Historic District Commission
Regular MeetingChapel Hill, NC · October 13, 2020
Minutes
Town Hall
TOWN OF CHAPEL HILL 405 Martin Luther King Jr.
Boulevard
Historic District Commission Chapel Hill, NC 27514
Meeting Minutes
Chair David Schwartz Josh Gurlitz
Vice-Chair Angela Stiefbold Duncan Lascelles
Deputy Vice-Chair Sean Murphy Nancy McCormick
Madhu Beriwal
Tuesday, October 13, 2020 6:30 PM Virtual Meeting
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Opening
Roll Call
Staff present: Anya Grahn, Liaison to Commission, Becky McDonnell, Liaison to
Commission, Brian Ferrell, Counsel to Commission
Present 6 - Chair David Schwartz, Vice-Chair Angela Stiefbold, Madhu
Beriwal, Josh Gurlitz, Duncan Lascelles, and Nancy
McCormick
Absent 1 - Deputy Vice-Chair Sean Murphy
Secretary reads procedures into the record
Approval of Agenda
A motion was made by Schwartz, seconded by McCormick, to approve the agenda.
Announcements
Petitions
Approval of Minutes
September 23, 2020 Meeting Minutes [20-0653]
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A motion was made by Schwartz, seconded by Beriwal, to approve the
meeting minutes as amended. The motion carried by a unanimous vote.
New Business
Historic District Design Guidelines Update [20-0654]
Staff liaison Grahn and Commissioner Stiefbold, chair of the Commission's
Design Guidelines Committee, provided an update of the Design Guideline
Revision project. Grahn reviewed the intent, purpose, and role of the local
design guidelines. She discussed their relationship to the Secretary of the
Interior's Standards. She explained the scope of the project to bring the
guidelines into compliance with the new 160D state law, expand existing
sections of the guidelines, introduce new sections to address key building
features such as foundations, improve the introduction sections of the
guidelines, and incorporate character essays to describe the distinct
character of each local historic district. Grahn provided a timeline showing
the completion of the project in February 2021. Stiefbold and Grahn asked
that the Commission provide input on three topics: sustainability, replacement
materials, and approval authority.
Stiefbold discussed state laws governing solar panel placement and the
National Park Service's recommendations for the installation of solar panels
on historic properties. She discussed the types of solar panels including solar
thermal (hot water) panels, solar photovoltaic panels, solar photovoltaic
shingles, and free standing panels. She presented images of solar panel
placement on historic buildings and asked the commission where it was
appropriate to install solar panels.
The Commission discussed the demand for solar panels in the historic district.
They spoke to the need to differentiate between new and old additions as well
as the reversibility of alterations to historic structures. Commissioners
discussed the 10 to 15 year payback on solar panels and the need to make
them visibly unobtrusive from the street. There was interest in ensuring that
the solar panels not exceed the ridgeline of the roof, that the panels have a
low profile, and that they match the roof pitch. The Commissioners stated that
roof-mounted solar panels, when placed on street-facing elevations, should
appear as a subordinate structural element and not visually overwhelm the
roof. The Commission also discussed that other sustainability features like
green roofs were not popular on residential construction and that they would
be open to reviewing wind turbines on a case-by-case basis in the future.
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Stiefbold spoke to the appropriateness of replacement materials based on the
National Park Service's (NPS) Preservation Briefs 8 and 16. She explained
that the NPS recommended the in-kind replacement of historic materials;
however, substitute materials could be considered when the historic material
was unavailable, skilled craftsmen were unavailable, there was an inherent
flaw in the original material, or the building code required a change. She
discussed the importance of substitute materials being compatible with
historic materials in appearance, physical properties, and performance
expectations. She pointed out common replacement material requests that
included windows, decorative features and siding, porch and deck floors,
fencing, and foundation materials.
The Commission discussed how windows contribute to the historic character
of a building. They found that the shape, size, profile, and fenestration
pattern all contribute to the historic appearance. They considered the
cumulative impact of replacing historic wood windows with contemporary
windows that do not always exactly match the profile and shadow lines of a
historic window as well as the availability and expense of craftsmen to restore
original wood windows. They also addressed the energy efficiency and
durability of new materials. They found that historic windows should be
preserved and restored when possible; however, in-kind replacement could
be considered in some circumstances. They considered the compatibility of
replacement window materials such as aluminum, fiberglass, and vinyl. There
was an interest in listing appropriate materials that were generally accepted
by the commission as well as encouraging applicants to provide greater detail
in their Certificate of Appropriateness (COA) applications to demonstrate how
closely the replacement window matched the historic window.
Stiefbold asked the Commission when and where replacement and
contemporary siding materials should be permitted. They discussed different
siding profiles and materials, including Hardiplank, engineered wood, and
resins. The Commission again found that priority should be given to
preservation, restoration, and in-kind replacement of historic materials, but
substitute materials could be considered where it matched the profile, width,
shape, texture, and appearance of the historic material. They also talked
about the performance and longevity of replacement materials. Grahn,
Counsel Ferrell, and the Commission spoke to the challenges of revising the
guidelines due to the frequency with which new construction materials are
made available on the market.
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The Commission also discussed the height, location, and materials of fences.
Commissioner Beriwal explained that the current design guidelines had misled
her to propose a metal fence that was not approved by the Commission.
Some found that the design guidelines should make a distinction between the
types of fences permitted in front versus rear yards. Many found that
backyard fences can have more flexibility in design and materials because
they are not visible from the street, and there was an interest in maintaining
the open feel of front yards. They considered the need for garden fences and
Stiefbold explained that the Design Guideline Committee had recommended
against the Historic District Commission regulating seasonal garden fencing
or temporary fencing. There was concern that modern materials, such as
Trex, were too reflective and were not consistent with the matte finish of
painted wood fences. The Commission considered the performance of
contemporary materials and the patina they form over time. They found that
traditional materials were preferable, but contemporary materials may be
appropriate on a case-by-case basis.
Stiefbold presented different concrete paving options. The Commission
discussed how pavers could be used to address storm water drainage and
flooding. There was interest in preserving existing red brick and Chapel Hill
grit on both public and private walkways in the town's historic districts. There
was concern that flat concrete lacked the texture achieved by concrete pavers
and stamped concrete. Generally, the commission found that contemporary
materials, if used, should evoke the materials traditionally used in the districts
and that concrete pavers may be acceptable in some circumstances.
Grahn described the existing approval authority given to staff, as outlined on
page 69 of the Design Guidelines. She pointed out items that staff commonly
approved as well as those items that typically were approved by the
Commission on their consent agenda. She explained the delegation of review
authority that Raleigh used, whereby projects are categorized as routine
maintenance, minor work, or major work. She summarized staff and
commission approval authorities in Raleigh. She presented a list of these
items to the Commission and requested they break them into three categories:
those items that staff could approve, those items that staff could approve
under some conditions, and those items the commission should always
approve.
The Commission discussed increasing the range of activities that could be
administratively approved. They found that items that could alter the historic
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character of the districts should be reviewed by the Commission. Some found
that greater specificity of the design standards would provide better direction
for administrative approvals.
The Commission continued the discussion to the November 2, 2020, meeting
to allow more time to review and consider these items.
Adjournment
Next Meeting - November 2, 2020
Order of Consideration of Agenda Items:
1. Staff Presentation
2. Applicant’s Presentation
3. Public Comment
4. Board Discussion
5. Motion
6. Restatement of Motion by Chair
7. Vote
8. Announcement of Vote by Chair
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manner, both with the Body and with fellow members of the public.
Should any member of the Body or any member of the public fail to
observe this charge at any time, the Chair will ask the offending
person to leave the meeting until that individual regains personal
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meeting until a genuine commitment to this public charge is observed.
Unless otherwise noted, please contact the Planning Department at
919-968-2728; planning@townofchapelhill.org for more information on
the above referenced applications.
See the Advisory Boards page http://www.townofchapelhill.org/boards
for background information on this Board.
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Agenda
Town Hall
TOWN OF CHAPEL HILL 405 Martin Luther King Jr.
Boulevard
Historic District Commission Chapel Hill, NC 27514
Meeting Agenda
Chair David Schwartz Josh Gurlitz
Vice-Chair Angela Stiefbold Duncan Lascelles
Deputy Vice-Chair Sean Murphy Nancy McCormick
Madhu Beriwal
Tuesday, October 13, 2020 6:30 PM Virtual Meeting
Virtual Meeting Notification
Opening
Roll Call
Secretary reads procedures into the record
Approval of Agenda
Announcements
Petitions
Approval of Minutes
September 23, 2020 Meeting Minutes [20-0653]
Attachments: September 23, 2020 Meeting Minutes
New Business
Historic District Design Guidelines Update [20-0654]
Attachments: Staff Report
Adjournment
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Historic District Commission Meeting Agenda October 13, 2020
Order of Consideration of Agenda Items:
1. Staff Presentation
2. Applicant’s Presentation
3. Public Comment
4. Board Discussion
5. Motion
6. Restatement of Motion by Chair
7. Vote
8. Announcement of Vote by Chair
Public Charge: The Advisory Body pledges its respect to the public. The Body
asks the public to conduct themselves in a respectful, courteous manner, both
with the Body and with fellow members of the public. Should any member of the
Body or any member of the public fail to observe this charge at any time, the
Chair will ask the offending person to leave the meeting until that individual
regains personal control. Should decorum fail to be restored, the Chair will
recess the meeting until a genuine commitment to this public charge is observed.
Unless otherwise noted, please contact the Planning Department at
919-968-2728; planning@townofchapelhill.org for more information on the
above referenced applications.
See the Advisory Boards page http://www.townofchapelhill.org/boards for
background information on this Board.
http://www.townofchapelhill.org Page 2 of 2 Printed on 9/29/2020
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