Historic District Commission
Regular MeetingChapel Hill, NC · August 11, 2020
Minutes
Town Hall
TOWN OF CHAPEL HILL 405 Martin Luther King Jr.
Boulevard
Historic District Commission Chapel Hill, NC 27514
Meeting Minutes
Chair David Schwartz Duncan Lascelles
Vice-Chair Sean Murphy Nancy McCormick
Madhu Beriwal Angela Stiefbold
Josh Gurlitz
Tuesday, August 11, 2020 6:30 PM RM 110 | Council Chamber
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Opening
Roll Call
Staff present: Anya Grahn, Liaison to Commission, Becky McDonnell, Liaison to
Commission, Brian Ferrell, Counsel to Commission
Present 7 - Chair David Schwartz, Vice-Chair Sean Murphy, Madhu
Beriwal, Josh Gurlitz, Duncan Lascelles, Nancy McCormick,
and Angela Stiefbold
Secretary reads procedures into the record
Approval of Agenda
A motion was made by Gurlitz, seconded by Lascelles, to approve the agenda. The
motion passed with a unanimous vote.
Announcements
Staff liaison Grahn announced that the Historic District Commission (DC) would
continue to meet virtually the second Tuesday of each month; however, alternate
virtual meeting dates had been set for September 23, 2020, November 2, 2020, and
January 21, 2021.
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Counsel Brian Farrell discussed the impacts that the Section 160D legislative
update would have on the HDC. He explained the existing state enabling legislature
that provided authority to the HDC and that the new language introduced a more
robust conflict of interest policy for quasi-judicial decision-making bodies. Farrell
also clarified that the HDC would be required to adopt standards, not guidelines, to
support their decision-making process. The Commission discussed the role of the
design guidelines in determining whether proposed changes are incongruous with
the special character of the district.
Commissioner Stiefbold provided an update on the Design Guidelines Rewrite
project. She explained that the committee members had provided individual
reviews of the consultant's drafts to the consultant and staff, and the Design
Guidelines Committee had their first virtual meeting in July to discuss these
revisions as a group. She said that the intent was to have a revised draft by
mid-fall for review. She encouraged the other Commissioners and members of the
public to provide comments as the project goes forward.
Petitions
Approval of Minutes
1. July 14, 2020 Meeting Minutes [20-0507]
Murphy proposed a change to the minutes to reflect that the applicant for 360
Glandon Avenue had not provided a presentation of evidence. A motion was
made by Beriwal, seconded by Murphy, to approve the July 14, 2020 meeting
minutes. The motion passed with a unanimous vote.
Historic District Commission Candidate Interviews
2. Historic District Commission Candidate Interviews [20-0481]
As the candidate was not present, the Commission elected to continue the
item to the August 11, 2020 meeting.
Consent Agenda
3. 219 E. Rosemary Street [20-0508]
Grahn explained that the Alpha Phi Sorority proposed to replace their sign. A
motion was made by Murphy, seconded by McCormick, to approve the
consent agenda. The motion passed with a unanimous vote.
Aye: 6 - Chair David Schwartz, Vice-Chair Sean Murphy, Madhu
Beriwal, Duncan Lascelles, Nancy McCormick, and Angela
Stiefbold
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Recused: 1 - Josh Gurlitz
Old Business
4. 306 Ransom Street [20-0487]
Commissioner Beriwal stated that she had familiarized herself with the
application and previous meeting minutes. Chair Schwartz deemed her
qualified to vote on the item.
Architect Douglas Janes explained the history of the site and its relationship to
former Councilperson Joyce Brown. He spoke to the modifications he had
made to the rear elevation based on the Commission's direction at the last
meeting; the sliding Marvin doors had been replaced with French doors and
the shed dormer would be clad with wood siding matching that of the house.
On the facade, he had introduced two dormers to allow greater living space
on the second level and presented photos of neighborhood houses that also
had front dormers. Janes presented section drawings showing how the
proposed additions would improve the programming of the house. He
explained that adding dormers to the front of a house was historically not
appropriate, but it was needed to add space to the house. Chair Schwartz
noted that the HDC is required to approve or deny Certificates of
Appropriateness solely on the basis of congruity considerations and not on
the basis of programming or other considerations. Schwartz encouraged the
applicant to offer an argument that the proposed changes were congruous
with the special character of the Cameron-McCauley Historic District.
Janes explained how the revised design with two dormers would not detract
from the porch and how the low-pitch of the dormer roofs would minimize their
appearance on the roof.
The Commission and applicant spoke about the appropriateness of adding
dormers and raising the height of the historic roof. Some found that raising
the height of the roof would have a minimal impact to the front of the house,
but pointed out that the Design Guidelines did not support adding dormers to
a facade elevation. Janes argued that many houses of similar age and form
had front dormers. Some commissioners found that the roofing materials and
design of the dormers minimized their appearance and did not detract from the
facade elevation as it would be seen as an addition. Others found that
allowing the dormers would not be in keeping with the Design Guidelines as
the scale and design of the dormers and location on the facade detracted
from the house's historic character. They spoke to the examples provided,
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explaining that houses in the neighborhood with dormers were of different
house forms and styles. There was also concern about increasing the height
of the roof. Some commissioners felt that changing the roof pitch and height
was not inconsistent with the roof pitches and heights seen on other nearby
houses.
A motion was made by Murphy, seconded by McCormick, to approve the
application as presented with the exception of the front dormers based on the
Design Guidelines recommendations on page 36 regarding introducing new
dormers that are compatible with the building and would not detract from the
architectural integrity of the building; Design Guideline #9 on page 37, and
Design Guideline #7 on page 41. The motion failed by the following vote:
Aye: 3 - Chair David Schwartz, Vice-Chair Sean Murphy, and Nancy
McCormick
Nay: 4 - Madhu Beriwal, Josh Gurlitz, Duncan Lascelles, and Angela
Stiefbold
Beriwal moved, Lascelles seconded, to approve the application as submitted
based on the Design Guidelines recommendation on page 36 in that the new
dormers would not detract from the historic integrity of the house as the
house's deep porch would allow the dormers to fade into the existing
structure. The motion failed by the following vote:
Aye: 3 - Madhu Beriwal, Josh Gurlitz, and Duncan Lascelles
Nay: 4 - Chair David Schwartz, Vice-Chair Sean Murphy, Nancy
McCormick, and Angela Stiefbold
The Commission clarified the intent of the past motions. A motion was made
by Lascelles, seconded by Beriwal, repeating the previous motion to approve
the application as submitted. The motion failed by the following vote:
Aye: 3 - Madhu Beriwal, Josh Gurlitz, and Duncan Lascelles
Nay: 4 - Chair David Schwartz, Vice-Chair Sean Murphy, Nancy
McCormick, and Angela Stiefbold
The Commission discussed creating motions on the individual components of
the application. Commissioner Stiefbold did not support the dormers or
raising the roof. They spoke about the need to raise the roof in order to
accommodate the proposed new dormers.
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A motion was made by Murphy, seconded by McCormick, to approve the
application as proposed but deny the front dormers. The motion failed by the
following vote:
Aye: 3 - Chair David Schwartz, Vice-Chair Sean Murphy, and Nancy
McCormick
Nay: 4 - Madhu Beriwal, Josh Gurlitz, Duncan Lascelles, and Angela
Stiefbold
A motion was made by Schwartz, seconded by Murphy, to approve the
application as submitted, but to deny raising the roof and adding dormers to
the front facade. The motion failed by the following vote:
Aye: 1 - Chair David Schwartz
Nay: 6 - Vice-Chair Sean Murphy, Madhu Beriwal, Josh Gurlitz,
Duncan Lascelles, Nancy McCormick, and Angela Stiefbold
Counsel Farrell explained that the Commission would have until the end of the
next meeting, September 23, to take action otherwise the application would be
automatically be approved.
Commissioner Stiefbold explained her concerns that raising the roof and
constructing dormers were not in character with the building. She believed
the standards to not modify the front facade were important. Raising the roof
and adding dormers were significant modifications to the historic house form.
A motion was made by Stiefbold, seconded by Schwartz, to deny the
application based on the findings in the staff report as well as the Design
Guideline #1 on page 37. The motion failed by the following vote:
Aye: 2 - Chair David Schwartz, and Angela Stiefbold
Nay: 5 - Vice-Chair Sean Murphy, Madhu Beriwal, Josh Gurlitz,
Duncan Lascelles, and Nancy McCormick
The commission continued the item to the September 23, 2020 meeting.
New Business
5. 517 E. Franklin Street [20-0509]
Chester Yarborough, applicant and property owner, described the history and
the changes to the house over time. He presented approved plans for a deck
that had been approved but never constructed and presented historic
photographs showing a second floor balcony railing matching that of the front
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porch. He also shared early 20th century photographs of a stone wall along
the front property line. Yarborough described the poor conditions of the
existing historic single-car garage, explaining the significant termite damage
and structural deficiencies. He explained his intent to salvage historic
materials where possible, and structurally stabilize the building so it could be
used as a garage once again. He presented plans showing a new paneled
carriage door, exterior lighting, and a new service door on the side elevation.
He discussed his intent to construct a new 1.5-story accessory building in the
northwest corner of the property, where it would be minimally visible from
Franklin Street. He explained the structure's design and the use of materials
similar to those found on the house.
The Commission and Yarborough discussed the height and design of the new
building in relation to the garage and the main house as well as the new
second floor railing design. The Commission expressed concerns about the
new carriage door on the garage and clarified that the renderings
exaggerated the depth of the panels. The Commission also clarified with the
applicant that the new stacked stone wall would match those found on the
street; they found that a dry stacked wall would be more congruous with the
house's history but not with neighboring properties that had mortared walls.
A motion was made by Murphy, seconded by Lascelles, to approve the
application. The motion carried by a unanimous vote.
6. 723 Gimghoul Road [20-0510]
Peggy Britt, applicant and property owner, explained her intent to restore the
front porch of the house, replace the existing brick walkway with flagstone,
and change the shape of the exterior rear staircase. She explained that the
previous owners had added the veranda in the 1980s and modified the grade.
She spoke to the drainage issues around the foundation. She presented
historic photos of the house showing a smaller portico with a square, concrete
floor. She discussed the relative footprint of the walkways and explained the
need to redirect the rear exterior stairs in order to maintain a curved concrete
block retaining wall. She also proposed to install new lantern-style exterior
lighting on the back and sides of the house.
The Commission discussed the modifications to the exterior walkways. Britt
explained that the flagstone would better match the existing stone wall and
cream-colored brick chimneys on the house than the existing red brick.
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A motion was made by Stiefbold, seconded by McCormick, to approve the
application. The motion passed by a unanimous vote.
7. 516 E. Franklin Street [20-0511]
Erik Mehlman, architect, discussed the history of the house and the number of
renovations that had occurred over time. He spoke to the applicant's proposal
to replace the gutters, storm door, and exterior sconces. He presented
photos showing the deteriorated condition of wood windows that varied in
age, style, and size that dated from the 1940s, 1990s, and 2000s remodels
and additions. He explained their intent to replace all double-hung windows
with new wood double-hung windows with retractable screens that would not
detract from the exterior appearance of the windows. He also spoke to
modifying the windows and siding on a 1940s-era enclosed rear second story
porch with windows and siding that would match the rest of the house. On
the lower level, a rear 1990s aluminum and glass porch enclosure would be
replaced by a new porch. Jen and Robert Evans, property owners, explained
their intent to improve the house with these modifications.
The Commission discussed the number of windows to be replaced as well as
the proposed design and material of the replacement windows, doors, and
siding materials.
A motion was made by Murphy, seconded by Lascelles, to approve the
application. The motion carried by a unanimous vote.
8. 304 N. Boundary Street [20-0512]
Cam Hill, architect, explained that the garage had been redesigned to address
drainage on the site. By attaching it to the existing retaining walls and moving
the storm drain to the front of the garage, the garage become larger.
The Commission discussed the challenge of reviewing applications on North
Boundary Street given the modern design of the houses in this neighborhood.
They discussed with their Counsel how historic district boundaries were
designated.
A motion was made by McCormick, seconded by Gurlitz, to approve the
application. The application passed with a unanimous vote.
Aye: 6 - Chair David Schwartz, Vice-Chair Sean Murphy, Josh Gurlitz,
Duncan Lascelles, Nancy McCormick, and Angela Stiefbold
Recused: 1 - Madhu Beriwal
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Closed Session
Brian Farrell, counsel to the Commission informed the Commission of the court
settlement on 704 E. Franklin Street and provided a status update of 313 E.
Franklin Street which had been appealed to Superior Court.
Adjournment
Next Meeting - September 23, 2020
Order of Consideration of Agenda Items:
1. Staff Presentation
2. Applicant’s Presentation
3. Public Comment
4. Board Discussion
5. Motion
6. Restatement of Motion by Chair
7. Vote
8. Announcement of Vote by Chair
Public Charge: The Advisory Body pledges its respect to the public. The
Body asks the public to conduct themselves in a respectful, courteous
manner, both with the Body and with fellow members of the public.
Should any member of the Body or any member of the public fail to
observe this charge at any time, the Chair will ask the offending
person to leave the meeting until that individual regains personal
control. Should decorum fail to be restored, the Chair will recess the
meeting until a genuine commitment to this public charge is observed.
Unless otherwise noted, please contact the Planning Department at
919-968-2728; planning@townofchapelhill.org for more information on
the above referenced applications.
See the Advisory Boards page http://www.townofchapelhill.org/boards
for background information on this Board.
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Agenda
Town Hall
TOWN OF CHAPEL HILL 405 Martin Luther King Jr.
Boulevard
Historic District Commission Chapel Hill, NC 27514
Meeting Agenda
Chair David Schwartz Josh Gurlitz
Vice-Chair Sean Murphy Duncan Lascelles
Madhu Beriwal Nancy McCormick
Robert Epting Angela Stiefbold
Tuesday, August 11, 2020 6:30 PM RM 110 | Council Chamber
Virtual Meeting Notification
Opening
Roll Call
Secretary reads procedures into the record
Approval of Agenda
Announcements
Petitions
Approval of Minutes
1. July 14, 2020 Meeting Minutes [20-0507]
Attachments: July 14, 2020 Meeting Minutes
Historic District Commission Candidate Interviews
2. Historic District Commission Candidate Interviews [20-0481]
Attachments: Staff Memo
Candidate Applications
Consent Agenda
3. 219 E. Rosemary Street [20-0508]
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Attachments: Staff Report
Application Materials
Old Business
4. 306 Ransom Street [20-0487]
Attachments: Staff Report
Application Materials
New Business
5. 517 E. Franklin Street [20-0509]
Attachments: Staff Report
Application Materials
6. 723 Gimghoul Road [20-0510]
Attachments: Staff Report
Application Materials
7. 516 E. Franklin Street [20-0511]
Attachments: Staff Report
Application Materials
8. 304 N. Boundary Street [20-0512]
Attachments: Staff Report
Application Materials
Adjournment
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Order of Consideration of Agenda Items:
1. Staff Presentation
2. Applicant’s Presentation
3. Public Comment
4. Board Discussion
5. Motion
6. Restatement of Motion by Chair
7. Vote
8. Announcement of Vote by Chair
Public Charge: The Advisory Body pledges its respect to the public. The Body
asks the public to conduct themselves in a respectful, courteous manner, both
with the Body and with fellow members of the public. Should any member of the
Body or any member of the public fail to observe this charge at any time, the
Chair will ask the offending person to leave the meeting until that individual
regains personal control. Should decorum fail to be restored, the Chair will
recess the meeting until a genuine commitment to this public charge is observed.
Unless otherwise noted, please contact the Planning Department at
919-968-2728; planning@townofchapelhill.org for more information on the
above referenced applications.
See the Advisory Boards page http://www.townofchapelhill.org/boards for
background information on this Board.
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