Finance Committee
Regular MeetingGahanna, OH · May 27, 2014
Minutes
Office of the Clerk of Council
City of Gahanna 200 South Hamilton Road
Gahanna, Ohio 43230
Meeting Minutes
Finance Committee
Michael Schnetzer, Chair, Karen J. Angelou, Ryan P. Jolley,
Thomas R. Kneeland, Brian D. Larick, Jamie Leeseberg, Stephen A. Renner
Kimberly McWilliams, CMC, Clerk of Council
Tuesday, May 27, 2014 Council Committee Rooms
Immediately Following Committee of the Whole
ROLL CALL
Present 5 - Karen J. Angelou, Michael Schnetzer, Ryan P. Jolley, Stephen A. Renner,
and Thomas R. Kneeland
Absent 2 - Brian D. Larick, and Jamie Leeseberg
ADDITIONAL ATTENDEES
City Attorney Ewald, Mayor Stinchcomb, Anthony Jones, Jennifer Teal,
Dottie Franey, Matt Holdren, Sue Wadley, Rory Gaydos, Tony Collins,
Chief Murphy, Karl Wetherholt, Niel Jurist, Gen. Williams, Clerk
McWilliams, Michael Blackford, Jean Hoffman, Press.
ITEMS - From the Director of Finance
4. Comprehensive Master Plan Presentation
Jones introduced Tony Slanek, Principal at OHM; he has done several
plans for us as well as comprehensive plans for communities
throughout Ohio; does have handouts.
Slanek shared that he teaches at OSU, School of Architecture;
Gahanna has the second largest planning firm in Ohio and one of the
top 5 in the midwest right here; OHM has 16 planners on staff; have
done a lot of work related to economic development, master plans,
neighborhood plans, etc.; was approached by Jones to talk to you
about planning; there are lots of documents that could come out of a
master plan; brought an important document tonight that comes out of
Planning and Urban Design Standards; this outlines why you would do
any plan; any community can tailor any planning process to a budget;
the Vision Plan done previously was basically Creekside Phase 2;
there were things that could still actually happen in the future; a lot of
opportunity in Gahanna; also did the Hamilton Road Corridor Plan;
that got the ball rolling; City of Greene, Ohio, wanted to determine how
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they would grow in the future; we ended up doing a vision plan for the
entire community; went through 2 week visioning process; developed
a plan to get a tool to get what you want; it's about retainment and
attraction; where are we trying to go, as a community, 20 years out; all
comes under the umbrella of comprehensive planning; then we need
to rethink economic development and look at it as return on
investment; have to have a very serious conversation about debt and
how much we are willing to operate under; critical to where we are
going; come up with strategies to attract private sector investment that
minimizes risk; some tenents related to comprehensive planning are
funding for the future, strength in structure, and a place for talent.;
these are things you want to talk about; common Ohio scenario is a
development ends up as a net loss when the cost to maintain it is
more than the income collected; 12 types of plans were outlined as
opportunities for planning here in the City of Gahanna; a
comprehensive plan is big and expensive; area plans, corridor plans,
downtown plans are more specific; comprehensive plan is an official,
adopted plan; there is some other strategic planning you can do; those
are outside the fray of adoptability; comprehensive plan looks at the
big picture; coordinates local decision making; gives guidance to
landowners and developers; understanding the private sector helps
OHM to plan with public sector entities; a comprehensive plan is a tool
for planning for the city but is also a tool to attract businesses;
comprehensive planning also establishes a sound basis in fact for
decisions; comprehensive plan involves a broad array of interests in a
discussion about the long range future; builds an informed
constituency; a comprehensive plan must contain an implementation
program; includes a list of specific public or private actions organized
by their scheduled execution date (short, medium or long term); typical
actions include capital projects, changes to land development, etc.
Slanek referenced the handout for reasons to prepare an economic
development plan; if I were asked for a recommendation, knowing
Gahanna, my prescription would be a comprehensive plan on a diet
with a focus on economic development; we will then have objectives
from comprehensive plan and we can focus dollars on the objectives
from plan and make sure it has the largest return on investment.
Angelou said it becomes an ongoing process. Slanek said yes, it
doesn't have to be dollars, could be energy; need to get that focused;
spend the first few years setting up things in place to achieve goals.
Mayor said we talk about being practically built out; we have spent lots
of money on lots of plans; given that, how does it look for a mature
city. Slanek said you need to understand the whole before you look at
the pieces; need to look at them through an economic lens, based on
our financial situation now; one of the things is density; we need to
reach out to community and see what their taste for development is
because it is coming; each community has some unique things you
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can leverage from; Gahanna has a lot to offer. Jolley asked about a
timeline for a robust citizen engagement process. Slanek said
comprehensive plan on a diet, which is what I recommend, would
guess it is a 12 month process for entire plan; 6-8 months in, we can
start to move on the economic development plan; can be very
focused, very strategic; that will inform the comprehensive plan; 2
different tools that will be moved to promote that growth; public
involvement all the way through; a lot of information gathering.
Holdren asked for a successful percentage for a city of our size to be
statistically valid. Slanek said doing one now for about 28,000
residents and we are shooting for 400 participants. Kneeland said with
what we have today, plans on the shelf, is it possible to reintegrate
those into the comprehensive plan. Slanek said yes, that is why I
recommend the comprehensive plan on a diet; have to evaluate the
existing plans; there is a legal presence in every page of these things.
Schnetzer said you mentioned some other communities are gearing
up; what are some goals/challenges. Slanek said debt is killing
everyone; cities are too indebted or leveraged; mostly economic
development. Schnetzer said Gahanna is only one governmental
entity in this city; how do you see us working with other governmental
entities to follow through with a plan. Slanek said everyone is looking
at consolidating services; anything that would take the cost burden off
of some City services; couple of cities in northeast Ohio have nearly
cut their costs in half by sharing services. Schnetzer asked if there is
an example of different governmental agencies coming together on a
plan. Slanek said no.
1. Sustainable Operating Model Questions/Discussion
Teal said we think about this process as concurrent tracks; the
sustainable operating model exists already; eventually this model will
evolve into the 2015 appropriations; are there more questions and
issues to discuss; we have also identified a bunch of other big picture
items; the focus may have started in a more narrow place; it has
opened wider; my goal is to find out any specific issues or questions
on the documents sent out last committee; tax budget will be based on
operating model; is not binding; still have 6 months to hammer that
out; wanted folks to understand what is in it. Collins said from a
layman's perspective, those discussion items can seem like the silver
bullet to fix the financial problems; we asked hard questions of each
other when this process started. Teal said the reserve policy is a good
example of a hard stop discussion item; there are others that we have
to discuss; did not receive any questions from Council or the public
since last meeting.
Schnetzer said can you give some degree of likelihood of receiving
corporate sponsorships for community events. Collins said the major
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community events like Blues & Jazz Festival is put on by the
Convention and Visitors Bureau (CVB); we provide support for those;
there is a cost to that; we basically submit an invoice to the CVB after
the event; the CVB will go out and get corporate sponsors for that;
there are City events that are smaller; we've had about $80,000 in
events that have been cancelled; Creekside Live is still on; Parks &
Recreation Foundation puts that on and is funded by liquor sales.
Schnetzer asked about ongoing expenditures beyond 2015, are
swimming pools not funded. Collins said we have said City will not
fund pools next year; have no responses at this point; YMCA did not
submit a proposal but continuing to work with them; putting together a
way to discuss the pools separately.
Jolley said we just had a conversation on planning; we're talking about
things we may or may not spend money on; we have no idea what the
vision for this City is and what the residents' vision is; how quickly are
we going to move into that planning stage; don't care how we get there
if we don't know where we're going; my personal opinion is we are
spinning our wheels; have no direction on what we're saving our
pennies for; would like to see us moving in the direction of planning;
great presentation tonight; thanked Jones for bringing in Slanek;
presentations from Collins and Teal have been fantastic; they are
missing direction from us; what are we looking at in terms of a time
frame for starting this; time is slipping away; work we have done is
great but still don't know where we are headed. Schnetzer asked
group for agreement on a comprehensive plan. Kneeland said yes.
Jones said he would recommend putting a request for proposals
(RFP) together and solicit responses. Schnetzer said in regards to the
more granular plans, can we put those together and share them with
Council. Jones said yes. Teal likened the process to making a quilt;
how do we put all these pieces together into something that looks like
something; inventory as a resource would be fantastic. Mayor said it is
important that we do a plan; Hilliard spent $1 million on a plan. Jones
said it is on Hilliard City website. Mayor said we have to be pragmatic
in our approach; cannot write an RFP unless we really know what we
want; are we all on the same page to write a really good RFP. Jolley
asked what the process would be for writing the RFP; how much of
what we've done could be included. Jones said it is bigger than
Development but there are other RFPs that other communities have
done that we can get a hold of; we have done a lot of work; can come
up with some examples and that can be a basis for us. Angelou said
the work we have been done is a key element in this. Teal said we
may have bought a month or two with all of our work. Collins said as a
staff, we need to operate; this is a 12 month process; in the mean
time, we need to spend money and it will keep evolving. Jolley said do
not want to imply that any of our work is invalid or unimportant.
Kneeland said we're not Hilliard either; we are built out; hope we'd
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never spend $1 million on this. Teal said just to add information on
timing, I issued a Request for Quotations (RFQ) for investment
services in early May; will get responses back on Friday; would be
able to kick off with a vendor in September; so it also takes at least 3
months to get a vendor; no one wants to rush that through so it's
frustrating but important time to consider. Mayor added that is why we
are working to find out how to function day to day.
2. Discussion Questions
Collins distributed Discussion Questions. Teal said not a ton left at top
of list; Master Plan was already discussed; item for this evening was,
"Have the risks of future economic downturn been incorporated in
model?". Teal continued that the short answer was not completely;
there are a lot of variables; have forecasted conservatively instead; we
are constantly looking at it; each month we review our reconciliation
data from RITA; there are things we can't predict but those big
variables tend to cancel each other out; feel that while not scientifically
perfect, the method works; we always make sure to validate trends
against what we've modeled. Schnetzer said as we start to budget 5
and 10 years out, how do we make those decisions when we are
looking at year after year data. Teal said she would be open to any
additional tools you could provide; next committee we'll have the tax
budget.
3. Sustainability Website
Teal wanted to share that we have a website now.
Angelou said all the plans in the world mean nothing if they sit on a
shelf; have to be really careful to ensure we implement them; MORPC
has a lot of plans as well.
Teal said www.gahanna.gov/sustainability.aspx is where you can
access all the documents we have been working on; the Suppliers,
Inputs, Process, Outputs and Customers (SIPOC) tool is there to help
us remember and see a measure of success here; there are links to
the actual documents that we have been talking about; the timeline,
discussion questions and operating model are out there; our goal as
we move forward is to keep putting them up there as we have
updates; if we develop additional outputs, we will put them there, too;
it is accessible under many of the tabs.
Kneeland asked about the performance dashboard. Teal said if you go
to Government, right under sustainability, the document for Quarter 1
is there. Angelou said there was a question on this document
regarding average number of full time employees from 2012 and
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2013. Wadley said that number is incorrect; it includes part-time; we
will come forth with a revision.
Schnetzer asked if the idea is that we will eventually check these off
the list (Discussion Questions). Teal said we will timeline the
remainder of items to run concurrently with budget process later in the
summer.
Jayme Maxwell, CMC, Reporting
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Agenda
Office of the Clerk of Council
City of Gahanna 200 South Hamilton Road
Gahanna, Ohio 43230
Meeting Agenda
Finance Committee
Michael Schnetzer, Chair, Karen J. Angelou, Ryan P. Jolley,
Thomas R. Kneeland, Brian D. Larick, Jamie Leeseberg, Stephen A. Renner
Kimberly McWilliams, CMC, Clerk of Council
Tuesday, May 27, 2014 Council Committee Rooms
Immediately Following Committee of the Whole
ITEMS - From the Director of Finance
1. Sustainable Operating Model Questions/Discussion
2. Discussion Questions
3. Sustainability Website
4. Comprehensive Master Plan Presentation
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