Historic District Commission
Regular MeetingChapel Hill, NC · July 14, 2020
Minutes
Town Hall
TOWN OF CHAPEL HILL 405 Martin Luther King Jr.
Boulevard
Historic District Commission Chapel Hill, NC 27514
Meeting Minutes
Chair David Schwartz Josh Gurlitz
Vice-Chair Sean Murphy Duncan Lascelles
Madhu Beriwal Nancy McCormick
Robert Epting Angela Stiefbold
Tuesday, July 14, 2020 6:30 PM Virtual Meeting
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Board members will attend and participate in this meeting remotely,
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not provide a physical location for viewing the meeting.
The public is invited to attend the Zoom webinar directly online or by
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Board members will attend and participate in this meeting remotely, through
internet access, and will not physically attend. The Town will not provide a
physical location for viewing the meeting.
The public is invited to attend the Zoom webinar directly online or by phone.
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878 3870 5092
Opening
Roll Call
Staff present: Anya Grahn, Liaison to Commission, Becky McDonnell, Liaison to
Commission, Brian Ferrell, Counsel to Commission
Present 6 - Chair David Schwartz, Vice-Chair Sean Murphy, Josh Gurlitz,
Duncan Lascelles, Nancy McCormick, and Angela Stiefbold
Absent 2 - Madhu Beriwal, and Robert Epting
Secretary reads procedures into the record
Attorney Brian Ferrell explained that with the new members, a majority of 5 votes
was needed to take action on any item. He explained that even with only six
members present, a vote of 5 was required to pass or deny an application. He
requested that the applicants give consent to move forward based on this; there
were no objections. The Commission offered applicants an opportunity to have
their applications postponed until the August 11, 2020 meeting when more
Commissioners would be present; however, no applicants opted to postpone.
Approval of Agenda
Chair Schwartz asked that items 9 and 10 be reversed on the agenda. A motion
was made by Stiefbold, seconded by McCormick, to approve the agenda as
amended. The motion passed unanimously.
Announcements
Staff liaison Anya Grahn presented guidance on virtual meetings.
Grahn also announced the state historic preservation office had made virtual
training sessions available on YouTube; she asked for at least two Commissioners
to volunteer to attend the trainings. Two Commissioners and staff are required to
complete the trainings in order for the Town to maintain its Certified Local
Government (CLG) status.
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Historic District Design Guidelines Project Update
Commissioner Stiefbold provided an update on this project, explaining that the
committee's next step is to hold their first virtual meeting at the end of July. She
informed the Commission that the draft design guideline revisions are available
on the Town's project webpage.
Petitions
Approval of Minutes
1. June 15, 2020 Meeting Minutes [20-0480]
A motion was made by Stiefbold, seconded by Murphy, to approve the
minutes as amended. The motion passed unanimously.
Historic District Commission Candidate Interviews
2. Historic District Commission Candidate Interviews [20-0481]
As the candidate was not present, the Commission elected to continue the
item to the August 11, 2020 meeting.
Consent Agenda
3. 514 E. Rosemary Street [20-0482]
Staff liaison Grahn explained that this Certificate of Appropriateness (COA)
application was approved by the Town Manager in 2018. In the past, COAs
did not have an expiration date; however, the Land Use Management
Ordinance was updated in fall 2019 to require a one-year expiration for COAs.
She explained that the item was a request to change the existing porch piers
from brick to stone and change the design of the front entry door from a door
flanked by sidelights to a single door. She clarified that this was not an
opportunity to reopen the application. The Commission's review was limited
to the porch piers and the door. By approving these modifications, the
Commission was neither approving to nor consenting to the design of the
house.
4. 209 McCauley Street [20-0483]
Staff liaison Grahn explained that the applicant had received administrative
approval to replace in-kind the rotted wood floorboards of the historic porch.
As the applicant started the work, he discovered that the wood floor structure
was deteriorated and not structurally sound. The applicant was now
requesting approval to rebuild the floor structure.
A motion was made by Murphy, seconded by Lascelles, to approve the
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consent agenda. The motion passed unanimously.
Old Business
5. 360 Glandon Drive [20-0390]
New Commissioners Gurlitz and Lascelles stated that they had familiarized
themselves with the application and previous meeting minutes. Chair
Schwartz deemed them qualified to vote on the item.
Staff liaison Grahn explained that this was a request for an after-the-fact
certificate of appropriateness for changes to a stone wall and fence. This
was the third time this item was on the Commission's agenda.
Property owner Sandra Doell explained that she was a long-time resident of
the Gimghoul neighborhood. She stated that it had not occurred to her and
her husband that they would be required to seek approval from the
Commission for the site improvements they made along Evergreen Lane. She
spoke to the history of Evergreen Lane as an alley and that the National
Register of Historic Places nomination for the Gimghoul neighborhood did not
specify the historical significance of stone walls along Evergreen. She
discussed her interactions with staff and the notice of violation she received
for completing the work without a certificate of appropriateness. The applicant
did not provide a presentation of evidence as she participated in the meeting
via telephone.
Commissioner Murphy discussed the changes made along Evergreen to the
stone wall and fence. He referenced the guidelines, explaining that even if
the stone wall was not original to the site it contributed to the character of the
neighborhood. He spoke to the change in the design of the fence.
Mrs. Doell questioned why the application required Commission approval
when the guidelines permitted staff to approve the construction of fieldstone
walls up to three feet in height. Staff liaison Grahn clarified the role of staff
and explained that the Commission has had a policy of reviewing fences.
The Commissioners discussed the location of the wall and fence along
Evergreen Lane. They spoke to role of Evergreen Lane as utilitarian and a
backyard. The stone walls were very characteristic of the neighborhood, but
they varied in design and height between properties. Some were stone, but
others were rubble walls. The Commissioners discussed the design of the
fence and the vertical supports of the fence.
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A motion was made by Stiefbold, seconded by Lascelles, to approve the
Certificate of Appropriateness. The motion passed with a vote of 5-1.
Aye: 5 - Chair David Schwartz, Josh Gurlitz, Duncan Lascelles, Nancy
McCormick, and Angela Stiefbold
Nay: 1 - Vice-Chair Sean Murphy
Excused: 2 - Madhu Beriwal, and Robert Epting
New Business
6. 707 Gimghoul Road [20-0484]
Staff liaison Grahn explained that this application was a request to modify an
approved Certificate of Appropriateness. She stated that the applicant
proposed to alter the window materials from a wood to a clad window and
modify the standing metal roofing and asphalt shingles.
Ben Johnson, applicant, presented an updated rendering for the house. He
pointed out the change to the roofing materials on the water tables from
standing seam to a continuous metal and the dormers from standing seam to
asphalt shingles. He explained that only two original wood windows remained
on the house; the rest were a mix of clad, vinyl, and wood windows that could
not be rehabilitated. He discussed how the window material would not be
apparent as the house was setback significantly from the street.
The Commissioners and Johnson discussed that the asphalt shingles on the
dormers would be more congruent than the originally approved design, and
that the metal roofing on the water tables was congruous and in keeping with
the historic use of the material. They spoke to the similarity of the existing
windows with the new clad windows and the profile of the simulated divided
light muntins.
A motion was made by Murphy, seconded by Stiefbold, to approve the
Certificate of Appropriateness. The motion passed unanimously.
7. 733 Gimghoul Road [20-0485]
Staff liaison Grahn explained that the Commission had approved a Certificate
of Appropriateness (COA) for this house in June 2019. The applicant was
proposing changes to the window configuration and roofing materials.
Brian Grant, architect, presented plans showing the proposed elevation
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changes. He described the expansion of the Ipe wood deck and the steps
taken to build a cantilevered deck on the north elevation that would minimize
impacts to an existing mature tree. He explained that cedar shake would be
changed to a gray asphalt shingle roof and the copper roof would be modified
to standing seam metal. He pointed out changes to the fenestration pattern
on the elevation drawings. The Commissioners and Grant discussed the
changes to the fenestration pattern and the helical pier proposed for the
cantilevered deck.
A motion was made by McCormick, seconded by Murphy, to approve the
Certificate of Appropriateness. The motion carried unanimously.
8. 3 Mint Springs Road [20-0486]
Staff liaison Grahn explained that the applicant proposed to renovate an
existing c.1990 cottage by installing new siding, new windows, and roofing as
well as modifying the fenestration pattern to match the primary structure. The
applicant was also proposing to replace a single car garage door on the
house with divided light windows.
Catherine Williams, property owner, explained that the cottage was originally
an accessory structure to 507 North Street, but she had recently acquired it
as part of a recombination plat. Chase Pickett, contractor, stated that the
cottage was built c.1990 and was not of historical significance. He explained
their intent to introduce design elements that would more closely match those
found on the c.1949 main house. He presented images showing the
deteriorated condition of the fascia, corner boards, and siding on the dormers.
He spoke to the current condition of the asphalt roof and that mildew was
growing on the shingles. He explained that the intent was to install Hardie
Plank lap siding, new simulated 6-over-6 divided light casement windows, and
that the HVAC would be installed on the west elevation. The Commission and
applicants discussed the modification to the window sizes on the front of the
cottage. They talked about building codes for egress and matching the
primary house.
A motion was made by Murphy, seconded by Lascelles to approve the
Certificate of Appropriateness application. The motion passed unanimously.
10. 207 Pittsboro Street [20-0488]
Staff liaison Grahn explained that the applicant intended to modify the roofing
materials at St. Anthony's Hall with standing seam steel roofing and a new
membrane on the metal awning.
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Lucy Davis, applicant, presented photos of the deteriorated roof conditions
and explained the scope of work. The applicant and Commission discussed
the congruity of the changes as well as the durability and reflectivity of the
proposed metal roofing. They also reviewed the visibility of the proposed
roofing materials.
A motion was made by Murphy, seconded by McCormick, to approve the
Certificate of Appropriateness. The motion carried with a vote of 5-1.
Aye: 5 - Chair David Schwartz, Vice-Chair Sean Murphy, Josh Gurlitz,
Duncan Lascelles, and Nancy McCormick
Nay: 1 - Angela Stiefbold
Excused: 2 - Madhu Beriwal, and Robert Epting
9. 306 Ransom Street [20-0487]
Staff liaison Grahn explained that the applicant proposed to renovate the
existing historic house by raising and modifying the roof form to add dormers
on the front and back as well as construct a new rear addition.
Douglas Janes, architect discussed the history of the house and its
connection with former-Council Person Joyce Brown. He described how
raising the roof, modifying its pitch from 5.5:12 to 7:12, and constructing new
dormers would allow the applicant more space and light to expand the interior
programming on the second level. He also presented plans showing the
proposed rear addition that would replace an existing screened porch.
The Commissioners discussed the proposed alterations. They discussed the
congruity of the proposed three-panel patio door on the rear elevation and
some recommended that the patio door reflect the design of the existing
windows. The Commissioners were generally supportive of expanding the
rear dormer; however, there were concerns about the front dormer. The
Commissioners challenged the congruity of the front dormer's Craftsman
design with the Colonial Revival style of the house. Some pointed out that the
Guidelines recommend against making changes to the roof pitch and adding
dormers on facade elevations. They also spoke to the design of the dormer as
adding a heavy element above the historic porch that detracted from the
design of the porch.
Chair Schwartz suggested that the Commission continue the item to the
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August 11, 2020 meeting to allow absent Commissioners to ask questions and
contribute to the discussion.
Owner, Michael Slomianyl, agreed to change the three French doors to two
French doors on the rear elevation. He explained the structural conditions of
the house and previous projects where he had raised the roof of a house to
make the upper levels more livable.
The Commission discussed possible design solutions to the front dormer and
the French Doors. They continued the item to the August 11, 2020 meeting.
Adjournment
Next Meeting - DATE
Order of Consideration of Agenda Items:
1. Staff Presentation
2. Applicant’s Presentation
3. Public Comment
4. Board Discussion
5. Motion
6. Restatement of Motion by Chair
7. Vote
8. Announcement of Vote by Chair
Public Charge: The Advisory Body pledges its respect to the public. The
Body asks the public to conduct themselves in a respectful, courteous
manner, both with the Body and with fellow members of the public.
Should any member of the Body or any member of the public fail to
observe this charge at any time, the Chair will ask the offending
person to leave the meeting until that individual regains personal
control. Should decorum fail to be restored, the Chair will recess the
meeting until a genuine commitment to this public charge is observed.
Unless otherwise noted, please contact the Planning Department at
919-968-2728; planning@townofchapelhill.org for more information on
the above referenced applications.
See the Advisory Boards page http://www.townofchapelhill.org/boards
for background information on this Board.
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Agenda
Town Hall
TOWN OF CHAPEL HILL 405 Martin Luther King Jr.
Boulevard
Historic District Commission Chapel Hill, NC 27514
Meeting Agenda
Chair David Schwartz Josh Gurlitz
Vice-Chair Sean Murphy Duncan Lascelles
Madhu Beriwal Nancy McCormick
Robert Epting Angela Stiefbold
Tuesday, July 14, 2020 6:30 PM Virtual Meeting
Virtual Meeting Notification
Board members will attend and participate in this meeting remotely, through
internet access, and will not physically attend. The Town will not provide a
physical location for viewing the meeting.
The public is invited to attend the Zoom webinar directly online or by phone.
Register for this webinar:
https://us02web.zoom.us/webinar/register/WN_CZKAqrwRSNe247hJr2EvtQ.
After registering, you will receive a confirmation email containing information
about joining the webinar in listen-only mode. Phone: 301-715-8592, Meeting
ID: 878 3870 5092
Opening
Roll Call
Secretary reads procedures into the record
Approval of Agenda
Announcements
Historic District Design Guidelines Project Update
Petitions
Approval of Minutes
1. June 15, 2020 Meeting Minutes [20-0480]
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Attachments: June 15, 2020 Meeting Minutes
Historic District Commission Candidate Interviews
2. Historic District Commission Candidate Interviews [20-0481]
Attachments: Staff Memo
Candidate Applications
Consent Agenda
3. 514 E. Rosemary Street [20-0482]
Attachments: Staff Report
Application Materials
4. 209 McCauley Street [20-0483]
Attachments: Staff Report
Application Materials
Old Business
5. 360 Glandon Drive [20-0390]
Attachments: Staff Report
Application Materials
New Business
6. 707 Gimghoul Road [20-0484]
Attachments: Staff Report
Application Materials
7. 733 Gimghoul Road [20-0485]
Attachments: Staff Report
Application Materials
8. 3 Mint Springs Road [20-0486]
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Attachments: Staff Report
Application Materials
9. 306 Ransom Street [20-0487]
Attachments: Staff Report
Application Materials
10. 207 Pittsboro Street [20-0488]
Attachments: Staff Report
Application Materials
Adjournment
Order of Consideration of Agenda Items:
1. Staff Presentation
2. Applicant’s Presentation
3. Public Comment
4. Board Discussion
5. Motion
6. Restatement of Motion by Chair
7. Vote
8. Announcement of Vote by Chair
Public Charge: The Advisory Body pledges its respect to the public. The Body
asks the public to conduct themselves in a respectful, courteous manner, both
with the Body and with fellow members of the public. Should any member of the
Body or any member of the public fail to observe this charge at any time, the
Chair will ask the offending person to leave the meeting until that individual
regains personal control. Should decorum fail to be restored, the Chair will
recess the meeting until a genuine commitment to this public charge is observed.
Unless otherwise noted, please contact the Planning Department at
919-968-2728; planning@townofchapelhill.org for more information on the
above referenced applications.
See the Advisory Boards page http://www.townofchapelhill.org/boards for
background information on this Board.
http://www.townofchapelhill.org Page 3 of 3 Printed on 6/30/2020
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