Zionsville Board of Park and Recreation
Regular MeetingZionsville, IN · May 23, 2011
Minutes
Summary Minutes of the Meeting of the
Zionsville Park and Recreation Board
May 23, 2011
The Zionsville Board of Park and Recreation met Wednesday, May 23, 2011 at 7:00 PM.
Ellen Butz, Steve Mueller, Phil Howard, and Neil Clements were in attendance. Matt
Dickey, Superintendent was also present. Scott Bruns and Board Attorney Roger Burrus
were not present
Minutes
Phil Howard made a motion to approve the April 13, 2011 regular board meeting
minutes; the April 13, 2011 special board meeting minutes; and the May 13, 2011 special
board meeting (claims) minutes as presented. Neal Clements seconded and the motion
passed unanimously.
Public Comments/Presentations
Rod Reid, with RLR Consultants, spoke regarding the wayfinding/safety signage process
for Starkey Park and Rail-Trail. They indicated they had started with performing an audit
of these two sites and to researched various best practices and processes for locating
safety and wayfinding signage throughout the park.
RLR staff visited both sites on three different occasions and presented some of the
findings. At Starkey Park, the existing conditions and concerns include how to determine
where users are located in the park and seasonal flooding. They noted there are not
consistent enough tree size to support trail blazing efforts on tree trunks, and some of the
existing maps are not oriented in the same direction as the viewer. He also felt there
could be some clarity added to sign language as part of the signage system renovation.
Some of the same concerns were noted along Zionsville Rail-Trail, which has more new
users. There are also multiple access points, which adds to the design challenge.
Some areas of the trail are named for donors and there seems to be no set hierarchy to
naming efforts in relation to the overall Rail Trail name. This could confuse the new
users as to if they are still on the rail trail.
The consultants also made note of a few maintenance tweaks that they may recommend.
Mr. Reid showed Board members some examples of safety and navigational trail signage
as well as presentational styles and mounting schemes from other park systems.
The consultants will recommend placing trail maps at certain identified nodes, identifying
what the authorized trails are, identifying the service loop in a different manner, and
coordinate placement of signs with emergency personnel. They noted trails could be
named or numbered. Signage at the Rail-Trail could be lowered to roughly four (4) feet in
height to bring them to a more personal level. They also recommend directing to offsite
uses, and to establish a more clear trail nomenclature hierarchy.
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Mr. Reid presented some examples of trail signage and orientation for the Board to
consider using for Zionsville parks. He then asked for comments and input from those in
attendance on the presented wayfinding strategy and trail naming and identification
options/conventions. They would then move forward with developing different looks for
consideration.
Steve Mueller then spoke. While he appeared to not be against tweaking the signage
nomenclature/hierarchy along the rail trail, he cautioned that adjusting some of this rail
trail sub-names needs to be coordinated with the Park Board Attorney to avoid potential
legal issues that might arise from the way those may have been been conditioned upon
donation.
Phil Howard asked if the consultants had recommendations regarding names vs. numbers
for trails. The consultants indicated they had struggled with the pros and cons of both
methods. He suggested numbers might be better for safety personnel, and would require
less sign space. Mr. Reid specifically mentioned that a numbering system would be easier
and possibly more precise.... and on the other hand names might be more unique and
creative, if they became widely accepted and utilized by the users. It was also mentioned
there would need to be learning and acceptance process for the names and sometimes
certain names are not accepted. He also opened the door to the possibility of
combinations as life safety issues are balanced with the local "cultural" aspect.
Police Chief Rick Dowden and guest George Tikijian both spoke from the audience
without benefit of a microphone. Chief Dowden mentioned that from the public safety
viewpoint, the simpler the better. He pointed out that in an emergency situation people
forget the name on the trail sign they just saw or garble it. The point was from the public
safety view to try and design to protect from that. The Chief used a specific example of
SP-3, for Starkey Park, Trail 3, as a easier trail name to be remembered and used by
someone in distress. He mentioned that from the dispatch side they have some ability to
adjust for whichever approach may be used. This public safety-centered viewpoint would
be more to adjust for the errors inherent when th public is communicating during a life-
safety issue.
Former Park Board member/President, George Tikijian requested to speak from the
audience as well. He also spoke against the approach of naming the trails with
geographical and/or feature related names. he instead supported a more simple
letter/number system. While he began his comments supporting the public safety
recommendations from Chief Dowden, he went on to give other reasons why in his
viewpoint, geographical/feature related naming systems should not be used. He
mentioned that selected names have to be almost organically and universally accepted or
they won't "take". He went on to point out that at some time in the past there had been an
attempt to officially name the portion of the Rail Trail between the Nancy Burton and
David Brown portions. His discussion culminated in an example. His last point revolved
around the example that no one on the current park board or in the audience indicated that
they had ever heard the name "Primrose Path" or Primrose Trail"; his apparent point, to
how geographical and feature based naming while perhaps having more "romance" to
them can fail completely.
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When asked for comment, Matt Dickey also briefly mentioned that regardless of whether
selecting geographical or a simpler letter/number-based naming systems, that signage
space can be at a premium. Approaches need to be selected with that in mind as well. He
had previously pointed out that independent of what the names actually are, it would be
helpful from the maintenance point of view if certain key items are easily replaceable
without paying for and swapping out the whole sign. This viewpoint would suggest that
elements like logos and names, that are likely to be points of vandalism attack, or may
even just change over time, would be more flexible if be designed in such a way as to be
repaired/changed without having to supply/replace a whole sign.
Superintendent Dickey also mentioned that since the Consultants had pointed out the user
confusion challenges regarding the different rail trail signage/names; The pathway along
Eagle Creek, existing through several parks and connector corridors... could, if not
carefully considered, end up with the similar confusion problems.
As a summation President Butz and Mr. Mueller mentioned that there seemed to be
Board interest in naming if possible; but if not, or in cases where that is not the best
option, go with the numbering options.
Steve Mueller went on to note the potential desire to include rules and regulations in
conjunction with trail signage. Mr. Reid noted that type of information would be included
on some specific signs in certain key locations, but would not necessarily be widespread
throughout the park. Such signage can easily have a negative feel to it. The consultants
had already pointed out earlier that a significant portion of the currently existing park
signage is "negative" in nature and this can consciously and subconsciously color park
users attitudes towards their experiences and the department. Mr. Mueller also added that
there are more "off-trail" interest sites along the rail trail than the four or five shown
during the presentation.
The next presentation involved the Laurel Street/Rail trail connection. Councilor Art
Harris, in his role as Safety Board President, spoke by reading a letter from Fire Chief
VanGorder, regarding safety and EMS accessibility. According to this note presented to
the Safety Board President, the Laurel Street access point should be paved for optimum
safety and public use. Mr. Harris also raised the question as to whether non-paved trail
surfacing would meet ADA requirements.
Mr. Max Mouser with Beam Longest and Neff then spoke, introducing the overall Laurel
Ave/Rail Trail Connection Project and highlighting the trail, potential connections, and
parking situation. Mr. Mouser presented three options for connecting the Nancy Burton
parking area (on Starkey Road) parking lot with the existing rail trail. He noted not all
options would meet strict ADA applications for sidewalks-ramps and building entrances,
but some of the presented concepts would meet various portions of the multipurpose trail
guidelines from INDOT. Option one provides for a serpentine access trail, but require
more connector length. Option two moves the main rail-trail and could complicate future
addition of the previously considered picnic shelter. Option three re-grades and paves the
existing access route but with the steepest grade of the three options. In response to
questioning from Mr. Mueller, Mr. Mouser mentioned that none of these options were
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specifically designed for emergency vehicle access up from the Nancy Burton Parking
area. Instead he tried to design it in such a way that would not cut off such a potential use
access, as flexible options are better in terms of public safety. Mr. Mouser went on to
mention that from his recollection, in BLN's original competitive proposal, the most
robust ADA approach with full switchbacks and 8.33% max slopes and the required 5-
foot landings every 35 feet would have run an estimated $200,000.
Mr. Dickey noted that once the Board offers comments, BLM could go back and add
some detail (estimated costs, further design details, etc) to the Board-directed preferred
approach. Ms. Butz wanted to see the costs for Option 1 vs. Option 3. Mr. Mueller wants
function (access, connections, safety) first but needs to see the costs for the Laurel Street
portion before finalizing his thoughts. Mr. Mouser was directed by the Board to proceed
with the existing contract to prepare engineering on the three components and he will
come back with more detailed cost estimates for the Laurel Street extension and some
estimated costs for the parking lot connection and also for Pine Street entrance paving
extension potential. It is understood the Park Board may not chose to bid all of these for
construction at once depending on how the figures match up with the money they
targeted towards this use in the October 30th, 2010 Strategic Planning meeting. There
might be a potential to work with the Street Department on cost efficiencies (i.e., cost of
asphalt). (Subsequent checking has indicated this may be a possibility and BLN as the
Town Engineers are doing both sets of work, and as such, will evaluate which way the
project may be built more cheaply).
Staff Reports
The reports from the Superintendent of Parks & Recreation, the Assistant Superintendent
for Maintenance Services, and the Naturalist were all part of the Park Board packet and
available for review. Given the relative fullness of the agenda, President Butz asked staff
to forgo highlighting any staff report sections and merely address any specific questions
raised by Board Member's. No questions were raised by Board Members.
New Business
Matt Dickey reminded the Board that it has been customary to have a table at the Lions
Club Fall Festival. All Board members stated they want to continue this tradition and by
consensus directed the application for booth/table be submitted.
Old Business:
Mr. Dickey presented some information about the DNR/LWCF grant award. There is a
contract that must eventually be signed and sent to the DNR for their signatures.
Phil Howard made a motion to authorize the president’s signing the contract once Roger
Burrus has reviewed and approved it. Neal Clements seconded and the motion passed
unanimously.
Based upon the Board discussion/direction from the Oct. 30th, 2010 Strategic Planning
Meeting, Mr. Dickey presented information about the 400S parcel's topographical survey
process. Mr. Dickey noted Roger’s concerns that the potential additional donated parcel
also needs a legal survey, so that parcel was added to the proposal and is already reflected
in the proposal costs.
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Phil Howard made a motion to approve engaging EMHT for the project as identified in
the proposal. Steve Mueller seconded and the motion passed unanimously.
Mr. Dickey next presented information regarding the new 400S park site public charrette
and conceptual design process and asked for approval to move forward with REA for
conceptual design. Mr. Dickey noted this is similar to the Elm Street Green process. This
does not include construction documents and the process should take about nine (9)
weeks. Mr. Kevin Osburn with REA spoke briefly and described the conceptualization
process, the schematic design process, and the construction documentation process. He
noted this gets the Board further along towards engineering documents and eventually
final cost estimates.
Steve Mueller wondered how much additional public input does the project need,
considering they had input through the grant process. Mr. Dickey noted that in the past
specific Park Board members had indicated they wished more chance for public input on
this project and this process would also allow for more design refinement and to consider
items the public may not have voiced earlier. Mr. Mueller mentioned that certain
improvements are tied to the grant process. Consultant Kevin Osburn confirmed the
Department's approach, that these grant specific items could be covered ahead of time as
part of a charrette briefing to participants and the charratte, would still have value to the
public, the process, and the park.
Phil Howard made a motion to approve the proposal as presented (for $14,500 plus
reimbursables defined in the proposal in the NTE amount or $1,500). Steve Mueller
seconded and the motion passed unanimously.
Citizen Advisory Committee Reports:
Land Resources – Phil Howard. Phil noted this committee met and familiarized
themselves with existing pathways and associated projects. Their next meeting will be
spent getting familiar with current park assets. He also mentioned the Midland Trail did
get approved and is now under Boone County’s ownership. Phil noted the Ag Heritage
Trail is also moving forward and the next segment is north of Goodwin, so that might
help the Park Board move their own connections forward as well.
Finance/ Funding – Neal Clements. No report.
Communications – Steve Mueller. Steve noted the pathways and trail maps are now on
the website, but is unsure when the new park website will be up and running. He also
talked about getting the parks naming process out to the general public for their
suggestions. Ellen asked if this could be tied into the park design process, but it was
ultimately decided not to do that. Instead perhaps delay the naming process until after the
conceptual list of features begins to crystallize. Additionally, Steve also mentioned he is
trying to get photos of all the groups that helped with the garlic mustard pull. He is only
missing the Village group and will contact Chris Bucher to see if he has photos and is
willing to share. Mr. Mueller wants to get Therese to attend the July Board meeting to
give an update of nature programs. It was determined that this could be as a part of the
regular staff reports that is always on the agenda.
Recreation –Scott Bruns. In Scott’s absence, Phil mentioned the recent Family Fun Ride
Matt attended. The seven mile ride visits many Zionsville Parks and is very family
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friendly. Matt also mentioned he received several good comments about the parks and the
various areas of Town that can be experienced. Ellen also reported she and Scott met with
Zionsville Sports Association representative.
Facilities– Ellen Butz reported she and Matt will be meeting soon with realtors regarding
Elm Street Green flooding. Phil complimented the garden plots efforts of the department.
Other Board Related Items
None
Claims
None (handled at other meeting)
The meeting was then adjourned, with a motion made by Phil Howard and seconded by
Neal Clements at ~9:00 PM.
______________________________ ____________________________
Scott Bruns, Secretary Ellen Butz, President
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Agenda
Zionsville Board of Parks & Recreation
Regular Monthly Meeting Agenda
Monday, May 23, 2011 at 7:00 p.m.
Zionsville Town Hall, Bev Harves Room
Call to Order/Roll Call
- Approval of the April regular meeting minutes (4/13/11).
- Approval of the April special meeting minutes (4/13/11).
- Approval of the May special (claims) meeting minutes (5/13/11).
Public Presentations/Comments
- Presentation on Wayfinding/Safety Process for Starkey Park and Rail-Trail from the Consultants
- Presentation on Laurel Street/Rail Trail connection from the Consultants (Town Engineer)
Staff Reports
- Department Superintendent
- Assistant Superintendent for Maintenance Services
- Zion Nature Center, Interpretative Naturalist
- Park Board Attorney
New Business
- Possible action regarding a table again this year at Lions Fall Festival
Old Business
- Possible action regarding acceptance of DNR/LWCF Grant award
- Possible action regarding Goodwin Topographical Survey process (per Park Board discussion and consensus from 10/30/10)
- Possible action regarding Goodwin Public Input/Conceptual process (per Park Board discussion and consensus from 10/30/10)
Updates on Park Board's Citizen Advisory Committees (various Board Chairs)
Other Board Related Items
- None Identified
Claims
Adjournment
- Next regular meeting is currently scheduled for 6/8/11 at 7 PM
FYI: Occasionally, at the end of the Park Board Member’s Packets, are placed a series of informational items. Generally not for Board action, they
serve to provide additional detail about parks-related topics (but not necessarily direct business items). Newspaper clippings might be one example.
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