Historic District Commission
Regular MeetingChapel Hill, NC · September 23, 2020
Minutes
Town Hall
TOWN OF CHAPEL HILL 405 Martin Luther King Jr.
Boulevard
Historic District Commission Chapel Hill, NC 27514
Meeting Minutes
Chair David Schwartz Duncan Lascelles
Vice-Chair Sean Murphy Nancy McCormick
Madhu Beriwal Angela Stiefbold
Josh Gurlitz
Wednesday, September 23, 2020 6:30 PM Virtual Meeting
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Opening
Roll Call
Staff present: Anya Grahn, Liaison to Commission, Becky McDonnell, Liaison to
Commission, Brian Ferrell, Counsel to Commission
Present 7 - Chair David Schwartz, Deputy Vice-Chair Sean Murphy,
Madhu Beriwal, Josh Gurlitz, Duncan Lascelles, Nancy
McCormick, and Vice-Chair Angela Stiefbold
Secretary reads procedures into the record
Approval of Agenda
A motion was made by Schwartz, seconded by Stiefbold, to amend the agenda to
move Historic District Commission (HDC) candidate interviews from Item #7 to Item
#2 on the agenda. The motion carried by a unanimous vote.
Announcements
Petitions
Approval of Minutes
1. August 11, 2020 Meeting Minutes [20-0589]
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Stiefbold proposed a change to the minutes to reflect that she did not have
concerns about windows at 306 Ransom Street, only about the dormers and
roof. She also asked to remove the reference to a classic Chapel Hill portico
in the description of the discussion for 723 Gimghoul Road.
A motion was made by Gurlitz, seconded by Murphy, to approve the meeting
minutes as amended. The motion carried by a unanimous vote.
Historic District Commission Candidate Interviews
7. Historic District Commission Candidate Interviews [20-0481]
Candidates Anne Perl de Pal and Rick Smith introduced themselves to the
Commission and explained their experience and interest in Chapel Hill's
architecture, preservation, and history. Chair Schwartz moved to take action
on the applications at the end of the meeting.
Election of Commission Officers
Election of Chair
Schwartz reviewed the roles of vice chair and deputy vice chair.
Murphy nominated Schwartz as Chair. A motion was made by Lascelles,
seconded by Gurlitz, to elect Schwartz to serve as Chair. The motion carried by
a unanimous vote.
Election of Vice Chair
The Commission discussed whether Murphy was eligible to remain as vice chair.
Staff clarified that the Land Use Management Ordinance had been updated and
did not allow officers to serve more than two consecutive terms in a position.
Murphy had served two consecutive terms as Vice Chair.
A motion was made by Schwartz, seconded by Lascelles, to elect Stiefbold to
serve as Vice Chair. The motion carried by a unanimous vote.
Election of Deputy Vice Chair
A motion was made by Lascelles, seconded by McCormick, to elect Murphy to
serve as Deputy Vice Chair. The motion carried by a unanimous vote.
Consent Agenda
2. 508 Boundary Street [20-0590]
Staff liaison Grahn explained that this application proposed to install a new
horizontally-oriented rectangular window on the west side elevation that would
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not be visible from the street.
A motion was made by Murphy, seconded by Lascelles, to approve the
Certificate of Appropriateness. The motion carried by a unanimous vote.
3. 205 Wilson Street [20-0591]
Staff liaison Grahn explained that the application proposed to install a new
safety railing adjacent to a parking lot in the backyard. The railing would
match an existing railing and address a safety concern where there was a
change of grade.
A motion was made by Murphy, seconded by Lascelles, to approve the
Certificate of Appropriateness. The motion carried by a unanimous vote.
Old Business
4. 306 Ransom Street [20-0487]
Staff liaison Grahn explained that this was the last opportunity for the
commission to take action on the application. She described the applicant's
proposal to add a rear addition, rebuild the historic roof form with a different
height and pitch, construct dormers on the front and rear elevations, and add
French doors to the rear elevation.
Chair Schwartz discussed the Secretary of the Interior's Standards as the
federal standard for historic preservation, the State Historic Preservation
Office's Commissioner Handbook's recommendations for managing change
and preserving historic integrity, and the local Design Guidelines. He asked
the commission to discuss how the proposal complied with these standards.
Commissioner Gurlitz explained that the design as presented at the last
meeting deemphasized the visibility of the two front dormers as they aligned
with the front windows on the main level. The increased roof pitch was
immaterial. While it was not the original roof, it could have been.
Commissioner Stiefbold expressed her concerns for preserving the historic
character, fabric, and feel of the district. She stated that while the proposal
was an attractive solution, the commission should not base its decision on
appearance. She discussed the importance of the original roof line and form
as part of the historic structure. She referenced page 55 of the Design
Guidelines that emphasized minimizing damage to historic buildings and the
loss of historic fabric. She stressed that rebuilding the roof involved removing
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the entire historic roof and loosing its historic framing and construction. She
explained that if the commission were regulating design in the historic district,
it needed to be based on the historic fabric and historic street views of the
houses. She worried that the proposed changes did not protect the historic
fabric of the building.
Commissioner Murphy found that the house had a lower profile than others on
the street. He discussed the need for historic buildings to function for future
generations and found that the additional height would allow living space on
the second floor. He described the mix of houses in the neighborhood, many
of which had maintained their original Craftsman-inspired front porches with
dormers on the facade. He recognized that the character of the home would
change by constructing two new dormers on the facade, but found that it
would not diminish the character of the historic district overall. He found the
proposal complied with Design Guideline #9 on page 37 as the guideline
stated that new roof features should not be introduced if they compromised
the architectural integrity of the building, and he did not believe the dormers
diminished the character or compromised the integrity of the existing house.
Commissioner McCormick agreed with Commissioner Stiefbold. She found
that the proposed addition created by rebuilding the roof were a significant
change in terms of scale in both raising the roof line and adding dormers.
While other houses in the neighborhood had dormers, they were larger in
scale. She referenced Design Guideline #9 on page 5 that emphasized
protecting the property and its environment. She found that raising the roof
and dormers were significant changes to the size, scale, and proportion of the
existing building that were not congruous with other buildings in the vicinity
and did not comply with the Design Guidelines.
Commissioner Beriwal spoke to the different size of buildings in the districts.
She pointed out that proportionally, this application's increase in square
footage seemed to be a considerable change; however, she did not think the
commission should base their decision on the proportion of the size of the
new addition to the size of the existing house.
Chair Schwartz explained that the guidance from the Secretary of the Interior's
Standards as well as the Design Guidelines did not support the addition of
dormers or the modification of the roof form. He cited Specific Guideline #9
under Roofs that discouraged introducing new dormers. He found that
dormers were a much more prominent addition to the roof than the other
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examples listed in that specific guideline.
Counsel Brian Ferrell reviewed the role of the Land Use Management
Ordinance (LUMO) standards for congruity and the Design Guidelines in
informing the commission's decisions. He informed the commission that the
ultimate question of congruity is taken from the entire context of the historic
district as a whole as opposed to a narrow application of any design
guideline. The commission discussed preserving the integrity of the district
and the congruity standards. They reviewed the National Register nomination
to understand the site's architectural significance.
Chair Schwartz moved to invite comment from the applicant and any parties
wishing to speak on the item. The motion failed with the following vote:
Aye: 3 - Chair David Schwartz, Madhu Beriwal, and Vice-Chair Angela
Stiefbold
Nay: 4 - Deputy Vice-Chair Sean Murphy, Josh Gurlitz, Duncan
Lascelles, and Nancy McCormick
A motion was made by Murphy, seconded by Lascelles, to approve the
application as submitted with the revised plans submitted on July 24, 2020.
The motion carried by the following vote:
Aye: 4 - Deputy Vice-Chair Sean Murphy, Madhu Beriwal, Josh Gurlitz,
and Duncan Lascelles
Nay: 3 - Chair David Schwartz, Nancy McCormick, and Vice-Chair
Angela Stiefbold
New Business
5. 707 Gimghoul Road [20-0592]
Staff liaison Grahn explained that the applicant was returning to amend an
approved Certificate of Appropriateness. The applicant was requesting
modifications to the location of HVAC units as well as site design.
Ben Johnson, applicant, described the proposed modifications that entailed
relocating a HVAC unit and adding a HVAC unit, removing a proposed trash
receptacle, enclosing a rear porch and removing its exterior stairs, and
modifying to the proposed hardscapes. The commission discussed the
placement of the trash bins along Evergreen Lane, a private street.
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A motion was made by Murphy, seconded by Beriwal, to approve the
application. The motion carried by a unanimous vote.
6. 500 North Street [20-0593]
Staff liaison Grahn explained that this was an after-the-fact Certificate of
Appropriateness application for the construction of a stone swale to address
storm water drainage.
Tony Whitaker, engineer for the project, presented images of the constructed
drainage swale on the site and photos taken of the site. He described how
after a heavy rain, several inches of water would accumulate in the backyard
against the house's brick foundation, adjacent to the gas meter, and even
seep through the crawlspace door. He explained how the swale had been
designed to protect the house as well as existing trees and vegetation.
Whitaker and the commission discussed how landscaping would be
introduced later to help the curvilinear stone swale to blend into the
landscape, the maintenance of the swale, and the history of flooding on the
site.
A motion was made by Murphy, seconded by Stiefbold to approve the
application. The motion carried by a unanimous vote.
Historic District Commission Candidate Interviews
Historic District Commission Candidate Interviews [20-0481]
The commission discussed the two existing vacancies and the qualifications
of the candidates and their experience.
A motion was made by Schwartz, seconded by Murphy, to forward a positive
recommendation to the Town Council for the appointment of Anne Perl de Pal.
The motion carried with the following vote:
Aye: 6 - Chair David Schwartz, Deputy Vice-Chair Sean Murphy,
Madhu Beriwal, Josh Gurlitz, Nancy McCormick, and
Vice-Chair Angela Stiefbold
Abstain: 1 - Duncan Lascelles
A motion was made by Schwartz, seconded by Murphy, to forward a positive
recommendation to the Town Council for the appointment of Cathy Brigham.
The motion carried by unanimous vote.
Historic District Commission Training
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Secretary of the Interior's Standards & Legal Training [20-0633]
Staff liaison Grahn provided training on the Secretary of the Interior's
Standards. She discussed the history of the standard's development, the four
standards of historic preservation, and their application. She reviewed the
Secretary of the Interior's Standards for Rehabilitation, the seven aspects of
integrity, and how they related to local design guidelines.
Counsel Brian Ferrell described the powers of the Historic Preservation
Commission as authorized by state statute and the LUMO. He and the
commission reviewed the powers in LUMO 8.4.6 and discussed how these
duties have been carried out in the past.
Adjournment
Next Meeting - October 13, 2020
Order of Consideration of Agenda Items:
1. Staff Presentation
2. Applicant’s Presentation
3. Public Comment
4. Board Discussion
5. Motion
6. Restatement of Motion by Chair
7. Vote
8. Announcement of Vote by Chair
Public Charge: The Advisory Body pledges its respect to the public. The
Body asks the public to conduct themselves in a respectful, courteous
manner, both with the Body and with fellow members of the public.
Should any member of the Body or any member of the public fail to
observe this charge at any time, the Chair will ask the offending
person to leave the meeting until that individual regains personal
control. Should decorum fail to be restored, the Chair will recess the
meeting until a genuine commitment to this public charge is observed.
Unless otherwise noted, please contact the Planning Department at
919-968-2728; planning@townofchapelhill.org for more information on
the above referenced applications.
See the Advisory Boards page http://www.townofchapelhill.org/boards
for background information on this Board.
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Agenda
Town Hall
TOWN OF CHAPEL HILL 405 Martin Luther King Jr.
Boulevard
Historic District Commission Chapel Hill, NC 27514
Meeting Agenda
Chair David Schwartz Duncan Lascelles
Vice-Chair Sean Murphy Nancy McCormick
Madhu Beriwal Angela Stiefbold
Josh Gurlitz
Wednesday, September 23, 2020 6:30 PM Virtual Meeting
Virtual Meeting Notification
Opening
Roll Call
Secretary reads procedures into the record
Approval of Agenda
Announcements
Petitions
Approval of Minutes
1. August 11, 2020 Meeting Minutes [20-0589]
Attachments: August 11, 2020 Meeting Minutes
Election of Commission Officers
Election of Chair
Election of Vice Chair
Election of Deputy Vice Chair
Consent Agenda
2. 508 Boundary Street [20-0590]
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Attachments: Staff Report
Meeting Materials
3. 205 Wilson Street [20-0591]
Attachments: Staff Report
Application Materials
Old Business
4. 306 Ransom Street [20-0487]
Attachments: Staff Report
Application Materials
New Business
5. 707 Gimghoul Road [20-0592]
Attachments: Staff Report
Application Materials
6. 500 North Street [20-0593]
Attachments: Staff Report
Application Materials
Historic District Commission Candidate Interviews
7. Historic District Commission Candidate Interviews [20-0481]
Attachments: Staff Memo
Candidate Applications
Historic District Commission Training
Adjournment
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Order of Consideration of Agenda Items:
1. Staff Presentation
2. Applicant’s Presentation
3. Public Comment
4. Board Discussion
5. Motion
6. Restatement of Motion by Chair
7. Vote
8. Announcement of Vote by Chair
Public Charge: The Advisory Body pledges its respect to the public. The Body
asks the public to conduct themselves in a respectful, courteous manner, both
with the Body and with fellow members of the public. Should any member of the
Body or any member of the public fail to observe this charge at any time, the
Chair will ask the offending person to leave the meeting until that individual
regains personal control. Should decorum fail to be restored, the Chair will
recess the meeting until a genuine commitment to this public charge is observed.
Unless otherwise noted, please contact the Planning Department at
919-968-2728; planning@townofchapelhill.org for more information on the
above referenced applications.
See the Advisory Boards page http://www.townofchapelhill.org/boards for
background information on this Board.
http://www.townofchapelhill.org Page 3 of 3 Printed on 9/8/2020
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