Zionsville Town Council
Regular MeetingZionsville, IN · December 16, 2024
Minutes
Zionsville Town Council
December 16, 2024
ZIONSVILLE TOWN COUNCIL
MEETING MINUTES
FOR
DECEMBER 16, 2024
AT 7:30 A.M. EST
ONSITE MEETING
1100 West Oak Street
This meeting was conducted onsite. All Councilors participated in person.
Council Members Present: Jason Plunkett, President; Brad Burk, Vice-President; Tim McElderry,
Craig Melton, Evan Norris, Sarah Esterline Sampson, and Joe Stein
Also Present : Heather Harris, Town Council Attorney; Mayor John Stehr; Deputy Mayor Justin
Hage; Cindy Poore, Director of Finance & Records; Jarod Logsdon, Superintendent of Parks &
Recreation; Roger Kilmer, Senior Planner; Lance Lantz, Director of DPW; Amy Lacy, Municipal
Relations Coordinator; and other Town Department Staff
OPENING
A. Call meeting to order
B. Pledge of Allegiance
Plunkett All right, good morning. I will now call to order the Monday, December 16, 2024
Town Council meeting. If you would please, stand and join me for the Pledge of
Allegiance.
All Pledge of Allegiance.
APPROVAL OF THE MEMORANDUM OF THE DECEMBER 2, 2024 REGULAR
MEETING
Plunkett All right, first item on the agenda is the approval of the December 2, 2024 Town
Council meeting memoranda. A copy has been posted. Are there any questions or
comments from Councilors?
Sampson I have a correction, sorry. Page 48 – it says inaudible. It should say John Stehr.
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Plunkett All right, any other questions or comments? Otherwise, I would entertain a
motion.
Sampson I move to approve the –
Burk Second.
Sampson Oh, okay.
Plunkett First from Councilor Sampson, second from Vice President Burk. All those in
favor signify by saying aye.
All Aye.
Plunkett All those opposed same sign.
[No response]
Motion passes 7 in favor, 0 opposed.
APPROVAL OF THE DECEMBER 16, 2024 CLAIMS
Plunkett Up next is the approval of the December 16, 2024 claims. Are there any
questions from Councilors? If there are none, I would entertain a motion.
Norris Move to approve the December 16, 2024 claims.
Stein Second.
Plunkett First from Councilor Norris, a second from Councilor Stein. All those in favor
signify by saying aye.
All Aye.
Plunkett All those opposed same sign.
[No response]
Motion passes 7 in favor, 0 opposed.
REQUEST TO SPEAK
Plunkett All right, up next is a Request to Speak on Agenda Item. I have one request to
speak. Amy, do you have anymore down there?
Lacy No, I do not.
Plunkett All right, so we have Michael Strohl. Michael, if you would, when you come up
to the microphone, you’ll have 3 minutes. If you would, just state your name and
address for the record and then I’ll start your timer.
Strohl Thank you. I probably won’t take 3 minutes, but I appreciate the time.
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Plunkett All right.
Strohl My name is Mike Strohl. I live at 755 Sugarbush Drive here in Zionsville. I’ve
been a resident of Zionsville for 23 years now, raised my family here, love this
community and I’m here today to speak actually in support of the proposed sewer
rate increase which is not something you wake up at 7:30 on a Monday morning
and hope to do, but I’ll do it.
In my professional capacity, I’m a Senior Vice President with Citizens Energy
Group in Indianapolis where I’ve worked for nearly 25 years now, the last 13 or
so of which have been managing the waste, water and wastewater utilities in the
City of Indianapolis and in Westfield. So I tell you that – I’m not here in my
professional capacity, I’m here as a resident but I tell you that to let you know I
have a little bit of experience in understanding what it takes to manage
wastewater systems and first, I’d like to commend Lance Lantz and his team.
They’ve done a really nice job of managing this utility for a long time without a
rate increase. I think it’s been like 14 years or so and wastewater utilities are very
difficult to manage. They’re very capital-intensive businesses, they have lots of
mechanical systems that fail over time, systems needing to be upgraded to
support growth in the community and to support economic development, lift
stations need to be expanded, electricity and chemical costs are the big drivers
behind them so, they’re really quite necessary. Nobody likes doing it. You, as
Council members don’t like approving anything that raises costs for citizens.
Lance and his team don’t like recommending it and certainly residents and
customers don’t like paying it but they are a necessary requirement of running
these systems so.
I looked at the Crowe and Baker Tilly studies. They are both very recognized,
incredible consultants in the world of utility rate making analysis and I think
they’ve done a nice job and so I know it’s a large increase and I know it’s hard
for you all to, to support but at the same time, you’re doing the community a
favor by supporting that and expanding those systems. So, that’s all I’ve got.
Thank you.
McElderry Thanks Mike.
Norris Thanks.
Sampson Thanks Mike.
MAYOR/ADMINISTRATION UPDATE
Plunkett All right, we will move onto the Mayor/Administration Update and we have
Mayor Stehr with us this morning.
Stehr Good morning everyone.
McElderry Good morning.
Stehr First of all, I’m happy to tell you that we have a new Executive Assistant to
introduce today and to get her, we dove deep into the Zionsville pool and found a
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lifelong resident to fill that role. Jenna Butler, she’s in the audience here sitting
next to Alexa. She grew up here, she’s a graduate of Zionsville High School. She
and her husband are raising their two children here and sending them to the same
schools that she went to when she grew up and today is her first day so we’re
going to make sure that Jenna gets around to meet all of you and I have no doubt
that she will be a great addition to our staff and also a great forward-facing
person for the town, representing the town to the people of Zionsville. So, Jenna,
welcome.
The next item I have is the S&P Report. In your packet is the Standard & Poors
Report that was issued on December 6th. Now, just a little bit of background here
that I think is important – the S&P lowered our credit rating in October of 2022
from AA+ to AA with a negative outlook. At the time, S&P cited a failure of
internal controls, a lack of transparency, poorly performing financial software,
failure to comply with state reporting standards and internal disputes between
elected officials and it’s been no secret, it’s been a focus of mine, my
Administration and the Town Council to turn this around and we have addressed
all of these issues head on including hiring an employee in Finance who’s
primary focus is to make sure that all monthly and annual engagement with the
state is up to date and I can tell you this morning that that is the case. So, in
recognition of those efforts, S&P has removed the negative outlook from our
bond rating which now stands at AA with a neutral outlook. And in its report,
and I think this is very important, S&P said notably, the town recently
implemented a long-term capital and financial plan to assist in budget
development and the strategic spending of reserves on capital projects. It plans to
update this document annually. In addition, over the past year, the management
team has adopted an internal control, investment, debt management and reserve
policy.
This is a very positive development for our town and it’s an indication to the
marketplace that we are on track with our finances and now what we need to do
is show consistency over the long term. This is one of those things that it doesn’t
take long to lose it but it takes a while to get it back so S&P will continue to
monitor and may consider upgrading our credit rating in the coming years and as
the fiscal body of the town, I just want to say I believe that, that you deserve
much of the credit for this and I want to thank you all for your good work on
behalf of the town to help get us to a better place financially.
The next item that I have is the Board and Commission Appointments for 2025.
Also in your packet you have my appointments for the various Boards and
Commissions for next year. I have 35 positions to fill before the end of the year
and I’m not going to name them all but I will say that they do represent a cross-
section of our town. We have Republican and Democrats, men and women, rural
and urban residents and I believe they are among the best of us in Zionsville. It is
always impressive to me to see the number of gifted and experienced and
accomplished people we have in Zionsville and their willingness to step up when
you ask. At the same time, I want to acknowledge those whose terms will end at
the end of December. Thank you so much for your efforts on behalf of our town.
Your, your efforts have truly made us better as a town so I want to thank
everybody who is willing to step up and do that. The new Board and Commission
members will take their seats on January 1st.
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One other quick note here – the Mayor’s Youth Advisory Council, it’s underway
with a new term and we have 22 students engaged. They have already met with
several Councilors and other elected leaders and department heads. They’re
planning a trip to the State House to meet with our state lawmakers in the spring.
They’re also working on a service project for the town and they’ll present to you
on April 21st what they have learned and offering some ideas for the town based
on their point of view. It’s not going to be a long, drawn out presentation but I
think it’ll be a very pointed presentation and I think if you spend some time with
these young people you see how impressive they are and I’m sure that this will
not be a waste of time, it’ll be a good use of time not only for, for this body but
for the town to hear what our young people have to say.
One important note as I sign off here – the Town Hall will be closed for the
holidays on December 24th and December 25th and also January 1st. We will be
open for business all other days on the normal business days. So, so that’s all I
have this morning. I just want to take a moment though and thank the Council for
your positive engagement this year. I think it’s been a very positive year and I
think we have a great foundation to build upon for 2025 and I just want you to
know that I appreciate all of you very much, so thank you.
McElderry Thank you Mayor.
Stehr Any questions or any thoughts?
Plunkett Thank you.
Stehr Okay, thank you.
OLD BUSINESS
Consideration of an Ordinance To Rename the People of Zionsville for the
Aesthetics of Zionsville (PZAZ) to the Zionsville Tree Board Ordinance 2024-41
(Final Reading)
Plunkett All right, first item of Old Business is a Consideration of an Ordinance to
Rename the People of Zionsville for the Aesthetics of Zionsville or PZAZ to the
Zionsville Tree Board. This is Ordinance 2024-41. This is a final reading. We
certainly have folks available to talk on this. Again, this is the second time we’ve
heard this, so any questions or comments from Councilors?
McElderry Mr. President, I’ll just add there is in the composition of the committee, there is a
point where it suggests that the Town Council should appoint one non-voting
secondary school student as an advisor. I’ll be working with the Mayor and the
Deputy Mayor to try to identify that student so that we do have a complete group
but otherwise, I have no other comments to make.
Plunkett Perfect. If there are no other comments, I would entertain a motion.
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McElderry I’d like to move that we approve Ordinance 2024-41 on final reading with one
slight change in Section 31.25(A)(4) it does require a space between a non-voting
advisory member of the committee, so that’s just the only minor change.
Plunkett Yes, I see that.
Burk Second.
Plunkett I’ve got a first from Councilor McElderry, a second from Vice President Burk.
All those in favor signify by saying aye.
All Aye.
Plunkett All those opposed same sign.
[No response]
Motion passes 7 in favor, 0 opposed.
Amy, do you see that spot on there or Heather, do you see that?
Harris Yes.
Plunkett Okay, perfect.
Harris We talked about it. Thank you.
Establishing the Non-DLGF Budget for 2025 Ordinance 2024-42 (Final Reading)
Plunkett Great. All right, next item of Old Business is the Consideration of an Ordinance
Establishing the Non-DLGF Budget for 2025. We have Cindy Poore, Director of
Finance and Records here for Councilors if there are questions.
Poore Good morning.
Norris Good morning.
Plunkett Morning.
Sampson Good morning.
Poore So sorry, hang on one second. Do all of you have the presentation in front of
you?
Norris Yes.
Poore Okay. Before I get started, there was a revised ordinance that was sent out on
Friday. Did everybody receive that? Okay. Okay, so to get started on the 2025
Non-DLGF budget, there’s a few things that I want to go through and point out.
The first is the non-DLGF budget is much different from the budget that we
passed in October. This one your, your revenues are not going to equally offset
your expenditures and there are many reasons for this. One, a lot of this budget is
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made up of fee-based funds that may sit for a while as they accumulate before we
decide that we need to appropriate anything out of them. It could also be bond
proceeds or grant proceeds where you get one disbursement but the project may
be over multiple years so that revenue is not accounted for every year but the
main thing to remember is that the expenditures are generally going to be greater
than what the revenues are showing, okay?
A little bit of history – going back to 2022, it shows you what previous non-
DLGF budgets that were approved and how the revenues and the expenses
compare to each other. I will say I had the updated slide deck just on the
expenses. In our Finance committee meeting on Friday with a discussion between
Parks and Councilor Sampson, we did decide to decrease the, one of the Park
impact fees by $225,000 so the expense line is actually $11,039,429.63. So that’s
the amount of the ordinance that you received on Friday that you have in front of
you.
The estimated amount of revenues for ’25 is $6,695,270 and here again, even,
even when we do budgets these are, these are estimates. We go through historical
information and so forth but it’s never 100% so and that’s the same with
estimating revenues. In 2025, I know there was a question about the $15,000
from the golf course in the Park. That was correct. Next year the revenue that we
get in from the golf course is split 25/75 so 25% of it goes to the Park and 75% of
it goes to the golf course fund. The minimum amount that we would receive from
the golf course is $50,000 because in the agreement it’s $50,000 or 10% of the
greens fees, whichever is greater. So what we’ve calculated this on is the
$50,000.
McElderry The greens fees were about $300,000 last year, is that correct?
Poore Correct, yes. So the $35,000 for the golf course has been added to the revenues
for the 2025 budget.
Sampson That was what, what was missing last time when I was asking where the, where
the –
Poore Right.
Sampson $50,000 added up –
Poore Right.
Sampson It only showed $15,000.
Poore And there were three increases to park donation estimates as well for 2025, a
memorial bench, there, there was a change in their general and their memorial
tree.
For expenditures, I want to point out that in the original one I had accounted for
the RDC bonds and the reason for that was I hadn’t received the spending plan
for RDC yet and wanted to make sure that those bond payments were accounted
for. Since we had to go back in and redo some of this, I took those out because I
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have received the RDC spending plan and so I took the bond payments out of this
which also lowered the overall expenses. Just to point out –
Plunkett Cindy?
Poore Yes?
Plunkett When you say you pulled those out –
Poore Yes –
Plunkett If you, so you were waiting to get the spending plan from the RDC to make sure
they had the revenue to cover it on their end?
Poore Right and I knew they would have the revenue it’s just that I hadn’t seen the
spending plan from RDC to make sure that they had those payments budgeted.
Plunkett Okay.
Poore So I just wanted, was trying to cover my base there.
Plunkett Okay.
Poore Yes. And I know you had a question as far as the transfers and what those lines
consist of. The EMS transfer line is, the EMS fund is used to bring in the
ambulance revenue and that’s the only thing that that fund is used for. So
periodically throughout the year once that fund gets to a certain balance, we
transfer that money out and we put it into the Fire Operating account and so, but
we have to estimate how much we’re going to do throughout the year so that’s
what that transfer is. The other transfers are for bond payments. The Zionsville
EDA transfer that goes over to the 2010 sewage works SRF that the Oak Street
helps pay for the Town Hall lease payment and then we do monthly transfers out
of the wastewater fund and those funds help pay the sewage works revenue bond
of 2015 and both the 2019 sewage works bonds. The total amount, here again,
the total amount of the budget that we’re presenting is $11,039,429.63.
Sampson So those EMS funds are from the ambulance runs?
Poore The ambulance revenues. We have a billing service that takes care of the billing
for that and so we have a separate fund set up for that strictly for that billing
service to work with and but we don’t, we don’t pay anything out of that fund
whatsoever.
Sampson So aren’t we anticipating that number to go up this year with the fee increase
reflected in the budget?
Poore Yes. And with the revenues even if it isn’t, that’s something here again, they’re
estimates and it’s nothing that we, unless there’s a lot more and we need to do an
additional which you’ll see later on out of the transfer fund, I mean it’s still, we
can still move the money back and forth.
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Sampson I was just thinking I would anticipate that to be a higher transfer number if we’re
anticipating higher fees. I don’t know – am I not thinking about that right? I
mean if we’re going up on fees because we’ve raised that, wouldn’t that increase
our –
Poore Well, and we also account for that revenue. We don’t, when, when we’re
budgeting that revenue is accounted for in the DLGF fund or budget because we
account for it in the Operating fund for the Fire Department but –
Sampson As a fee it’s in the DLGF?
Poore As revenue because here again, the fund that we’re transferring out of is basically
just kind of a passthrough.
Sampson Okay.
Poore Yes. So, a summary – the 2025 estimated revenues are $6,695,270 and the
proposed budget is $11,039,429.63 which is, the budget is at 40% less than 2024.
Estimated revenues are about 8% less than what was for 2024. Any questions?
Melton Cindy, you mentioned that the EMS you would transfer that fund out, those
dollars and there’s some kind of trigger or some price point of when we do that –
Poore Right, we just –
Melton Just curious, what’s that number?
Poore Usually we like to leave around $50,000 in that account and then once we get a
fair amount over that, then we’ll move over the money.
Melton And one other question – it says Fund 4446 on Oak Street EDA transfer –
Poore Yes –
Melton What’s that EDA stand for?
Poore Economic Development Area.
Melton Area? Okay, so I think that’s important just to kind of call out as it’s –
Poore And those were ones that I, some of them I think that I took out but since there
was, President Plunkett had a question, I went ahead and I wanted to put a
description in there as to what those were for.
Melton That’s great. Thank you.
Plunkett Cindy, if there are parts of this that are not approved that just simply sits in the
account and it can come back next year for an additional appropriation, correct? I
mean it’s not like this is lost money.
Poore Right.
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Plunkett Yes. I mean I would have some questions around, I know I asked this last time
about the Parks impact fee, both old and new, and I noticed there’s been some
changes and I understand why those changes have taken place but I guess the
question I have is the Parks Board is it’s own entity, right? I mean it, it approves
and recommends and etc., etc. for the Parks Department. All other departments
have to come to the Town Council for approval which is why we’re in this spot
and I feel like there’s some really good detail around what a lot of this stuff is
being used for and I guess my question and maybe it’s for Jarod but has there
been an approved impact fee spending plan by the Parks Board?
Poore I don’t know if, Jarod may need to answer that. I don’t know if there’s been a
specific spending plan for the impact fees. I’ll let Jarod answer that.
Logsdon Good morning Council. Jarod Logsdon, Superintendent of Parks and Recreation.
While there has not been an official plan developed for the impact fee, there was
both an action plan developed in the 5-Year Master Plan for prioritizing projects
as well as the narrative to utilize impact fees whenever it’s appropriate for one of
those projects. So that’s exactly what we’re proposing within this budget request
for 2025. As we look at the action plan, Carpenter Nature Preserve Phase I was
proposed in 2023 to begin building in the budgets and the Mulberry concession
stand was built into the 2024 budget. So, playing catchup on those projects and
utilizing impact fees as they are appropriate. But concerning an actual plan, we
did have a public discussion at the most recent Park Board meeting concerning
the Board’s comfort with issuing this many impact fees and realizing that will
leave less for future projects and it was understood and discussed publicly and
then proceeded with the vote.
Plunkett Yes, I mean, I think the from my perspective and I know it’s been kind of a
sticking point for me is just the timeline, the phases, the, etc., etc. for Carpenter
and I know we’re lowering the Mulberry Fields concession stand number to a
number that was presented to the Parks Board. I just wonder why we wouldn’t
request an official impact fee plan for these spends knowing that once they’re
gone, they’re gone, right? And again, as we just talked about before, even if
they’re pulled out until you have an opportunity to get that spending plan done
with the Parks Board so that there’s just another layer of accountability because
right now like the Parks Board is your accountability. They’re the ones that, that
you answer to and the ones that, that would give us direction certainly in a spend
like this as opposed to all of the other departments come to us for those requests.
I just feel like that’s probably something that needs a little bit more due diligence
as it relates to that particular spend. I understand the Mulberry Fields concession
stand. I’m assuming that’s already out for RFP or RF – your guys are already
getting responses for that or?
Logsdon Yes, we have bid and have selected an award –
Plunkett Okay.
Logsdon Contingent on next year’s funding.
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Plunkett Yes, yes, I mean, I feel like that’s something that to your point, it was formally
introduced and supported by the Parks Board. From my perspective, I personally
would like to see, I have no problem with the budget as it’s presented here.
Maybe just after the next Parks Board meeting or the next couple Parks Board
meetings when you have an impact fee spending plan for the rest of that, I would
feel more comfortable reappropriating that next year for those projects and
having a little bit more of a dialogue around it so.
Sampson Yes, I actually, adding onto that have requested Jarod to be more forthright with
contingency fees and not just presenting the numbers that don’t include an
amount that he’s already calculated and anticipated because I think that’s where
for us to rely on our Parks Board, we need to know that they’re getting the full
picture as well and that’s kind of the pushback that I had from last time was I
watched your Parks Board meeting, this is the amount you said, that’s the amount
we want to approve as a Council. I mean, if you look at, if you looked at his
original ask, there was a 15% continency request and I just felt like that seemed a
bit broad and that it would, in my mind if we’re signing off on amounts, I felt
like we should have that belief that our Board that we’ve helped select at the
Parks level, had had a chance to know about those contingency fees as well. So
that’s just some conversation that Jarod and I have been in with Mayor Stehr and
it seems that that message has been heard and he has said he would be more
forthcoming with contingency fees which is why the new write out we got
showed that he had 2% contingency built into the 2012 impact fees and about 8%
into the 2022.
I did notice that the Carpenter Nature Preserve restroom went up and that was a
point I had talked about where he had listed items such as earthwork and utilities
and foundational costs but it didn’t seem that he had put any of those costs in and
I said I feel like we’re just going to run into wondering how you went over your
budget but you still had three line items so, I did not anticipate you to move the
Carpenter Nature Preserve amount up to a round number that matched the
Mulberry. I see some of the logic behind it but I would’ve liked more of a
numbers-based move instead of backing into it with this is the money I have left
in that 2012 and that’s just me voicing my pushback at you but I do think
knowing that he can’t spend these items on anything except the restroom and
concession stand from the 2012, I’m gonna trust the process but I’m gonna watch
the process because what he doesn’t use goes back into that fund. It can’t go for
other things so there’s kind of the check and balance there but just we as a
Council should continue to have someone watch the Parks Board presentations so
that we know that we have someone watching over the due diligence of the
process. Again, it’s just, it felt a little bit backed into for the 2012 impact fees but
I do think we have great projects that we’re working on and I do support having
our parks improved, it’s just the numbers part is what speaks to me as well so.
Thank you for considering my request.
Plunkett So the Mulberry concession stand goes from $1.2 down to $980,000, is that
right?
Logsdon Correct, and just to clarify – the number discussed at the December meeting is
truly only for the award of that potential contract. It doesn’t include any
contingency.
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Sampson And I think that is mention it to your Board because if someone had, if someone
voting had a gut level of I’m not voting for a penny over a million dollars and
then they’re presented the $980,000 but it might be $1.2, it’s just, that’s the
clarity I was asking for but I do feel like we’re communicating well and that we
all just need to continue to watch.
McElderry I have a question real quick on Fund 6607 for the golf course – the construction
for $100,000. That is for the restroom on hole 6, is that correct?
Logsdon Yes, it would be for a pavilion with two individual stall restrooms that are ADA.
McElderry And that, that will be a project that will be completed in 2025?
Logsdon That is dependent on the operator. So, within the contract with the operator for
the golf course, they are able to request up to $100,000 a year for capital
improvements to the golf course so that, that is that process. They made a
proposal to the Board which was approved so that was incorporated into this
document.
McElderry And what is their, what is the management company’s contribution to that
project? Is that a 50/50?
Logsdon At least 50%, yep, but I believe it’s slightly more as their projections were
slightly over $200,000.
McElderry Thank you.
Burk Jarod, that reminds me of and maybe you can clarify this – in the contract with
the golf course I believe it’s a 5-year contract, but there was a stipulation that if
improvements to AV, I think it was $100,000, continued the contract can you
explain that again to me?
Logsdon Yes, so there is, as they complete capital projects from the actual completion
date, that extends the contract to a full 5 years again. So it can never go beyond 5
but that end date can continue to move based on capital improvements to the
course.
Burk Even though the town is – are you, are you supplying that, the $100,000 to help
pay for the restrooms? Does that count towards the AV? So the town is
essentially paying for the AV to increase their own lease term?
Logsdon So these capital improvements are going to stay with the golf course even if the
management team were to leave so, the funds utilized for those requests are from
the enterprise fund of golf course. So it’s never going to be tax funds or anything
else, it’s strictly golf course proceeds from the past funding future developments
and Cindy mentioned the split, so each year a little bit more will be replenished
into that fund but once it’s spent down, the contract or the operator won’t have an
opportunity to request it until it’s built back up. So there are some level of checks
and balances within that fund as well just to its limited size.
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Sampson I think it’s around about $380,000?
Logsdon Yep, just –
Sampson $380,000 so if we do $100,000 –
Melton That’s what’s in the fund now?
Sampson Yes.
Melton I think I requested that last time, last meeting –
Sampson Yes.
Melton Was a balance on that, so about $380,000?
Logsdon Yes and it’ll receive $35,000 this year from this year’s, well, actually, 100%
sorry – $50,000 this year.
Melton $50,000, right?
Logsdon Yep.
Melton So we’re bringing in $50,000 and then you can give them $100,000 if they match
a 50% project –
Logsdon Yep.
Melton So –
Sampson Wait, it got $50,000 or did it only get $15,000 or $35,000? Which one of those?
Logsdon This year is a prorated year because they started in April but for the first year of
the contract it was 100% of that 10% green fees or $50,000. Next year it’ll be a
75/25 split with the non-operating or the Non-Reverting Operating of Parks and
after that it’ll be a 50/50 split.
Burk Thanks Jarod.
Plunkett So I guess I do have another question about the old impact fee. It says that we’ve
got construction for $2.014713 and if the Mulberry Fields concession stand went
from $1.2 down to $980,000, why are we still advertising for the $2?
Sampson They put it into a 2% contingency fee for $54,000.
Logsdon The goal is still to utilize 2012 first for applicable amenities just to, because that,
that fund is not going to grown anymore. We have a new impact fee plan so now
we’re shifting to the ’22 so it’s to sunset the 2012, ’22 will continue to grow until
we establish the ’27 and then move toward, always moving to the current impact
fee.
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Plunkett So what we’re talking about is the old and the new impact fees. The old impact
fee has a budget spend of $2 million dollars. The new impact fee has a $600,000
spend. The $600,000 spend for the new impact is the impact fee 2022 for the
Carpenter Nature Preserve for parking, trails, shelter. The remaining $2 million
dollars is split between Carpenter Nature Preserve restroom pavilion and then the
Mulberry Fields concession stand, assuming the Mulberry Fields concession
stand is still $1.2 million dollars? Because you add up the $1.2 and the $814,000
and you still get the $2 million dollars. So there was never, there wasn’t an
adjustment to the Mulberry Fields concession stand going from $1.2 to $980,000.
Logsdon That was changed in my memo. So if you look at that and as well as the 2022
request has reduced essentially in an equivalent amount to the Mulberry
concession stand change. So, again, a restroom could be funded from either the
2012 or the 2022 impact fees so utilizing 2022 as our contingency for those two
very large projects.
Plunkett So the ordinance, the ordinance that I have from my packet –
Sampson Well they sent something this weekend.
Poore There was an updated ordinance that shows the $225,000 decrease that was sent
out Friday after we had the meeting with Councilor Sampson.
Plunkett Okay.
Sampson This number down here –
Poore So the 2022 was reduced down to $375,000 from $600,000 and Amy does have
those updated ordinances.
Lacy Right. You would have with the paper packets, you still have the old ones.
Plunkett Well, that would make sense as to why I have an inaccurate budget. All right, any
other questions for Councilors?
Stein I just have a comment to the overall process – that sounded really loud. We
talked earlier, Mayor, you talked about our D&B and that there was a lack of
transparency in the past that we’ve worked very hard to overcome and it has
already shown that it’s improved our rating. As it pertains to this budget, I just
think that if we are, I mean, if we have nothing to hide then let’s be overly
forthcoming with the information. And when I look down at a budget that shows
revenues far less than our expenses, just and I understand it and but for our
conversations that we’ve had amongst ourselves, I’m very comfortable with this
but the appearance of it to somebody who doesn’t have the privilege to have
those conversations that I’ve had, would look down at this and go this is a bad
thing. We’re $5 million dollars under budget. And so there’s no information for
the public to consume to say oh, I get it. Here’s where the shortfall is going to be
coming from and so don’t know if it’s footnotes, if it’s an addendum or
something to be able to show the public where the additional funds are going to
come from if they choose to have it. I just am concerned because to me it, I don’t
want to, I don’t want anybody to ever say this seems like a shell game because
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we’re pulling money from these funds that were from way back. It’s true, we are
and it’s legitimate and the budget works but it doesn’t give the appearance that it
works and so that’s what I’m trying to avoid. I don’t want anybody to look at us
going they don’t know what they’re doing, look at these, look at this budget. The
budget is going to – I mean it’s just a budget to start with and we know no
budgets are ever perfectly correct.
Poore We’ll, we’ll work to finetune that, yes.
Stein I just want, it’s appearance and I think when it goes back to the transparency that
D&B referenced, the fact that we’re giving the information even though it’s not
required of us, takes us a step ahead when it comes to transparency. I think that
allowing people who live in Zionsville to see the full picture benefits everybody.
That’s just my opinion.
Sampson I think that’s why we asked for the fund balances last time. So I do think one
thing that would’ve been good to point out is that the $2.14 million in the 2012, it
in itself is one of, if the difference is $5 million – I thought it was a little less than
that but that’s $2.14 of it and I think that’s something where we could be
footnoting or somehow adding. I know it’s not required in the budget process but
for, like you said, just disclosure to the people who do click on the links in the
agendas because there are many, many people who do because they call me and
reference things that they’ve seen. It would be, it would be worthy of their
attention so that they can answer their questions as well.
Poore Okay.
Burk I agree. Even on that coversheet where you just show expense and revenue, even
just another line of revenue, former revenue from previous funds could just show
how that balances out.
Poore Okay.
Stein Thank you Cindy.
Sampson Thank you Cindy.
Poore You’re welcome.
Plunkett Are there any questions or comments from Councilors? I mean I would go back
to I’m inclined to approve or support this budget, I just feel like specifically the
conversations we’ve had this morning – every other department, every other
group, every line on here seems pretty specific and I just personally for me, I
would feel more comfortable approving the Park impact fee money beyond the
$980,000 that was approved and supported by the Parks Board, I would feel more
comfortable approving those after there’s a Parks Board approval of an impact
study, impact fee spending I should say. So, that’s my personal thought. I’m
certainly open to thoughts and comments from Councilors.
Sampson The only last thing I had seen that was a big number was the sewage works
construction of the $1.2 and I have all my trust in you, Lance. Have we had that
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number specifically been put out to the public or I know we have a lot going on
over at wastewater.
Poore Those are bond proceeds for project.
Lantz Correct. That was a lot of steps for me to say Cindy was right. That is the balance
leftover from the 2019 sewer works bond that was initially visioned to pay for
four projects including Holliday Farms and extending sewer capacities up
Willow Road. That remaining amount we just got word from a legal
interpretation that when you borrow money you have to tell them specifically
what you’re going to use it for, right, and we have a legal opinion now that we
can use that $1.2 million for our main lift station upgrades so we’re very excited
about that because that’s going to ease the pressure on the sewer rate and the
demands, sort of phase 2 as we get into those fifth and sixth years of the spending
plan for the wastewater utility.
Plunkett All right, any other questions from Councilors? Having none, I will make a
motion to approve the 2025 Non-DLGF budget with the amendment to, or to
lower Fund 4672, the old impact fee down to the $980,000 for the Mulberry
Fields concession and removing the $600,000 from the new impact fee until there
is a impact fee study spend approved by the Parks Board and also as previously
amended on final reading.
Norris Second.
Plunkett Second from Councilor Norris. All those in favor signify by saying aye.
All Aye.
Plunkett All those opposed same sign.
[No response]
Motion passes 7 in favor, 0 opposed.
Poore Thank you.
Plunkett Thank you.
Consideration of an Ordinance Regarding a Sewer Rate Increase
Ordinance 2024-43 (Final Reading) (Public Hearing)
Plunkett Up next is a Consideration of an Ordinance Regarding the Sewer Rate Increase.
This is Ordinance 2024-43. This is a final reading. We have Lance Lantz,
Director of DPW, here.
Lantz Good morning, again.
Plunkett Good morning.
Lantz I’ve asked Danny Stogsdill to join me up here. I wanted to recognize him and his
staff. It is through their diligence, ingenuity, expertise and professionalism that
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has allowed the sewer system to continue operating at the high level it has in
these lean years. So rather than a wave to the back of the room, I wanted him up
here front and center as we consider this final action and you may be tired of
hearing from me alone so perhaps he has something to contribute.
Two meetings ago, you heard from our town accounting firm, Crowe. They
walked through the process at arriving at an updated sewer rate which has not
changed in, in 14 years and, of course, that rate proposed a single-family
residential rate is increasing from $44.50 to $56.85. Again, this is a fixed or a flat
rate as the town has utilized for a number of years, probably around 20 years.
At your last meeting two weeks ago, you introduced this ordinance amending the
rate and we had a rather valuable, I think, and robust discussion on some of the
perceptions around a fixed rate and why it is really not in the best interest of
either the ratepayers or the added burdens it places on the Administration of the
utility and I thought I would share something so you don’t think this is just us
talking. This is directly off the IURC website from the Office of the Utility
Consumer Councilor. Most sewer utilities, most costs including the cost of
wastewater collection and treatment, do not vary appreciably over time. Any cost
that might vary would likely be minimal and would balance out over time in most
cases involving metered wastewater rates. A large portion of the bill is set as a
consistent flat amount. So recognizing that you cannot be an expert in your own
community, I thought I’d share that because that does come directly from the
IURC.
So your action tonight is to conduct a public hearing or this morning, getting a
little ahead of myself –
Sampson It feels like we’ve been here forever.
Lantz Is to hold your public hearing. As a non-regulated utility, non-regulated by the
IURC you are charged with establishing a fair, equitable, a defensible and
sustainable rate for the utility that you own and manage so you will open your
hearing, listen from your ratepayers, close your hearing and then take action on
what you have before you and we would, of course, be here for any way we can
support you throughout this morning.
Plunkett Thank you Lance. Are there any questions from Councilors?
McElderry I just have one real quickly – as you’ve mentioned, we went 10 years between
rate increases –
Lantz 14.
McElderry Thoughts on how long this rate would be in, in place before we potentially think
about –
Lantz Yes, thank you for asking that. I highlighted this at the introduction and I
appreciate you drawing that to another audience’s attention. Within this
ordinance includes an intent to address this rate or evaluate it at least every four
years. That doesn’t mean necessarily there will be a rate increase every four years
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but we will make the pointed effort to make sure we don’t get as far behind the
curve as we are.
McElderry So a minimum of four years it would be in place?
Lantz Correct, correct.
McElderry Thank you.
Plunkett All right, as Lance mentioned, this is a public hearing. I have proof of publication
of the Notice of Public Hearing. At this point I’ll open the public hearing if
there’s any members of the public who would like to speak. Seeing none, I’ll
close the public meeting. Any other questions or comments from Councilors?
Otherwise, I would entertain a motion.
Norris I make a motion to approve Ordinance 2024-43 on final reading.
Harris May I offer just as amended. There’s a few nonsubstantive revisions but they’re
just grammatical.
Norris Okay. I’ll withdraw the motion. I will make a motion to approve on final reading
Ordinance 2024-43.
Melton Second.
Plunkett We have a first from Councilor Norris, a second from Councilor Melton. All
those in favor signify by saying aye.
All Aye.
Plunkett All those opposed same sign.
[No response]
Motion passes 7 in favor, 0 opposed.
Consideration of an Ordinance Establishing a Disability Committee
Ordinance 2024-44 (Final Reading)
Plunkett Up next on the agenda is the Consideration of an Ordinance Establishing the
Disability Committee. This is Ordinance 2024-44. This is also a final reading.
Are there any questions from Councilors? We have the Deputy Mayor with us
this morning.
Hage Thank you Mr. President. The only thing I’ll point out is their one substantive
change is to add an additional non-voting member that may be appointed by the
Town Council and may be a member of the Town Council as it was suggested at
the last meeting.
Plunkett Any other questions from Councilors or any comments? Having none, I will
move to approve on final reading Ordinance 2024-44 as amended.
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Sampson Second.
Plunkett A second from Councilor Sampson. All those in favor signify by saying aye.
All Aye.
Plunkett All those opposed same sign.
[No response]
Motion passes 7 in favor, 0 opposed.
Hage Thank you.
Plunkett Thank you.
Consideration of an Ordinance Regarding Political Signs
Ordinance 2024-45 (Final Reading)
Plunkett Up next is a Consideration of an Ordinance Regarding Political Signs. If there are
questions, certainly I can answer those and Heather can as well but as we talked
about last time, this is just simply an opportunity to limit the amount, the total
number of political campaign signs at the Town Hall polling location so.
Sampson And we kept it at two from last week or two weeks ago’s meeting. I just wanted
to mention that because we can always increase it if we get feedback that that’s
prohibitive.
Burk Can I ask a question Jason – does it include also, can we only, do we only have
jurisdiction here or can we, can we can’t do it at the library?
Plunkett Yes, just here yes.
Burk And then on the two, was there a sign, was there a size of the signs? Are we
running the risk of large signs now?
Norris There’s a size limitation.
Plunkett Yes.
Burk Okay.
Norris I think it’s on the first page.
McElderry 2 feet by 3 feet.
Plunkett Yes, yes 24 x 36. All right, any questions from Councilors? I’ll make a motion to
approve Ordinance 2024-45 on final reading.
McElderry Second.
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Plunkett A second from Councilor McElderry. All those in favor signify by saying aye.
All Aye.
Plunkett All those opposed same sign.
[No response]
Motion passes 7 in favor, 0 opposed.
Consideration of an Ordinance Revising Nepotism and Conflict of Interest Rules
Ordinance 2024-46 (Final Reading)
Plunkett All right, up next is Consideration of an Ordinance Revising the Nepotism and
Conflict of Interest Rules. This is Ordinance 2024-46. If there are questions,
Heather certainly is available to answer those. Is there anything from Councilors?
I would entertain a motion.
Harris And there are just a couple of revisions. In the findings we just added the words
to Boards, Commissions and Committees and then there’s a few nonsubstantive
cleanup items.
Plunkett So would this also be as amended, Heather?
Harris Yes, please.
Plunkett Okay.
Stein I make a motion to approve on final reading Ordinance 2024-46 with
amendments.
Plunkett I got a first from Councilor Stein.
Burk Second.
Plunkett Second from Vice President Burk. All those in favor signify by saying aye.
All Aye.
Plunkett All those opposed same sign.
[No response]
Motion passes 7 in favor, 0 opposed.
Consideration of an Ordinance to Repeal Inactive Boards/Commissions
Ordinance 2024-47 (Final Reading)
Plunkett Up next is a Consideration of an Ordinance to Repeal Inactive Boards and
Commissions. Again, Heather or myself can speak to this. I know there were a
couple of changes on this as well. Heather, if you want to maybe –
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Harris There are – in Section 2 or Section 3(A) we added for a committee – Board, a
Commission or Committee that is organized by the town via ordinance because
there are some that are executive order and additionally, we added that they may
be dissolved by the Mayor instead of shall giving some discretion to look at
whether or not a committee needs to remain and then lastly, also in that section
we added some new language to say that 30 days prior to any dissolution, it shall
be distributed to members of the Town Council for review. The Town Council
may object to the dissolution of any Board, Commission or Committee on the
dissolution list by a majority vote of the town in a public meeting prior to the
expiration of the 30-day notice period. Again, that gives more transparency in
terms of what would be dissolved.
Plunkett All right, any questions from Councilors? I’ll make a motion to approve
Ordinance 2024-47 as amended.
Sampson Second.
Plunkett Second from Councilor Sampson. All those in favor signify by saying aye.
All Aye.
Plunkett All those opposed same sign.
[No response]
Motion passes 7 in favor, 0 opposed.
Consideration of an Ordinance Amending the Pathways Committee Ordinance
Ordinance 2024-48 (Final Reading)
Plunkett Last Old Business item is a Consideration of an Ordinance Amending the
Pathways Committee. This is Ordinance 2024-48. This is also a final reading and
there were not really a lot of changes to this one Heather.
Harris There’s one change in Section D(3) and it just strikes the word in order just for
better grammar. Consider budgeting finance feasibility to make
recommendations to the Town Council upon request.
Sampson Did we not want anyone to be a two-year member?
Melton We discussed that with the Pathways Committee and we all kind of determined
that with it being kind of a volunteer committee that some people will want one
year, some people want to stay on five years and we didn’t want to limit it or
forcibly say hey, you’re on for two years. So I think ultimately this ordinance as
amended will work with all the parameters that are included with the one-year.
Sampson So you feel this –
Melton As well as the budget, as well as the changes presenting in the second quarter to
try and get on the budget radar so. We had a meeting this week, it was a great
meeting but I think we went over this at that meeting and I think it was
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understood that one year still is a good baseline. And actually with that, I think
I’ll motion to approve the Ordinance 2024-48 with amendments if you’re asking.
Plunkett First from Councilor Melton.
Sampson Second.
Plunkett Second from Councilor Sampson. All those in favor signify by saying aye.
All Aye.
Plunkett All those opposed same sign.
[No response]
Motion passes 7 in favor, 0 opposed.
NEW BUSINESS
Board and Commission 2025 Appointments –
Resolution 2024-17
Plunkett All right, the first item of New Business is a Consideration of 2025
Appointments to Various Boards and Commissions and Committees. This is
Resolution 2024-17. This is not an ordinance, it’s a resolution and only requires
one vote. I want to take a minute and just thank all the Councilors for your
feedback on various appointments and recommendations to Boards and
Commissions. I want to thank the folks who have previously served on Boards
and Commissions and, obviously, the folks that would like to be on and are being
appointed for the next year and in some cases the next couple of years. Certainly
not lost on me is the impact that a lot of folks have on this town for decades to
come when they serve on Boards and Commissions and these decisions often are
not easy and we have an engaged Council and an engaged community and it’s
just important that we make sure we consider, consider all voices and make sure
that we’re doing the right job up here from the Council seat. These Board and
Commissions, like I said, impact the town for decades and I appreciate
everybody’s input and engagement so. Questions or comments from anybody or
Councilors? Having none, I will make a motion to approve Resolution 2024-17.
Norris Second.
Plunkett A second from Councilor Norris. All those in favor signify by saying aye.
All Aye.
Plunkett All those opposed same sign.
[No response]
Motion passes 7 in favor, 0 opposed.
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Petition for Alley Vacation – (Dunitz)
Ordinance 2024-49 (Public Hearing)
Plunkett Next item of New Business is a Petition for An Alley Vacation. This is
Ordinance 2024-49. We have Roger Kilmer here with us today to go through this
and do we also have the petitioners?
Dunitz Yes.
Plunkett Okay, perfect.
Kilmer Good morning Councilors.
McElderry Morning.
Kilmer Roger Kilmer, Senior Planner with the town. Before you this morning for your
consideration is a request to vacate a portion of a 10-foot-wide north-south alley
located between Fourth and Fifth Streets south of Ash Street. The petitioner,
Dunitz 2020 Trust, represented by Scott Dunitz, filed this petition with Amy
Lacy in her office and Amy asked for some assistance in processing this through
and so that’s where we step in and try to help out. It should be noted that – and I
will put this up on the screen for you so we can talk about – the portion of the
alley under consideration has been highlighted in yellow. Again, it is a 10-foot-
wide strip measuring 120 feet southward from Ash Street down to another alley.
This was all platted within Cross’ Fourth Addition to the town so it is a platted,
platted public right-of-way and as Indiana Code requires, any consideration for
vacations of public ways comes to the local governing body which is, which is
the Town Council in this situation.
It should be noted that in addition to the Dunitz request, the additional property
owners on – and let me clarify – the Dunitz own the property shown as 445 West
Ash Street so that’s on the east side of the alley. The owners of the property on
the west side addressed as 475 West Ash, the family is the Voigts. They have
also submitted a consent to this vacation. That was part of the materials so they
are not in opposition to this. Those two properties are the only two properties that
would be directly affected by this vacation. It is an unimproved right-of-way.
Materials for this requested vacation were distributed to all members of our TAC
committee. That includes town departments as well as emergency services, Fire,
Police and also utility agencies that, that serve the area. No one responded with
an opposition to this, however, Department of Public Works as well as two of the
utilities did request that this, even if this request for vacation would be approved,
that the area be retained as an easement for utilities, either existing or future use.
So staff is not opposed to the requested vacation of this but do, do recommend
and suggest that the area be retained as an easement for those utilities. I’ll be glad
to answer any questions you might have and, again, the Dunitzes are here to
answer questions as well.
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Plunkett I hate to have you come up to the microphone just to ask one question but the
recommendation from the town to maintain the area as a utility easement – does
that impact your desire at all?
Dunitz Not at all.
Plunkett Okay.
Dunitz Our plan, we’ve been here for about four years in the Village and enjoying it.
I’m, we kept two homes in Tulsa and here, Tulsa, Oklahoma and here. I’m
retiring so we’re going to be here more. What we’d like to do is add a porch to
the, toward the front to the north and in order to do that, according to Todd
Rottmann, who is doing our design phase, we needed an additional square
footage for coverage of the 35% coverage and that’s why we’re requesting the
alley vacation just to add additional land that we can cover in the front with a
porch.
Plunkett Yes, perfect. Thank you.
McElderry Will that require a variance if that is an easement to put the porch in?
Dunitz My understanding from Mr. Rottmann is that we would be below the 35%
without the need for a variance.
Burk I was going to ask the same question so thank you Jason. Because anyone, I
mean, obviously, this is really just impacting two homes there. Is, is anyone else
using this alley? Do we see any concern about having it no longer available?
Dunitz It’s just between the Voigts and us and we’ve talked to the Voigts and they don’t
seem to have any concern for that. We’re going to leave it as it is. We’re not
changing anything in the alleyway.
Melton Question for Roger real quick – public right-of-way versus the utility easement –
what is the use change with regards to what you can do in that space? Or is there
a change? I know it goes split now goes to their parcels and allows them to utilize
the additional percentages for lot coverage but is there a use change between
utility easement and public right-of-way with regards to plantings and structure?
Kilmer Theoretically, yes there is a difference. In practicality in this situation, again, this
is an unimproved alley and there are already utilities, overhead lines in that area
so the change from this being vacated from a public right-of-way to, to an
easement in practical application there would be no change in use here.
Melton So, again, I guess I would want to reiterate the fact that because it’s becoming a
utility easement or it’s going to be maintained as a utility easement, that nothing
should be built in that easement so that there can be access by the utility
company in the future and I just wanted to clarify that. If we’re going to do this
and give this public right-of-way, vacate it, just want to make sure for the record
that we understand what that really means from the usable standpoint of it versus
the theoretical lot coverage.
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Kilmer You are correct.
Melton Fantastic. Thank you.
Sampson Is this currently like a rock road for the alley? Is –
Dunitz Say that again.
Sampson Is it currently covered in stone or is, is –
Dunitz The alleyway?
Sampson Yes.
Dunitz No, it’s primarily grass. There is a small wall within that area that we share
between the Voigts but otherwise it’s grass.
Plunkett All right, this is a public hearing and I have proof of publication of public
hearing. At this point, I’ll open the public hearing if there’s any members from
the public who would like to speak. Seeing none, I’ll close the public hearing.
Heather or –
Norris We’re working through the –
Harris TAC –
Norris We’re talking through the mechanization.
Plunkett Yes –
Harris This hasn’t been through the Plan Commission, correct? It’s, so it’s just a first
reading?
Kilmer It has not been through the Plan Commission and, again, as this is a public right-
of-way, the responsibility of the vacation falls on your shoulders. It will not be
presented to the Plan Commission.
Harris Yes, so this will just be a first reading.
Plunkett So it’ll be a first reading here and then we’ll hear it again at the next meeting. Do
we need to amend any motion to maintain the utility easement?
Norris If you look at Section 3 on the second page it spells it all out in there. In the last
sentence it even says the rights afforded to the town in this Section shall also
apply to any and all independent utilities legally operating within the State of
Indiana.
Plunkett Perfect. All right, any other questions from Councilors? Otherwise, I would
entertain a motion.
Norris Motion to introduce on first reading Ordinance 2024-49.
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Melton Second.
Plunkett We have a first from Councilor Norris, a second from Councilor Melton. All
those in favor signify by saying aye.
All Aye.
Plunkett All those opposed same sign.
[No response]
Motion passes 7 in favor, 0 opposed. Thank you.
Consideration of a Resolution Regarding the Appropriation of Additional Funds –
Year End
Resolution 2024-18 (Public Hearing)
Plunkett Up next is a Consideration of a Resolution Regarding the Appropriation of
Additional Funds. This is Resolution 2024-18 and we have Cindy Poore, Director
of Finance and Records with us for this.
Poore So every year towards the end of the year, we come before you with additionals
and right after this it’ll be reappropriations just to clean up some year-end items.
The additional appropriations have been advertised and you should have a copy
of the ordinance and the narrative behind it if you have any questions.
Plunkett Are there any questions from Councilors for Cindy? As she mentioned, this is a
public hearing and I have proof of publication of the public notice of public
hearing. At this point I’ll open the hearing if there’s any members of the public
who would like to speak. Seeing none, I’ll close the public hearing. Any
additional questions or comments for Cindy? If there are none, I would entertain
a motion.
McElderry I would move to approve Resolution 2024-18.
Burk Second.
Plunkett I got a first from Councilor McElderry, a second from Vice President Burk. All
those in favor signify by saying aye.
All Aye.
Plunkett All those opposed same sign.
[No response]
Motion passes 7 in favor, 0 opposed.
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Consideration of a Resolution of Year-End Re-Appropriation of Funds
Resolution 2024-19
Plunkett Up next on the agenda is a Consideration of Reappropriating Funds. This is
Resolution 2024-19 and we have Cindy with us for this as well.
Poore The different, the additional appropriations we just did and the reappropriations,
the reappropriations were just moving budgeted funds for a department between
lines and so there are no additional funds being requested, it’s just the movement
of funds. There may be some lines that were overspent whereas there were
savings in others and so it’s just a matter of moving the money around for year-
end cleanup.
Plunkett All right, are there any questions for Cindy? I’ll make a motion to approve
Resolution 2024-19.
Stein Second.
Plunkett Second from Councilor Stein. All those in favor signify by saying aye.
All Aye.
Plunkett All those opposed same sign.
[No response]
Motion passes 7 in favor, 0 opposed.
Poore Thank you.
Plunkett Thank you.
Consideration of a Resolution Regarding Mulberry Street and Governors Lane
Crosswalk
Resolution 2024-20
Plunkett Up next is a Consideration of a Resolution Regarding Mulberry Street and
Governors Lane Crosswalk. This is Resolution 2024-20 and we have Lance
Lantz, Director of DPW, to present.
Lantz Good morning. The DPW Department in conjunction previously with the
Pedestrian Mobility Advisory Committee whose function has since been folded
into the Pathways Committee, takes a look occasionally at locations around town
where a marked crosswalk including what we call RRFB, rapid rectangular
flashing beacons, might be, might be appropriate and well serving to the
community. We basically have a three-tiered approach to this. First is does this
even make sense? Is the speed limit 70 miles an hour and there’s five lanes of
traffic, things of that matter. Once it’s determined that there’s additional
consideration, we actually go out and take pedestrian counts in the spring and the
fall when the weather is good and school is in session so we actually get a
quantification of the pedestrians using the location and if that as when plotted,
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traffic, vehicle traffic against pedestrian traffic when it lies above basically a
logarithmic curve, it is a location that supports a marked crosswalk. So the last
tier of the evaluation process is there anything that’s missing – sightlines or
anything else that needs to be corrected? All those conditions being met
satisfactorily, the DPW recommends that you consider this as a location for a
marked crosswalk and the reason we are here is because our ordinance dictates
that this is an authority vested in you. However, if you read my memo, the very
last line is like so many ordinances, they go back way, way, a long time ago
before our governance looked like it is now and if you want to continue hearing
these and maybe one or two a year, we’re happy to continue as we have been but
if you are also interested in clearing up your agenda, we could bring to you an
ordinance amendment that would vest that authority with the Mayor. So I’m
happy to answer any questions you may have.
Plunkett Are there any questions from Councilors?
Melton I don’t have a question, but I have a comment. I appreciate this process that was
put in place by the other committee, if you will, as opposed to the Pathways
Committee but it’s just logical and I think that as you put that three-step process
together and I won’t repeat all that you said about that but it just makes sense, it
makes sense. We’re going to have traffic volumes increase in certain areas,
pedestrian and vehicular, and as, as we move forward, we need a process to be
able to kind of make those improvements and I personally just want to touch base
on the, I still believe that we should go through this Council for these. That’s my
personal take. That doesn’t, that’s just me being on the Pathways Committee and
I’d entertain anybody else’s opinion on this to get this into the Mayor’s Office
moving forward but I think we all represent different areas of the town and
different areas of the town have different needs and I think, for example, this
location very close to two schools, excuse me, three schools and then we have the
neighborhood, very large neighborhoods on both sides. It’s just a logical thing
that makes sense. However, I still believe that our constituents can come and ask
us to push these forward and I think that’s a good place to keep it at the Council
level. I don’t mean to take too much of your time, but I do believe in that process.
It was a great process that was created by the other committee, and I’d like to
continue that partially as we move forward with the Pathways Committee as at
least hearing these things as we move forward so. That’s, that’s my thought. I’m
very supportive of this crosswalk in that location as well as the Pathways
Committee currently is as well supportive and, like I said, I kind of like hearing
these and I like the public to hear these as well because I think the public
sometimes doesn’t get to hear some of the good things that the DPW is doing or
the Council so that’s my thought.
Burk Yes, I don’t have a question but thanks, Lance, and your team for the diligence
and for this process. I agree with Craig. This is in my district. There are three
schools right there. There’s quite a lot of traffic and with the, I love the
roundabout there but the roundabout if you’re trying to get out or if you’re a
child trying to get to school, the flow is crazy because it never slows down
because of the, of the roundabout so, I think it’s much needed and I appreciate
you all.
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Plunkett Anything else from Councilors? This is a resolution so this is just one vote here
so I would entertain a motion.
Melton I’d like to make a motion to approve Resolution 2024-20.
Plunkett We have a first from Councilor Melton.
Burk Second.
Plunkett Second from Vice President Burk. All those in favor signify by saying aye.
All Aye.
Plunkett All those opposed same sign.
[No response]
Motion passes 7 in favor, 0 opposed.
OTHER MATTERS
Plunkett Up next are Other Matters. Are there any other matters from Councilors?
McElderry Mr. President, I’d like to just say thank you to all of the folks that filled out
applications to, to try to get on a Board, Committee or Commission. I know
there’s a lot of folks that don’t make it on because we have a lot of interest, and
we really appreciate people’s interest and I just want to encourage them to
continue. There will probably be an opportunity somewhere down the road for
those that did not make it onto a Board, Committee or Commission this time
around.
ADJOURN
Plunkett Well said, well said. Anything else from Councilors? I will make a motion to
adjourn.
McElderry Second.
Plunkett Second from Councilor McElderry. All those in favor signify by saying aye.
All Aye.
Plunkett Motion passes 7 in favor, 0 opposed.
The next regular Town Council meeting is scheduled for Monday, January 6,
2025 at 7:00 p.m. in the Zionsville Town Hall Council Chambers. Final notice
will be posted in compliance with the Indiana Open Door Law. Hope everyone
has a Merry Christmas.
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Respectfully Submitted,
Amelia Anne Lacy, Municipal Relations Coordinator
Town of Zionsville
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