Admin Asst. to Auditorium Manager 4 Ad min Secretary to Community Dev Director 5 Ad min Secretary to Safety Director 5 Administrative Secretary to Public Service Director 5 Airport Manager 9 Assistant City Engineer 11 Assistant Jail Admin istrator 8 Assistant Law Director 13 Associate Planner for Planning & Zoning 7 Auditing Specialist 5 Budget and Finance Director 14 Building Inspector 10 Cemeteries & Parks Superintendent 11 Chief Probation Officer 9 City Engineer 13 City Maintenance Supervisor 9 Civil Service Employment Coordinator 5 Code Enforcement Officer 6 Code Enforcement/Building Inspector 9 Community Development Director 14 Council Clerk 7 Court Bailiff 6 Deputy Auditor 10 Deputy Court Bailiff 5 Deputy Court Clerk 4 Deputy Director/Public Service 11 Deputy Income Tax Administrator 9 Deputy Treasurer 9 Deputy Wastewater Superintendent 11 Engineering Technician 6 Environmental Coordinator 10 Executive Secretary to Mayor 6 Fair Housing Coordinator 5 Fire Chief 13 Fleet Manager 11 General Service Worker City Maintenance 4 GIS Specialist 11 Human Resources Manager 11 Page 4 of 6  ORDINANCE NO. 2025-000 SCHEDULE B HVAC Technician/Inspector City Maintenance 7 Income Tax Administrator 10 Income Tax Auditor/Investigations 7 Income Tax Clerk II 4 Income Tax Clerk Ill 5 IT Admini strator 11 IT Network Technician 9 IT Technician 8 Jail Administrator 11 Maintenance Garage Coordinator 4 Marketing and Events Coordinator 7 Master Electrician 10 Municipal Court Bookkeeper 2 Municipal Court Clerk 7 On - Call Administrative Assistant 5 Paralegal 5 Payroll Manager 5 Planning & Zoning Administrator 8 Plant Maintenance Mechanic/Foreman - Sewer 9 Police Chief 13 Property Room & Impound Clerk 7 Public Safety Director 14 Public Service Auditor 8 Public Service Director 14 Redevelopment Administrator 7 Refuse Collection Supervisor 7 Secrest Auditorium and Entertainment Director 13 Secrest Auditorium & Entertainment Deputy Director 10 Secretary for Parks and Cemeteries Superintendent 4 Secretary to Fire Chief 4 Secretary to Probation Officer 4 Secretary to Superintendent of Streets and Refuse 4 Secretary to Wastewater Superintendent 4 Secretary to Water Superintendent 4 Storm Water Program Manager 11 Street & Refuse Superintendent 11 Street Maintenance Supervisor 7 Traffic Signal Supervisor/Programmer 9 Traffic Signal Crew Leader 8 Traffic Signal Tech 1 6 Treasurer Office Assistant 4 Utility Billing Clerk I Unaffiliated - Part-Time 4 Utility Billing Supervisor 9 Page 5 of 6  ORDINANCE NO. 2025-000 SCHEDULE B Victim/Witness Coordinator 5 Wastewater and Storm Collections Supervisor 8 Wastewater and Storm Collections Crew Lead 7 Wastewater Lab Supervisor 9 Wastewater Superintendent 12 Water Maintenance and Metering Supervisor 7 Water Maintenance Crew Leader 6 Water Maintenance Crew Leader 6 Water Superintendent 12 Weed, Litter, and Property Preservation Manager 5 Weed and Litter Control Laborer 3 Page 6 of 6 Budget & Finance Director Amanda Perkowski ORDINANCE NO. 2025-000 INTRODUCED BY COUNCIL AN ORDINANCE AMENDING APPROPRIATION ORDINANCE NO. 2025-22 AND DECLARING AN EMERGENCY WHEREAS, it is necessary during the course of the fiscal year to make changes to the City's working budget; and WHEREAS, to keep the City's estimated revenues and appropriations as current as possible those changes should be made at least on a quarterly basis or when the need arises; and WHEREAS, without appropriate funding City Departments would be in jeopardy of providing efficient and reliable services, it is therefore in the best interest of the residents and visitors of Zanesville, to have this ordinance passed as an emergency. NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT ORDAINED by the Council of the City of Zanesville, Ohio, that: SECTION ONE: Exhibit #1 of Ordinance No. 2025-22, which established revenues and appropriations from January 1, 2025 through December 31, 2025, is hereby amended as indicated in Exhibit #1, attached hereto. SECTION TWO: For the reasons stated above, this ordinance is declared to be an emergency measure. Provided it receives the affirmative votes of six (6) or more members of Council, this ordinance shall take effect and be in force immediately upon its passage and approval of the Mayor. Otherwise, it shall take effect and be in force from and after the earliest period allowed by law. PASSED: - -- - -- -- - -- ~2025 ATTEST: Billie Corns Daniel M. Vincent Clerk of Council President of Council APPROVED: _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ __,2025 This legislation approved as to form: Donald L. Mason, Mayor Law Director's Office  Exhibit 1 Attachment to Ordinance 2025-000 Account Account Name Adjustment 101-3281-521 Employee Benefits $ (1,500.00) 101-3281-532 Contractual Services $ 1,500.00 101-44101 Court Fines & Costs $ (50,000.00) 101-7681-510 Salaries and Wages $ 8,000.00 101-7681-521 Employee Benefits $ (5,300.00) 101-7681-532 Contractual Services $ (1,000.00) 101-7681-533 Materials and Supplies $ (1,700.00) 101-7705-521 Employee Benefits $ (1,900.00) 101-7705-5701 Inter Fund Reimbursements $ 1,900.00 101-7721 -532 Contractual Services $ 50,000.00 101-7861 -510 Salaries and Wages $ (25,000.00) 101-7863-532 Contractual Services $ 25,000.00 201-1111-532 Contractual Services $ 13,500.00 201-1311-5701 Inter Fund Reimbursements $ (13,500.00) 270-1041-510 Salaries and Wages $ (28,050.00) 270-1041-532 Contractual Services $ 16,300.00 270-1041-533 Materials and Supplies $ 11,750.00 270-1041-534 Debt Payments/Miscellaneous/Special $ 35,000.00 270-1041-544 Capital Outlay $ 25,000.00 270-49198 Bond Proceeds $ (60,000.00) 354-49198 Bond Proceeds $ (5,500,000.00) 354-7951-534 Debt Payments/Miscellaneous/Special $ 192,000.00 354-7951-56185 Major Projects - American Rescue Plan Act Fund $ 5,308,000.00 602-2171-510 Salaries and Wages $ (5,100.00) 602-2171 -532 Contractual Services $ 1,400.00 602-2171-5701 Inter Fund Reimbursements $ 5,100.00 602-2311-521 Employee Benefits $ (1,400.00) 603-5470-510 Salaries and Wages $ (87,000.00) 603-5470-532 Contractual Services $ 98,000.00 603-5470-533 Materials and Supplies $ 15,000.00 603-5470-53428 Vehicle Lease Payments - Water Operations $ (40,000.00) 603-5471-532 Contractual Services $ 14,000.00 615-49196 State Grants $ (18,275.00) 615-49197 Federal Grants $ (347,225.00) 615-6415-54413 Airport Improvements - Airport Capital Outlay $ 365,500.00 650-5481 -532 Contractual Services $ (1,500.00) 650-5481 -5701 Inter Fund Reimbursements $ 1,500.00