City Council Agendas & Minutes
Regular MeetingHampton, VA · March 24, 2010
Minutes
City of Hampton, VA 22 Lincoln Street
Meeting Minutes Hampton, VA 23669
www.hampton.gov
City Council
Randall A. Gilliland Joseph H. Spencer, II
Ross A. Kearney, II George E. Wallace
Angela Lee Leary Paige V. Washington, Jr.
Molly Joseph Ward, Mayor
Staff:
Mary Bunting, City Manager
Cynthia Hudson, City Attorney
Katherine K. Glass, Clerk of Council
Brenda J. Vaccarelli, Deputy Clerk
Wednesday, March 24, 2010 1:00 PM Hampton Roads Convention Center
CALL TO ORDER/ROLL CALL
Molly Joseph Ward presided
Present: Randall A. Gilliland, Ross A. Kearney, II, Joseph H. Spencer, II, George E.
Wallace, Paige V. Washington, Jr.
Absent: Anglea Lee Leary
Mayor Ward called the meeting to order at 1:02 p.m. She shared that Councilman
Gilliland was on the way and Councilwoman Leary was attending a medical appointment
with her husband.
Councilman Gilliland arrived at 1:03 p.m.
Agenda
1. 10-0113 Budget Process Update
PRESENTED by Mary Bunting, City Manager; Karl Daughtrey, Finance Director; Chris
Snead, Budget Director; John Eagle, Assistant City Manager; and James A.
"Pete" Peterson, Assistant City Manager.
Ms. Mary Bunting, City Manager, thanked everyone for attending and agreeing to
conduct the session in a more formal work session than they historically do. She said
she believes this will make for a freer flowing session as they go through all the data
they will need to go through today. The City Manager said they have a series of things
to go through with Council and it will be done in a combination of open and closed
session items. She explained the open session will be a review of our revenues. She
said they have applied revenue estimates since the first time staff came to Council which
is a combination of things such as final real estate numbers from the assessor. She said
the Commissioner of the Revenue will provide staff information about the personal
property tax rolls and then as the Peninsula Town Center comes on line they will see
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some of the generic performances and projects and retailers and see who was
announced and signed leases and those kinds of things, reliable projections on meal
taxes and the like and Mr. Karl Daughtrey, Director of Finance, will walk through those.
They will also cover, to the extent they are able, the State budget situation and when the
State adopts, how it applies to us at a local level which can be very challenging. Some
of the things are done on a formula basis and we can tell you what our implication is with
HB599 revenues. Others, like Social Services, we are going to take all this out as we
don't know what our allocation is until they actually send that down and Mr. Daughtrey
will share with you the best he can on that. As a result of the revised revenues, Ms.
Chris Snead, Budget Director, will walk you through the revised budget gap that we are
starting with. We want to spend the bulk of today talking about how we as a budget
team are looking to bridge that gap. There are things we want to get Council feedback
and reaction to because if Council is not comfortable with the direction staff is going they
still have time to change course. She said they will also discuss possible fee increases
that staff would like Council to entertain. She said they have taken the approach of
having to avoid any general tax type of increase as much as possible, but rather focus
on programmatic fees where the cost of service has gone up over the years and they
have not adjusted the fees to keep up with the costs. The City Manager said they will
also discuss a plan to balance and offset some of the one-time expenses and that is part
and parcel with the Capital Budget because a lot of those one-time expenses are in the
Capital Budget and they have scaled back because of the economy, and minimize use
of fund balance as much as possible. She said they will also discuss the employee
survey and benefit changes. What we got from the employees in terms of their
preferences and staff’s reaction as to that if we need to go that route, where we are likely
to go and why we are likely to go that path. She explained that once they do that then
they will move into some of the more personnel specific items in closed session. The
City Manager noted that there are one or two other closed session matters to be
discussed. In terms of managing our time that is what we are trying to achieve today.
The City Manager said Mr. Daughtrey would begin unless there were questions from
Council.
Councilman Kearney asked what the time frame for the meeting was. In response, the
City Manager said she hopes to be finished by 4:30 and a lot of that depends on how
much time Council wants to spend on discussions. She noted that staff presentations
are being kept to a minimum as much as possible.
Overview of State Budget Approved by the General Assembly
State Budget Update
Mr. Daughtrey referred to Tab 2 in the notebooks provided to Council and stated the
General Assembly budget was adopted on March,14, 2010, and is basically a $70 billion
two-year budget. He noted that the budget has unprecedented cuts both to state
programs, local governments and school boards. Mr. Daughtrey stated that despite all
the reductions we breathed a sigh of relief because it wasn’t as bad as the House
Budget amendments.
Strategies Used to Balance the Budget
Mr. Daughtrey stated State used some key strategies to balance their budget and
budgeted new fees or higher fees as part of the budget process. He said they also use
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Federal Stimulus dollars because of the Health and Human Services Budget and they
bulked up their 2 year revenue forecast to $262 million. Mr. Daughtrey said it was
important to note the deferral of $504 million to the Virginia Retirement System (VRS) for
State employees. He explained the State is reducing their contribution rate to the VRS
and have indicated that they will repay that back over a ten year period with interest. He
further explained that the State did not allow the localities to take advantage of this
mechanism to reduce their budget.
Impact on Local Governments
Mr. Daughtrey said they were pleased to see that the State maintained its $1.9 billion of
the Car Tax Relief Program and the City will continue to receive $15.4 million. He said
that generally provides 60% tax relief on the citizens’ personal property tax bills. He said
the State also restored some of the HB599 funding for the police services and the City's
share is going to be $6.8 million, a reduction of $674,000. Mr. Daughtrey said it is better
than anticipated.
Councilman Kearney stated three years ago the Commonwealth of Virginia took away
our ABC board funds. Mr. Daughtrey noted that also includes wine taxes.
Councilman Kearney asked if he remembered correctly that it was almost a million
dollars and that money was supposed to be rolled over to the 599 funds. In response,
Mr. Daughtrey stated that was not correct and that it is used for other State purposes.
Councilman Kearney said the State was supposed to give it back to us in another fund
and he thought it was going to be in the 599 funds. In response, Mr. Daughtrey said he
wasn’t sure.
Councilman Kearney said in other words the State just took the resources and never
gave it back to us. In response, Mr. Daughtrey said that was correct.
Councilman Kearney said he hopes that when the City distributes position papers they
should reiterate the situation that fell into our lap the last three years and the City had no
recourse. He said the ABC tax was originally put in after prohibition so the local
communities could govern and keep tabs on the sale, use and distribution of alcoholic
beverages and the State has taken that position away from us and he believes it is
wrong.
Vice Mayor Spencer noted that some communities didn’t even have alcohol because
they were dry counties and dry cities.
Jail Per Diem Funding
Mr. Daughtrey stated the State budget cuts the jail per diem reimbursement from $8 to
$4 a day per prisoner and also changes the State per diem for State responsible
inmates. He noted this is expected to have about a half million dollar impact on the City.
Virginia Juvenile Community Crime Control Act Funding
Mr. Daughtrey said the funding source for detention centers in Virginia was reduced by
5%, or a $21,000 impact. He noted that in 2008, the State implemented what it calls a
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reduction in state aid to localities and they set aside $50 million that they were going to
take away from all of the localities. He explained the City’s share of that $50 million is
$1.1 million. He further explained the budget increases that $50 million to $60 million
and that is likely to have a $200,000 impact on the City’s budget. Mr. Daughtrey stated
this is another source of revenue the State is taking from the City. He said they will write
a check to the State in January 2011 for $1.3 million.
Councilman Wallace asked if that included the $20,000. In response, Mr. Daughtrey said
that was correct.
Councilman Wallace said they should make a copy of the check and send it to the Daily
Press people so they can see it is aid to the State. Councilman Gilliland asked if it was
aid to the State. In response, the City Manager said it is aid to the State and that is
what some localities call it in their budget documents. She noted that in Governor
Kaine's original budget he zeroed this out so when the General Assembly adopted this
all these have the affect of causing the State cuts to go up. She said some get better,
but some like this one which is a $1.3 million, actually got worse because it was not in
the original State budget cut submission.
Councilman Wallace said they are not going to cut you all the way across your throat,
but just half way and you will bleed just as much.
Libraries, Electoral Board, Constitutional Officers
Mr. Daughtrey said the State is reducing funding to libraries by 15% which is a $33,000
impact to the City and the State is reducing funding for the Registrar and Electoral
Boards by 20%, which is about $13,000. He noted that the State is restoring some of
the funding to the Constitutional officers but they won’t know the full impact of that until
March 26, 2010. He said that will be applied to the impact to the City and staff will
provide Council with those details once we have them.
Councilman Wallace asked if there are any opportunities for us to consolidate the
Constitutional officers and the City’s Finance Department. In response, Mr. Daughtrey
deferred to the City Manager and stated the Finance Department doesn’t dupliceate any
services that the Treasurer and Commissioner of the Revenue do. He said it would be
more or less supervising those functions to see if the synergy of the resources can be
combined and whether you can reduce resources at the same level of tax.
Councilman Wallace said he knows there are some models in other communities.
Mr. Daughtrey said he knows the City of Richmond, Virginia doesn’t have a combined
function, it has a separate treasury function but they finance the whole function. He
said he doesn’t know of any combined function.
Mayor Ward said it is unique to Hampton and the Treasurer doesn’t do the investments.
She said Finance has already taken over that and that changes the relationship.
The City Manager stated Governor Kaine originally zeroed out all funding for Treasurers
and Commissioners of the Revenue with the exception of the salaries. She said he also
included a provision that would have allowed localities to disinvest from those offices
and bring all those functions into City government. She explained that as the General
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Assembly restored money to the offices they also killed the legislative authority that
would have enabled us to do that. The status quo remains that to disinvest there would
have to be a voter referendum eliminating the offices. The City Manager said they
certainly could reduce the functions where it is not clear functionality like the investments
that have already been done, but the legislative authority that would have enabled us to
do that more freely was killed by the General Assembly. She said they had a
conversation with a variety of localities regarding that issue and compared to other
localities Hampton has an exceptionally smooth relationship with the Commissioner of
the Revenue and the Treasurer. She said she doubted if they would save any money if
they had to pick up the positions out of those offices.
Social Services
Mr. Daughtrey said the State budget reduces a number of programs for the Social
Services programs and individual locality cuts have not been provided.
Councilman Wallace said he would like to know what the cuts are before we come to a
conclusion and arbitrarily change it without any consideration.
The City Manager said she believes as they receive more detail staff can come back and
share that information with Council. She said the services we are talking about tend to
be reactive services like general relief and monies that are in the Medicaid programs and
those kinds of things. She noted that typically the State is paying anywhere from 80% to
100% of that cost and when they pass that on to the City it would be 80% to 100% of
picking up that cost. The City Manager said the prevention programs that we do have
are already operating substantially with local dollars and if we do lose any State support
of those she wouldn’t necessarily have the same position. She said Mr. Daughtrey is
referencing the ones where the local Social Services Department is the administrator of
Medicaid and other funds. She said from a social policy perspective she doesn’t like the
fact the State is making cuts in those areas but she believes it would be very hard for the
City to pick up the full expense of those programs if the State decided to cut them.
Public Education
Mr. Daughtrey said the General Assembly reduced public education by almost $600
million and he has learned from our school system that they are losing $19.7 million in
State revenues. He said their total budget is being reduced by $24.7 million in revenues.
Mr. Daughtrey noted that he had a conversation prior to the meeting which is why the
information is not included in the presentation materials.
Councilman Wallace asked what the difference was in Federal money. In response Mr.
Daughtrey said the other is miscellaneous local revenue.
The City Manager said the schools have a million dollar loss from the City due to the
local funding formula. She said she talked with Dr. Linda Shifflette, Superintendent of
Schools, this morning (March 24, 2010) and the schools budgeted for a greater impact
from the State and a greater impact from the City based upon preliminary projections
and they will be meeting with the School Board tonight to talk about roughly $5 to $6
million in things they will be able to restore because of the State budget situation. The
City Manager said even though it is awful, it is better than what they budgeted for and
the City’s situation got better than what they had budgeted for so the schools are going
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to be in the position of restoring some positions and various other kinds of operating
expenses.
Mayor Ward asked if the City’s decrease is $1 million, what is the rest. In response Mr.
Daughtrey said it is various miscellaneous revenue resources.
The City Manager said it is Federal impact aid, athletic fees and those kinds of things.
She said originally they were told to plan for a $2.7 million decrease and based on the
preliminary funding formula projections that is what the formula would have produced but
as our revenue projections were more refined and we ran it through for a final number it
was roughly a million dollars not $2.7 million, and they were very appreciative of that.
Overall Impact for the City
Mr. Daughtrey said staff has built in a revenue loss of $4.3 million from the State and
that is the worst case scenario based on Governor Kaine's budget as well as the House
amendments, and they know that number will improve. He explained that over the next
couple of days as he receives more information from the State they will likely have some
restoration to $4.3 million. He further explained that number may range from $400,000
and upward.
Virginia Retirement System (VRS)
Mr. Daughtrey said effective July1, 2010, the State is requiring all new employees to pay
their 5% contribution to VRS and the State is also giving the locality the ability to pass
that contribution on to the employees. He said as a part of the City’s budget process,
they are recommending that we pass a 5% member contribution to new employees
starting July 1, 2010.
Councilman Wallace asked if it was the entire 5%. In response, Mr. Daughtrey said for
existing employees, the City could pick up from 1% to 5% and staff is recommending the
City pick up 4% and the employees pick up 1%. Mr. Daughtrey said Ms. Chris Snead
will talk more about that later in her presentation.
Councilman Wallace asked about the $770,000. In response, Mr. Daughtrey said he
believes $500,000 was budgeted.
The City Manager explained that $770,000 was across all funds but some positions will
be eliminated in the budget process so the net result of the general fund only and then
the reduction of positions; Solid Waste funds; Coliseum funds; and all of our Enterprise
funds.
Councilman Wallace asked if the general fund generates those and would the net money
be coming into the funds. In response, the City Manager said only $500,000 of that
helps the general fund and the other part would help the other funds. For instance, all
the solid waste employees who would now pay their 1% that helps the solid waste fund.
She said the way they do the accounting it would go to the benefit of the general fund.
Mr. Daughtrey said the State is changing the eligibility for retirement. He explained that
previously an employee could retire with full benefits at 50 years of age and 30 years of
service. He said they are moving that to the rule of 90, which is 60 years of age with 30
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years of service. He said the long term perspective is that it is going to drive down the
cost of retirement to local government into the State retirement system and they
indicated it would make it more comparable to the private sector.
City of Hampton FY11 Revenue Projects
Mr. Daughtrey provided Council with an overview of the revenue projections for FY 11.
He said staff developed the projections with the assistance of Mr. Ross Mugler,
Commissioner of the Revenue, Mr. Bob Williams, Treasurer and other staff throughout
the City including Mr. Jim Wilson, Director of Parks and Recreation, Mr. Steve Shapiro,
Director of Codes Compliances, Healthy Family Partnerships and a number of other
staff. He said the revenue projections are based on current fees and rates that are in
place now. Mr. Daughtrey said they are not planning any fee increases that Council will
be looking at and Ms. Snead will talk about some proposed fee increases later in her
presentation.
Revenue Estimates
Mr. Daughtrey provided Council information showing the revenue projections by major
revenue classification. He stated the fiscal year revenue projections total $294.6 million
which is $3.5 million less than the FY2010 budget. He said $2.1 million of that reduction
is related to appropriations from fund balance. He noted that they are budgeting less
one time uses of fund balance.
Mayor Ward asked if that is from undesignated fund balance or designated fund
balance. In response, Mr. Daughtrey said it is undesignated fund balance and they were
$9 to $10 million above policy and they still have $5 to $6 million above policy.
Mayor Ward said they took $6 million out last year
Mr. Daughtrey reminded Council that they didn’t have to use the full $6 million because
our revenues were better than anticipated and we had expenditure savings.
Councilman Wallace asked, with the anticipated savings at the end of this current fiscal
year, might we be able to move forward and not have to take the entire $2.1 million out
of fund balance.
Mr. Daughtrey said he anticipates that they would come close to what we budgeted for
2010, although they have some State reductions. He explained they have some positive
impacts in personal property and real estate and expects the revenues to be pretty much
close to what they budgeted at the end of 2010.
Mayor Ward asked if they were going to take any money out of designated fund balance.
In response, the City Manager said they are not going to take it out of designated fund
balance.
Mayor Ward said she thought that is what they were using for retirement.
The City Manager said that would be happening in this fiscal year and it will be paid out
this year.
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Ms. Snead said if they have savings it will be in the positions they held open with the
exception of capital projects that roll over.
Mr. Daughtrey said from a revenue perspective he expects to be pretty much on budget
and he doesn't expect that to generate any significant revenues over budget. He said
Ms. Snead will talk about the expenditure side.
Mayor Ward said they might see a better case scenario than the $4.3 million and she
hates to take that much from the fund balance.
Mr. Daughtrey said they are above the policy and still will be.
Mayor Ward said that might increase that number. In response, Mr. Daughtrey said it
could.
Councilman Wallace stated all three rating agencies reflected in their narrative about the
fact that we had not used a significant amount of fund balance and that we anticipate
using a lesser amount this year.
Mayor Ward said she hates to use it to fill a budget hole.
Councilman Wallace asked if a different scenario is anticipated. In response, the City
Manager stated we are certainly sensitive to that but you cannot perpetually rely on that
and we need to be able to have a transition plan and you will see there are more
expenses in the capital budget, one time expenses that we could have done than the $4
million.
The City Manager said they are going to make a deliberate step down from the use of
fund balance but last year they had roughly $12 or $13 million in excess of fund balance
and when we did $6 million we deliberately saved half to help us make that transition
over one or two more years. She said the plan is $6 million one year, $4 million the
next, step down another $2 million as the economy improves so that you are not
perpetually relying on it but you are doing it in a strategic deliberate transitional fashion,
and that is why we came up with $4 million. She stated there was some thought to use
more than that because we have more in excess of fund balance but the team ultimately
agreed that it was tempting, but not wise. The City Manager said she believes this is a
comfortable level to use and we will still have money left in excess of fund balance that
could be used again next year if necessary to get through what everyone thought would
be a three year or so transitional economy process.
Mayor Ward said she didn’t object to using funds for one time expenditures and they all
agree that is important. In response, the City Manager said it is not being used for rainy
day items.
Mayor Ward said she can call it whatever she wants but at the end of the day if they
don’t have enough income to meet expenses it is revenue borrowed from the fund
balance.
The City Manager said it is being used specifically for the capital budget which is truly
one time uses. She said she understands where Mayor Ward is going, and she doesn’t
mean to be combative but it is truly for one time things.
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The City Manager said she would hate for the Daily Press to characterize it as plugging
the hole because that is not what it is.
Councilman Kearney said during the good years we were putting more money into fund
balance than we needed.
Mayor Ward said she just wants everyone to be at the same place and live in reality.
Councilman Kearney stated we are all asked by the general public how we are doing
and his answer has been that he believes Hampton has been pretty well prepared for
what is occurring right now. He said it is what we are getting from the State that is really
tripping us up right now and we don’t have control over that and it is a point of concern.
The City Manager said the rating agencies said we had prepared well and it gave us
more flexibility than some other localities because we did have such a healthy fund
balance position.
The City Manager said if you are ever going to use it this is the time to use it.
FY11 Revenue Estimates by Classification
Mr. Daughtrey provided Council with information showing the total revenues and what
portion is made out of what classification. General property taxes are the City’s main
source of revenue which makes up 64% of the total budget and other local taxes make
up about 24%. Overall, 85% of the City’s revenues come from local sources and 15%
come from State and Federal sources.
Councilman Kearney asked what the other local taxes are. In response, Mr. Daughtrey
said other local taxes are business license taxes, meal taxes, and consumer sales taxes
are the main big taxes under other local taxes.
Councilman Kearney asked if the City will see some growth with the Peninsula Town
Center coming on line. In response, Mr. Daughtrey stated yes.
Councilman Kearney said the City prepared for the Coliseum Mall going off line and
additional was put into the budget each year to compensate for that loss. In response,
Mr. Daughtrey said a million dollars was added.
Councilman Kearney said the City is looking at the possibility of growth occurring again
that was there in the 1990’s.
The City Manager said one of the interesting things to happen in that time frame is that
we never really lost as much as we thought we would lose because of other things that
were coming on line, like BJ’s Wholesale Club and other things at the Power Plant that
were coming on line. She noted that while the City lost that particular property, overall
citywide we didn’t lose by the full amount that was projected.
Councilman Kearney said right now we have the advent of a real support system
occurring.
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The City Manager said anyone who has been to Peninsula Town Center knows it has
been a very happening place.
Councilman Kearney said if you talk to the merchants in the area, they have seen a
tremendous increase in their numbers too because of that. It is doing exactly what we
hoped for.
Annual Growth (Decline) in Actual Revenues
Mr. Daughtrey provided Council with information showing growth declined in the general
funds actual revenues over a ten year period of time. He said from 2002 to 2008
revenue was experiencing positive growth annually of 6.5% and they see a downward
trend started with fiscal year 2009 and we expect that trend to continue to 2011. He
said a small decrease is also expected in 2011 as we know the pressures from the drop
in real estate assessments and State revenues.
General Fund Actual Revenues Per Capita
Mr. Daughtrey stated that compared to other localities, Hampton ranks the lowest at
$2,029 million. He explained that Newport News, Norfolk and Portsmouth receive a
payment in lieu of taxes for public utility operations and they receive a sizable amount of
$9 to $10 million plus from their public utility operations to the general fund which is one
of the differences that would drive our revenues. He said there are certain functions that
are reported in the general fund in these cities, for instance. Hampton reports the golf
courses as enterprise operations in the City and Newport News reports their golf courses
as part of the general fund and when you look at Hampton’s sales tax per capita it is
lower than the regional average because you know we have not had the Mall fully
operational. He said that number is changing but some of what is driving our numbers is
our sales per capita is a little lower than some of the regional sister cities. Mr. Daughtrey
said he believes the bulk of the major difference is due to the general property taxes per
capita. He noted that in real estate tax rates, Hampton has the third lowest real estate
rates behind Virginia Beach and Suffolk. Newport News, Norfolk and Portsmouth rates
are higher so they are generating more revenue on the real estate basis and he believes
these are some of the factors that explain why revenues on a per capita basis are lower
than some of the other communities.
Councilman Kearney said the debate we had was that we wanted the citizens to keep
the money themselves instead of the City maintaining it.
Vice Mayor Spencer said it might not be a bad idea to put the tax rates below these,
because Hampton has reduced for years while others haven’t.
Councilman Gilliland said Hampton has a lower median home value than any of the
other localities. Mr. Daughtrey said the real estate tax rate in Portsmouth is up to $1.24
and Newport News is at $1.10.
Mayor Ward agreed with Councilman Gilliland that you need both numbers to really
understand.
The City Manager said it would be interesting to show the average real estate tax paid
by a home and that would reflect the actual housing value differences.
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Vice Mayor Spencer agreed with Councilman Gilliland that Hampton is not at the
average or below the average. He said he believes it is even more significant because
Hampton does a fine job because we’ve got a lower value home to tax and we have a
lower rate on those homes.
Councilman Wallace asked what it cost to service a home compared to the tax
generated by a home.
Mr. Daughtrey said he doesn’t remember the number but Mr. James A. “Pete” Peterson,
Assistant City Manager, worked on the analysis of the value of a house that broke even.
The City Manager said the other thing we have done before with a more direct
comparison is because people intend to compare us is they looked at two things they
have that we don’t have. Mr. Daughtrey has alluded to one of them already, payments
of taxes that are done by Waterworks.
The City Manager said, in the case of the City of Newport News, Waterworks makes a
substantial contribution in terms of a payment incentive because they are not a non-
taxable entity. It is called a payment in lieu of taxes to the Newport News general fund.
They pay somewhere in the order of $9 million a year, which they take from retained
earnings in the Waterworks fund, and pay into the City’s general fund. She said that is a
perfectly appropriate accounting principle based on the fact the City of Newport News
made the investment in the Waterworks system. It is basically a return on investment
contribution back to the general fund.
Newport News starts with a $.30 to $.40 tax rate differential from what Hampton gets
when you consider the money they are paying back in, the payment of taxes, and
consider the shipyard. There is no other entity in the region that pays taxes in nearly the
amount of the shipyard. There is no comparison to either of those two, so you could say
that Hampton starts out at a $.30 to $.40 tax disadvantage which we are able to make up
and yet we still have a lower tax rate. She said that is not to say they are doing things
wrong or bad but they have a different set of circumstances and needs than Hampton
does. It is an illustration that Hampton has a long tradition of trying to be very lean in
administrative overhead and ensuring the community partnerships are able to maintain a
satisfactory level of service and not a lot of positions per capita and that is how we make
up that tax rate differential. She said that is not to disparage another community; it is
pure fact.
Current Real Estate Taxes
Mr. Daughtrey stated the assessor projects a 2.71% decline in assessed values which
translates to about $3 million loss in real estate revenues going from $117 million to
$114 million. He said they anticipate no change in the collection rate of 98.4% and each
penny is about $1,096,610 compared to a penny in 2010 was $1,025 million. He said
other cities are expecting a decline in their assessments. Virginia Beach is expecting
the highest at 5.75%, Newport News is expecting over 2% decline in assessments. Mr.
Daughtrey noted that Hampton is the lowest in the region besides Newport News.
Annual Growth in Real Estate Assessments
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Mr. Daughtrey stated that over a 31 year period of time Hampton has not had a decline
in real estate assessments and in 2011 is the first year they are projecting a decline over
the 31 year period of time. He noted that the long term simple average is about 7%
growth for that 31 year period of time.
Current Personal Property Taxes.
Mr. Daughtrey said they expect personal property taxes to be $1.6 million over the
revenue projection. He explained that as part of projecting the 2010 budget, we
expected a 10% decline, and we are experiencing a 4% decline so it is positive that we
are realizing the 4% benefit. He further explained that there are three factors that are
influencing the FY11 estimate:
1. New car registrations, a 19% decline from 2008 to 2009, although we had some
incentives, people are still not buying new cars as in the past.
2. Second factor is a positive factor that offsets the decline in new cars. The people
are buying used cars and the demand for their values are increasing, especially trucks
and SUVs.
3. Positive impact from the Peninsula Town Center on business personal property.
Mr. Daughtrey said we expect the FY11 personal property taxes to be level with the
projections for 2010 which will generate about $1.5 million in this budget process for
2011 and will maintain a collection rate of 96%.
Councilman Gilliland asked if they are making the right conservative assumption given
the fiscal pressure folks are under.
Mr. Daughtrey said he met with the Treasurer and believes they can produce at that
level.
The City Manager said in December 2009, when you had the first real estate tax
payment, within the 30 days we typically would measure that and were on track with
maintaining our collection rate. She stated they have not experienced any changes in
the collection ratio.
Other Local Taxes
• Tobacco Taxes - negative decline in tobacco taxes so we are reducing that by
$200,000.
• Business License Tax - anticipate an increase of $207,000 from the impact of the
Peninsula Town Center. $200,000 expected mainly from retail sales.
• Delinquent Decal Fees – will collect a significant portion of delinquent decal fees.
In the past $3.6 million has been collected.
Mayor Ward said Council changed the law and as September 1, 2009, no one had to
pay a decal fee at all.
The City Manager said the Treasurer has lost an effective collection tool but they have
been able to make up with other measures but there is a lot of staff time and intensity
involved in what they did. She stated there is no more powerful collection tool than the
decal itself and people complain about paying the fee and not getting the decal.
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Councilman Kearney said the point of having a decal is worthy of debate with national
security and homeland security and he hopes to have an opportunity to discuss that in
an open session with the general public.
The City Manager said they can do that and she believes it would be a wise move to
reinstate the decals.
Mayor Ward said they talked about the taxes at the Mayors and Chairs meeting but not
about the decal.
The City Manager said staff would support putting the decal back in place.
Councilman Kearney said if there is no objection he would like to discuss it.
Mayor Ward said they will talk about it.
• Sales and Meals Tax – expect an increase of roughly $499,000. For FY2010
$13.7 million was budgeted and it is tracking at $13.2 - $13.3 million for this fiscal year.
The Peninsula Town Center is expected to make up some of that loss and add $500,000
to the budget.
Councilman Kearney said they downplay that and keep it as low as possible.
Mr. Daughtrey said they are conservative in their perspective but at the same time they
only budgeted for the stores that are currently leased and they didn’t budget for the
unknowns. On meal taxes they expect an impact of one million dollars which translates
to about $29 million of new activity over the two fiscal years. He said they expect
anywhere between $80 and $90 million new impact in new sales revenues in 2011.
The City Manager said it is correct to say in concert with Mr. Peterson and the
Commissioner of the Revenue, that they applied some discount for possible transfer of
activity within the community.
Mr. Daughtrey said specifically for meal taxes. We believe there is a displacement factor
more so on the meal tax side and they applied a discount factor of 30%.
Councilman Kearney said also from what they learned from Yaromir Steiner and others,
including the Cordish family, the introduction of these new eateries are the only ones you
can find in the Commonwealth of Virginia, such as the NASCAR Grille, that are drawing
people from all over the region here, so in fact they are not hurting our other localities,
but adding to it being a destination.
Sales Tax Per Capita
Hampton is below the regional average for 2009 at $91.34 million.
Meal Tax Per Capita
Hampton is slightly above the regional average at $90.66 for 2009 and expected to
increase slightly and to continue in 2011.
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Mr. Daughtrey said the meal tax is 6.5 and Newport News, Norfolk, Portsmouth, and
Suffolk are the same and Chesapeake and Virginia Beach are lower.
Councilman Gilliland said people can make a decision about what restaurant they go to
based on the meal tax.
Vice Mayor Spencer said it is amazing how it is said it is 5% instead of .05%. He said
people ask him about it every day. It is not a nickel it is a half a penny.
Councilman Wallace said they have to spend $200 before it gets to $.50.
Communications Sales Tax
• January 2007, the State instituted a new 5% tax on telecommunication services,
telephone, wireless, cable, direct TV and all of those things and they anticipated this
would bring in more revenue and that is not happening.
• $8.7 million was budgeted and they will probably come in at $8.1 million.
• Significant drop off in land lines.
• People are using their cell phone as their primary line.
• Cable franchise agreement with Cox Communication is expiring in May 2010
which means the City gets 2.19 % of the total pool and we allocate a portion to the Cable
franchise fee and the remaining portion comes to the city as a communication sales tax.
• As of 2010, Cox Communication will no longer be sending the information to
identify what portion is cable franchise fee.
• Have to budget a transfer to the EXCEL fund for what used to be called the cable
franchise fee.
• Increasing revenue budget by $1.4 million but transferring it to the EXCEL fund.
The City Manager said this has a real policy issue connotation because when the
EXCEL fund was established with the cable franchise revenue specifically going to it that
is why we created that fund when there was a dedicated source of revenue for it. She
explained that the State was taking over that dedicated source of funds and even as we
renegotiate franchise agreements, it will no longer be able to be used to support this
activity. If we want to continue to support the EXCEL fund, in essence we have to carve
out of the larger communications sales tax, the money that was being used for the
EXCEL fund, which we can do. That is what the budget is presuming we will do but it is
not as clean as it used to be. You could say literally that the whole EXCEL fund, the arts
activities and what not were being supported by the cable franchise fees and that is no
longer the case. We will be subsidizing those activities through general fund revenues
via the communication sales tax.
Councilman Kearney asked if that means those areas like the arts will have to compete
with everyone else regarding the budget.
The City Manager said they have been spending $1.4 million and they will keep
spending $1.4 million and that is the designated fund to use. Council has to determine if
it wants to put it in the general fund and they all compete or whether you want to
continue funding at $1.4 million.
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Councilman Kearney asked if the City Manager will provide Council her rationale for that
decision.
The City Manager said unless Council indicates otherwise, she is leaning towards
keeping the $1.4 million because those are activities that have historically been valued
by the community. She said there are policy choices involved and today is an
opportunity to get an early read on how you feel about those things. She will follow up
with each of you individually as you have had more time to think about them
Councilman Wallace asked if they were still in negotiation with Cox Communication. In
response, the City Manager said they were.
The City Manager said the current law has changed such that anything they negotiate
successfully must go to the cable channels which are currently funded in the general
fund. The opportunity in that negotiation is to get recurring funds to support the capital
needs of the City’s channels. She said it is not just the City’s channel but the school
channel as well and one of the issues was if there is funding to be had it would help the
long term general fund requirements for supporting capital upgrades and maintenance of
those facilities.
Councilman Wallace asked if there is a correlation between the negotiation and what we
have historically received. In response, the City Manager said the cable franchise fee
has now been assumed by the communication sales tax.
Councilman Wallace asked what the City has historically used for the maintenance of
the cable system that they are now negotiating with Cox Communication. In response,
the City Manager said it is two different things. She said they don’t get to do what they
historically used to do because the state took that option away.
The City Manager said she is proposing that since the revenue source has been
generating on the order of $1.4 million, they take it out of the communication sales tax.
Councilman Wallace said he totally agrees with that, he was just trying to get a handle
on the negotiation of the maintenance of the Cox structural system and what they have
historically done.
Mr. Daughtrey said they budgeted $8.7 million for the general fund share of the
communication sales tax and that is going down in 2011 in the sense that they will
receive $8.2 million for general fund and $1.4 million for EXCEL fund. There is a bottom
line impact of $450,000 decrease in the overall communication sales tax that will impact
the general fund. That revenue source, when they initially talked about it, was larger
then and would support the general fund and it has not happened. He said the last
couple of fiscal years they have noticed a decline in communication sales tax.
Councilman Wallace said that is probably because of land lines.
NOTE: Councilman Washington left the meeting at 2:04 p.m.
Revenue from Use of Money and Property
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Mr. Daughtrey said this is primary interest income. It has been a tough market to earn
interest on with real estate rates as low as .20% in the marketplace. We believe rates
will increase to 1% next year and although they will increase to 1% it will still have an
impact on our budget process and we will expect a budget reduction of $197,000 in
interest income.
Charges for Services
Mr. Daughtrey said this is the first year we are budgeting revenues for the operation of
Buckroe Pier and they expect $394,000 for the operation of the pier. They also expect
an increase of $238,000 in EMS fees. An increase was instituted in 2010 and they
anticipate it will impact 2011 revenues.
Councilman Kearney requested a breakdown of what has been done in the past with
those fees. He also asked that they be compared to the other cities in the region. He
said he noticed the other communities have talked about raising their fees and he would
like to ensure the City is not going above or beyond the other localities.
Miscellaneous Revenue
Mr. Daughtrey said the Treasurer has done an excellent job of collecting the $30 fee for
delinquent taxes and they are bumping the revenue estimate up to $800,000 which
translates to about $187,000 impact. He said for the last two fiscal years they have
collected about $800,000 and they believe that will happen again in 2011.
Councilman Wallace asked if the increase of $187,000 is predicated on more of a
change or collection rate. In response, Mr. Daughtrey said it is more of a historical
collection trend.
State Revenues
Mr. Daughtrey said when he developed the estimates this includes the worst case
scenario. He said they budgeted $4.3 in state revenue reductions and they believe that
revenue number will come down some when they receive all the information and staff
will provide Council with an update within the next week.
Councilman Kearney asked about the HB 599 funds with a reduction of $2.5 million. He
said that fund was put in effect in the 1980’s to stop annexation. He asked if that means
you can now annex. In response, Mr. Daughtrey said no.
Councilman Kearney asked about the Jail Per Diem which is affecting everybody, they
are reducing the number. He said the biggest problem is the state is not picking up their
prisoners and the City has to hold them. He asked if there was any recourse with that.
Vice Mayor Spencer said that was a great question and asked what could be done about
that.
Councilman Kearney said it is an unsafe situation and very unfair.
Vice Mayor Spencer said they have talked about that and they want to rent our jail space
for the state system for out of state inmates.
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Councilman Wallace said they get the revenue.
Mr. Peterson said staff can look into it further but the state has a time limit and they
extended that out by about five days or a week and they will wait until the last part of that
time before they make a decision.
Mr. Daughtrey said he has a definite answer as to what they call State responsible
inmates and they say any person convicted of one or more felony offenses, and some of
their sentences are one year or more, that is what the State is supposed to be
responsible for.
Contractual/Internal Commitments Impacting Revenues
Mr. Daughtrey said 2% lodging and 2% meal taxes is $346,722 and transfers to the
EXCEL fund is $1.4 million.
Vice Mayor Spencer asked Mr. Daughtrey to explain the 2+2. He asked if that was a
shortage. In response, Mr. Daughtrey said it is not a shortage, it is a positive.
Vice Mayor Spencer asked if they were on budget for the Hampton Roads Convention
Center (HRCC) with the 2+2. He said he doesn’t want it to be construed they are not. In
response, Mr. Daughtrey said the City is on budget.
Vice Mayor Spencer said the funding source put in place to pay for the HRCC is working
the way it was projected and this is money that is being transferred as it was
programmed to do. In response, Mr. Daughtrey said this is the net increase that was
planned to transfer because they are anticipating more meal and lodging taxes in 2011.
Vice Mayor Spencer said they are building up the balance of the 2+2 funds set aside for
the HRCC in case there is a time when it is not as much. In response, Mr. Daughtrey
said they have already reached the $16 million operating reserves so this is all used for
operations and maintenance.
Councilman Wallace said they have a reserve that was created two years ago before
they started construction of the HRCC and that is part of the $16 million.
Vice Mayor Spencer said what was projected when this was in the decision making
stage is working and paying for itself and there is excess being applied to other
operations.
Mr. Daughtrey said they have reached the $16 million total operating reserve that is
required.
The City Manager said to be clear, they are generating everything they expected from
the 2+2 revenue and more but they always plan for a subsidy of the operation that it
doesn’t cover. She said they are not saying the 2+2 covers everything.
Vice Mayor Spencer said however they are able to generate more money in the 2+2
than planned which would help defray some of those costs they are speaking of.
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Mr. Daughtrey said incremental tax revenues are due to the Peninsula Town Center as a
part the contractual agreement with the Peninsula Town Center CDA. The agreement
stated that incremental tax revenues over the base year 2004 would be shared. He said
they project that to be $351,274 for 2011. For meal taxes they would share 25% with
the CDA over the base year and they expect that to be $310,364.
Councilman Wallace asked if those meal taxes were generated in the CDA area. In
response, Mr. Daughtrey said it is generated in the CDA above the base year 2004.
Mr. Daughtrey said they agreed to share 100% of the base year for real estate taxes in
2004 which is $213,000. He said they expect the real estate tax amount to change
because there will be some supplements for the new stores that are opened and it will
change during fiscal year 2011.
The City Manager said that concludes the revenue part of the presentation.
NOTE: A 5 minute break was taken at 2:13 p.m.
The City Manager said Ms. Chris Snead will walk through the budget gap and where
they are really starting from.
Ms. Snead referred to Tab 3 and stated the revised budget scenario and the original
budget scenario include reconciliation as to how they got from $21.5 million to where we
are now at $19.4 million. She said the biggest changes were in the revenue estimate
change original scenario looking at $13.6 million change in revenue and that was as a
result of State revenue loss, real estate taxes and the loss of one time monies that we
used in the budget for the capital budget and one time funds. Ms. Snead stated since
that time Mr. Daughtrey provided better revenue estimates and they didn’t lose as much
and the fund balance and the debt reserve money still remains the same. She explained
that they are really only losing $7.6 million as a net change in revenues and this actually
makes us better where we have $6 million that we can add to the $21 million budget
gap.
Ms. Snead said they had some base budget changes and Mr. Daughtrey talked about
some of these because of the additional monies, the communication tax that used to go
straight to the EXCEL fund, they have a transfer now to the EXCEL fund of the $1.4
million. She said the reason why this number is $661,000 is the original scenario already
had the $213,000 built in from the real estate taxes. This equals the meals and sales
taxes and admission taxes. She said in the original scenario they didn’t have the
additional revenues from the 2+2 that goes to the HRCC fund. She said all were base
budget changes in that regard and moving to the expenditure drivers. They originally
built in $2.7 million cuts from the school budget but in essence they are only reducing
their budget by $1 million so that actually added to the gap of 1.6 million.
Councilman Wallace asked if that was based on the formula. In response, Ms. Snead
said it was based on the funding formula.
Ms. Snead said they originally had $3.5 million as an increase in debt service and they
were able to have a debt service increase of $1.4 instead of $3.5 which saved $2 million
from the original scenario.
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Ms. Snead said the City purchased a new radio system which was a lease purchase and
they are able to make that payment for the current fiscal year out of resources that are
currently available but it had to be added to the capital budget as a lease purchase
payment. She explained it is one of those budget items that we usually carry money for
in the capital budget. She said that brings us to a revised budget shortfall of $19.4
million.
The City Manager said on the actual budget scenario that is the starting point for $19
million, you will see several things were added that they have already made decisions
not to do. The presumption was at one point fully funding the Hampton University (HU)
pledge even though we have since talked about it with Dr. William Harvey, President,
and the community about being able to fulfill that in the near term. She said it is added
but later you will see it come out but the reason they do those types of things is
accounting from one budget year to another budget year. She said certain things were
added in and are coming back out and Ms. Snead did the same thing with the capital
budget. She put all the capital budget items in but they have made some decisions to
scale back the capital budget. The City Manager said the $19 million gap, while it is a
real gap, they have already made several decisions to bring that $19 million shortfall
back in alignment where they need to be.
Ms. Snead said they start with $19.4 million and they used various strategies that we
have talked to Council in the past about what we are going to do in order to balance the
budget. She said one of the first things, the City Manager had a group of employees to
get together to come up with some various fee increases where they could actually
increase fees to get more revenue.
Ms. Snead referred to Tab 4 and stated the information showed what a penny on the
real estate tax would generate as well as personal property, amusement, tobacco,
lodging-transient, and meal taxes would be. She said in order to equalize the loss of
revenues on real estate and property taxes it would take three cents.
The City Manager said they are not necessarily proposing that but they have to run an
ad so many days out of the first public hearing on what the proposed effect to the real
estate tax rate is going to be, and if you want to preserve the ability to raise that either
for City or school purposes they would have to advertise to preserve that opportunity.
She said the school board is planning to discuss whether they want the school system to
consider a real estate increase to be dedicated to the schools.
Councilman Kearney said the schools are going to ask City Council. In response, the
City Manager said they would have to ask City Council because they couldn’t do it
themselves but they understand that they are part and parcel of the local funding formula
agreement and that if they want more than what the local funding formula produces, they
have the ability to ask the City Council to consider a dedicated tax increase. She said
from what she gathers there are some who are in favor of asking and there are others
who are undecided. The earliest opportunity to make a decision on that was at the
evening meeting of March 24, 2010. She said they will let her know later this evening
and she will let Council know whether they want to do that or not. The City Manager
said if the school board wants to do that and council wants to afford the opportunity to
hear that out they would need to advertise that potential increase as part of the public
hearing process. She said it doesn’t obligate you to do it but it does preserve the
opportunity to hear out their requests and to consider it and to have a public hearing on
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that point. The City Manager said staff needs direction from Council if the school board
comes forward with that request as to whether Council is comfortable with staff putting
the provision in the tax ad to preserve the opportunity.
Councilman Wallace said he would like to preserve the option because he doesn’t know
what the implications are and he would certainly like to have the opportunity to say yes
we need to ante up two pennies towards equalization in order to keep the schools
funded and sustained at operational level. He said if we don’t advertise we don’t have
that option. He said they may want to add some other considerations.
Vice Mayor Spencer asked how much is dedicated to the schools now. In response, Ms.
Snead said it is three cents.
The City Manager said she believes it was two cents way back when.
Vice Mayor Spencer asked for clarification.
The City Manager said the two cent original dedication was the starting point when they
set up the local funding formula. She said they actually put 100% of the three cents into
the initiative that was designated for school construction. The City Manager said it
doesn’t get lost in the funding formula.
Vice Mayor Spencer said they are already above the funding formula with three cents.
He said that is critical and they need to ensure everybody understands that. In
response, the City Manager said to be clear, that’s going to the school construction.
Vice Mayor Spencer said the funding formula they devised to work out to fund city
operations as well as participating in the school operations.
Vice Mayor Spencer asked the date by which we need to advertise. In response, Mayor
Ward said March 25, 2010, is the last date.
Vice Mayor Spencer said tomorrow is the last date and they are just now finding out
whether or not they want to do it.
The City Manager said they haven’t asked and they are going to discuss it at their
meeting tonight.
Councilman Kearney said they need to know if the formula they have put together over
the last four years, how much more has the City given the schools than what was in the
formula. He said historically when the transfer of funds have occurred in July and
August when all of the sudden the State says there is more money available, the City
has given that money to the school system, where the sister cities on the Peninsula and
in the Hampton Roads region have taken that money and put it in the general fund. He
said he believes they need to do that. Councilman Kearney said he has sat there before
and said to do this for the sake of the schools and everybody comes in and says you
already voted that you were going to do it, how can you not do it and he doesn’t like that.
Councilman Kearney said he recalls on two occasions where they had to do something
they went ahead and did it, and advertised it later and had to vote on it at a later date.
He said that doesn’t prohibit them from doing it after that date.
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The City Manager said the one challenge Council has with regard to the school budget
and this is why they were saying that, is that they have the school contracts and they are
supposed to make decisions by mid May 2010 to do all their school contracts. She said
if they ask to save positions and things like that we are bumping up against legal time
frames of advertisement they wouldn’t be able to get it all done by May 15, 2010.
Councilman Kearney said that is Victor Helman’s fault and he should have been doing
this ahead of time.
The City Manager said she doesn’t even know if they are going to ask but she wanted to
make Council aware that they may make that request and she believes it is incumbent
upon her to make Council aware of that.
Councilman Kearney said the City Manager is doing her job and he appreciates that.
Mayor Ward said Council doesn’t know where the cuts are yet so there may be a reason
that goes beyond Council’s relationship with the schools.
Councilman Kearney said he talked with Dr. Shifflette as a friend and a former educator
and told her he knew what kind of situation she was in and what he got as feedback was
that he was willing to raise a couple of pennies in order to meet the needs they had that
they saw were critical but Dr. Shifflette had to do something else. He said she had to
show him where she had cut and he wanted to make sure that 1 Franklin Street had
substantial amount of cuts as compared to what happened in other schools. He said
there are two or three schools that never were accredited for four years as the budget
kept going up and that really angered the people in the neighborhood because it was the
only school that was not accredited. He said he needs to see what they have cut and he
knows he has no authority in telling Dr. Shifflette what to do but he has to be assured
that the cuts have been made on the administrative side and she has done away with a
lot of hoopla in order to have the best budget she can for him to vote for an increase.
Councilman Kearney said he goes back to remind everyone that at the last minute they
discovered the school was going to put Astroturf inside of Darling stadium for $1 million
and it was no where in the budget. He said the school board didn’t even know when that
happened. Councilman Kearney said he is leery of their practices and he has discussed
this with Dr. Shifflette and told her he has to feel good about saying he will go a penny or
two higher. He said he was not speaking for anybody else but himself.
Mayor Ward said that is what she has heard anecdotally in the community.
Councilman Kearney said Vice Mayor Spencer has alluded to that because he believes
it was Raymond Washington who was Superintendent and they did two pennies.
The City Manager said the reason why they haven’t made a decision about that yet is
because they were waiting to see where the state budget situation turned out and where
the local budget situation turned out. She said they are going to be able to restore
between $5 and $6 million tonight and only after they do that will they understand as a
body whether they think the cuts are drastic enough to warrant them doing that. She
said she is not trying to prejudge Council whether they should or shouldn’t but only to
say if Council wants to do it on a time frame that honors the May 15, 2010, adoption
deadline they would have to preserve, for them or for the City, whether you want to
have that opportunity by advertising a consideration of that option.
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Mayor Ward said she believes they should go through the rest of the material first. Vice
Mayor Spencer agreed with Mayor Ward.
Ms. Snead explained that it doesn’t obligate Council if they do advertise. She said they
have a legal requirement to advertise 30 days prior to the public hearing.
Councilman Wallace stated that it is most logical to preserve the opportunity to provide
adequate funding. Advertising would preserve the opportunity to do something if Council
is satisfied. He stated that it is his belief that doing so would communicate to the
community that Council are reasonable stewards of local dollars when saying the
capacity exists to do this and Council will take the opportunity to do this if it is necessary
and beneficial. If not, Council won’t exercise it.
Mayor Ward said she understood Councilman Wallace’s point.
The City Manager said they would move on and come back.
Ms. Snead referred to the proposed city-wide tax/fee increase and stated they are
looking at a $.75 tax on boats and RVs.
Councilman Wallace asked how that compared to other localities.
Ms. Snead said Hampton is below several of the localities that have fees.
Mayor Ward said we were at $1.00 before.
Ms. Snead said that is the recommendation.
The City Manager said that is a calendar year tax so they can only budget for half the
year’s revenue and there has been a 30% discount applied for unexpected boat loss as
a result of the tax.
Councilman Kearney said where the tax is somewhat unfair is at a $30,000 boat but start
talking about a $1.8 million boat with those coming into the community and start
charging them. He said that scares him because he doesn’t believe they get anything
for their services.
The City Manager said they tried valiantly with the Hampton Delegation to get a change
in the law that would allow them to make some distinctions for those types of boats and
it died in the House for a variety of reasons and it leaves the City only with this option.
The City Manager said she believes it is six months or less, the boat owners are not
considered a resident boat and there may be some things they can do with the marina
owners.
Councilman Wallace asked if it is 6 months within a calendar year or 6 months duration.
In response, the City Manager said that it is a calendar year.
Mayor Ward said that is one of the challenges.
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Councilman Gilliland asked if someone was going to be hired to go down there and
check.
Mayor Ward said they are assessed pursuant to marina leases and you have to prove or
disprove and they have to declare the boat is somewhere for six months or more and
that is why it is such a difficult tax.
The City Manager said they have tried to come up with other ways and fundamentally it
comes to an equity question and they have done a yeoman’s effort to get people to
understand the benefit of having the boats dock in the community. It is an equity
question that continues to get out there. She said they thought by coming in lower than
some of the other communities and working with the owners and the Commissioner’s
Office, they would be able to mitigate and come up with a larger impact and that was the
best thing to do. She said they can revisit it and that is why they are doing the
preliminary work session today.
Councilman Gilliland said it is not an equity question. It is a perceived equity question
and he doesn’t believe it should be characterized in that way. He said he understands
the politics of it and if you are going to raise it you might as well raise it a lot because
either way you are not going to get a lot of money out of it. He said those who have the
resources who are the most mobile will move the vessel. He said you might as well
make it $5 or whatever the heck it is you want to make it. He said as long as you are
going to drive them away, make it worth your while.
Councilman Gilliland said he understands. The point is the net financial benefit is not
having a boat tax and the fact that it is difficult for some people to do the math and
understand the math; that is the reality. He said he understands the politics is to say
stick it to the guy with the big boat and the reality is you are sticking it to yourself. He
said it is like the people who say they don’t want to pay for the decal on my car that they
don’t get anymore but part of that is it distributes the taxation to folks who don’t own real
estate. He said no boat tax puts more pressure on the home owners of real estate tax
rate, not having a $28 fee for registering a car or a decal you no longer get places
pressure on the real estate tax rate and that is just the truth.
Vice Mayor Spencer said Hampton Creek all the way up to the Booker T. Washington
bridge is dredged by the Federal government so the larger and more expensive boats
are in an area that is dredged and maintained by the Federal government and the United
States Army Corps of Engineers (USACE).
Mayor Ward said she believes services we provide to boat owners that aren’t included
like police and fire protection for instance. We have a police and fire boat that have
costs associated with that and there is an argument that people live on their boats and
don’t pay any real estate tax.
Councilman Gilliland said the math says you end up getting less revenue not more
revenue by having a boat tax and the fact it is counterintuitive for the majority of the
population doesn’t make it untrue.
Ms. Snead said the majority of tax and fee increases have been at the recommendation
of the Treasurer and Commissioner of the Revenue. She said there is a $20 increase in
the business license fee and an administrative fee on delinquent business licenses. Ms.
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Snead said there is a proposal to increase the vehicle license fee $2 based on each of
the categories.
Vice Mayor Spencer asked if that was the no decal fee. In response, Ms. Snead said
yes.
Mayor Ward said one thing important to remember about the license fee is that the City
still exempts cars under $1,000. She said despite the fact they have changed the way
the City is reimbursed by the State for car taxes, previous Councils chose to continue to
accept cars under $1,000 even though they didn’t have to.
The City Manager said in looking at whether to propose fee changes in these categories,
the Treasurer and Commissioner of the Revenue used what other cities are doing. She
said the business license issuance fees have been $30 for many years and in other
cities it is $50. The City Manager said the City gets no benefit from being lower and that
is what drove that recommendation. She explained the increase is either bringing
Hampton in line with other localities or in some cases, like the building permit fees
getting closer to the cost of issuance within that ability allowed by State law.
Police Services
Ms. Snead said they have recommended a range of fees from fingerprint fees, crime
report, accident reports, taxi permit, accident photos, funeral escort, taxi cab inspections,
tow truck inspections and a wide load hauling permit.
The City Manager said funeral escorts is the big fee in terms of what it generates and
Hampton is the only locality not doing that. She explained the charge is paid for by the
funeral home and then recouped as part of the services they offer to the resident. She
said they have resisted that fee but it is routine practice throughout the region to charge
for that service.
Councilman Kearney said he cannot support that fee.
Parks and Recreation
Ms. Snead said increases are proposed for school age programs, summer programs
and the monthly fitness room fees.
The City Manager said they planned to do a $5 increase last year and because the
change in the bell schedules and parents saying they needed more time to plan for it,
they withheld the $5 increase for a year and in fact waived the registration fee for the
year as a consideration. She said they didn’t set the school bell schedule but it was
something they tried to do to be sensitive to the parent needs. The City Manager said
they try to have the rates be close to covering the service of the program and the
overhead of the program because they don’t want to put the City in a position that they
are undercutting the private sector programs. She said even with the $5 rate increases
it is substantially cheaper than the prevailing programs. The City Manager reminded
Council that last year staff provided them with a comparison of other programs, whether
they were an actual private provider or non-profit provider and even with the $5 increase
they would have been the lowest and that is still the case today.
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Councilman Kearney reminded everyone that when they first started this they asked the
private providers if they wanted to step up and actually do this for the City in using the
school and they didn’t want to do it. He said the City Manager didn’t mention the other
problem they had last year or the year before when those with children with special
needs said their children were not being provided for. In response, the City Manager
said they do have therapeutic programs.
Councilman Kearney requested staff to provide Council with information regarding what
is available for therapeutic programs.
The City Manager said it was recognized in the CIP process that the parents of children
with disabilities that participate in the therapeutic aftercare program would prefer to see
them all consolidated in one location. She said there is an elementary school site,
middle school, and high school site for therapeutic needs. The City Manager explained,
as much as possible children with disabilities are integrated with other children in the
after school programs but those who have unique disabilities and require extra care are
handled in the therapeutic program.
Councilman Wallace asked if there was a charge on school age registration for prior
years. In response, the City Manager said the charge was waived for one year because
of the school bus schedule change.
Councilman Wallace asked if the charge was $15. In response, the City Manger said
the charge was $20. She said the weekly rates are going up $5 which is what they were
scheduled to do this past year.
Councilman Kearney said he thought the summer playgrounds were free. In response,
the City Manager said the City has been charging a fee for those for some time and
many years ago they were free.
Mayor Ward asked about shelter fees. In response, Ms. Snead said residents are
charged and the fee has been increased for non-residents.
Ms. Snead asked Mayor Ward if she felt the fee was too high. In response, Mayor Ward
suggested that non-residents be charged more than $10.
Councilman Kearney agreed and said it should be much more than $10.
Mayor Ward said it costs more than $10 to haul the trash.
The City Manager said this is a surcharge on top of the existing fee.
Councilman Kearney said he knows that but would still charge more than $10.
The City Manager said they are paying more than $10.
Ms. Snead said this is on top of the regular fee.
The City Manager asked if Council feels comfortable in putting in a larger rate. In
response, Councilman Kearney said he supports a larger fee.
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Darling Stadium
Ms. Snead said the increase doesn’t impact the school portion of the rental for Darling
Stadium.
Councilman Kearney asked if these increases for all that have been considered by staff.
In response, the City Manager said they are planning to put these increases in the
budget unless they hear major concerns from Council.
Councilman Kearney asked about parking in the Coliseum area. In response, the City
Manager said the fee is already in the ticket surcharge. Councilman Kearney said it is
$2.
The City Manager asked Councilman Kearney if he is suggesting an increase in the
parking charge.
Councilman Kearney asked the City Manager if she considered going up another $1. In
response, the City Manager said that would go into the Coliseum fund. She said she
was focusing on the general fund but she will go back to look and see if it makes sense.
Councilman Kearney said he believes it is a time when they have to look at everything
they can and that is why he agrees with Mayor Ward about the park rangers.
Councilman Wallace said they need a listing of the fees and the changes across the
board.
The City Manager said a change in fees was not recommended for the solid waste user
fees or stormwater user fees and staff will make the full listing available.
Councilman Wallace asked to include the fees from other localities.
Building Permits
Ms. Snead said they are also proposing building permit fee increases and the
information will be provided at a later date.
Ms. Snead with the additional fee increases they are looking at $1.6 million in additional
revenue.
Councilman Gilliland requested a breakdown of the building permit fees. He said the
construction industry is decimated where nationally the unemployment level is at 9% or
10%, in the construction arena it is at 24% or 25%. He said he is not sure they should be
sticking it to the construction industry right now.
The City Manager said the Board of Zoning Appeals fees and things like that are
included in those fees. She said they have not changed those fees in many years and
they are out of alignment with other localities. She explained that when the matter came
up to the Planning Commission in the course of updating because of the State Code,
they asked if the full cost of the zoning appeal case process was included and they
weren’t; they were just going to what other cities were charging.
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Councilman Gilliland said he is very interested in activity based accounting. The cost to
perform an activity and charging a reasonable price associated with that activity is fine
but he could care less about what everybody else is doing. He said he can guarantee
that most of them have not rationalized that on an activity based accounting method.
The City Manager said in that particular case with the zoning appeal, they actually
walked through how it costs the City more than the prevailing practice to process one of
those fees. She said through the artificial competitive process of trying to be in the same
ball park, they kept it artificially low. She noted that the Planning Commission said it
should be raised more than everybody else but capture the actual cost for the service to
benefit the developer or the resident who is seeking that change. It doesn’t benefit the
general tax base, it benefits the actual applicant of the particular fee, which was the
philosophy they were trying to use with the building permits. She explained that was
why it has not been finalized because they are going back to look at the activity based
accounting for what it actually costs to issue particular charges.
Councilman Kearney referenced the problems regarding fire calls, especially with faulty
alarms. He said he was told some time ago that some communities handle first and
second calls free and after that there is a charge for going on the call. He asked if
Hampton has such a rule. In response, Mr. Jimmy Gray, Interim Assistant City Manager,
said Hampton doesn’t have that and many have that built into the fire prevention code
where you respond to a location after the third time there is a charge. He said most of
the time that is corrected with a repair or an adjustment to the alarm system. He said it
is more of a nuisance.
Councilman Kearney asked staff to look into that.
Mr. Peterson said that is also true in police calls.
Councilman Kearney said it is worthwhile and they are not talking about going to the
person’s home.
The City Manager said staff will be glad to look into that. She said it is typically a change
of behavior type of fee as opposed to a revenue generation fee.
Fund Balance
Utilization of Fund Balance
Ms. Snead provided Council with the information regarding what staff is proposing to use
fund balance on. She said the breakwaters at Buckroe is going to end up being
$500,000 and they are proposing to use fund balance for the 2010 Celebration so there
is only one more year of funding for 2011. She said every other year they do the Hall of
Fame and that would be recurring expenditures.
Vice Mayor Spencer asked if that was the Sports Hall of Fame at the Hampton
Coliseum. In response, Ms. Snead stated that was correct.
Ms. Snead said they are also proposing to use fund balance for building maintenance
and parks and recreation.
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Councilman Kearney said he didn’t see any information on the new fire station in
Northampton. In response, the City Manager said it has already been funded and they
are ready to go out to bid.
Councilman Kearney asked about the inquiry regarding pouring all the concrete at one
time for the 911 Center. In response, the City Manager said she doesn’t know if that has
actually come back yet.
Councilman Kearney said he would like to know even if they are not moved in, if the
concrete is poured in anticipation of how much need they are going to have to do it at
one time. In response, Mr. Gray said they would have to have the design of the new 911
center first to understand the square footage.
Councilman Kearney said he thought they already had the design for the 911 Center. In
response, Mr. Gray said it is included in the FY11 CIP.
Mr. Peterson said they have a conceptual drawing.
Councilman Kearney said using the conceptual drawing you might be able to get an idea
of what the square footage would be for a rough calculation. He said he would fight to
have that money put in at the time it is being done in knowing that movement could
occur within the next three years.
Capital Budget
Ms. Snead said in order to fully fund it she had about $9.9 million and in addition to
utilizing fund balance they also scaled back the projects in the Capital budget.
Ms. Snead provided Council with a schedule indicating reductions of general fund
contributions to the FY2011 CIP.
Councilman Wallace said there have been so many iterations that he is unsure where
things stand but does not mean that as a criticism.
The City Manager said Councilman Wallace has seen more than others because he has
seen the information at the Planning Commission meetings as well.
Ms. Snead said the information shows the projects that have been reduced, deferred to
a future year or they completely eliminated a project for a year which equals $3.6 million.
Ms. Snead also provided Council with information of the Capital budget of all the projects
that are proposed and funded in the Capital budget for FY11.
The City Manager said almost all of the things that contributed to the Master Plan
implementation and or economic tax base expansion have been delayed for a year or
more as part of this Capital Budget and CIP process. She explained that is not because
they are not important, but because of the economic situation they needed to make
some reductions in places and it was easier to do that. She further explained that it
would be harder for them to take anything else off that list. She said they kept the things
that are fundamentally obligations on hand. The City Manager said she would have
liked to have had more stay ins with the Master Plans and the tax base expansion but
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that was one of the reasons they were very careful not to exhaust of all their excess fund
balance. She said if there was an opportunity that came along in a particular area that
was not budgeted for they always have the opportunity to go to fund balance for those
things. She noted they also earn interest on the bonds and they have some flexibility
they reserve to do those kinds of things but they will not see many of those margin
projects in this capital budget, or the larger CIP for that matter.
Councilman Wallace asked if there was any way to present that. In response, the City
Manager said staff will provide Council information to show that.
Mayor Ward asked how the Capital Budget gets funded and what the debt service is
going to be for the next fiscal year. She said she knows the City is planning to borrow
some money next year, but she wants to know when the debt service would actually get
paid. She said she believes while this may be clear for Council and staff, the average
person needs clarification.
Ms. Snead said there are various funding sources to the capital budget and they are
planning to use $10.4 million of general fund revenues and that is broken down by the
money we get from the State for highway maintenance which is $4 million. She said
they are also proposing to use fund balance of $3.9 million and general operating from
tax dollars where they will be getting transition of funds to go back to using some of the
general tax dollars to fund the capital budget instead of using all fund balance. She said
that equals $10.4 million, but in addition to that they have a number of other funding
sources to fund these projects, such as the Congestion Mitigation Air Quality (CMAQ)
funds, General Obligation Bond Proceeds (BP) to the tune of $24.3 million and $10.3
million for the schools for their maintenance. Ms. Snead said included in the project is
the money for the new courthouse at $23 million. She explained that while they may
borrow that money in FY11, it is a 20 year debt service and they won’t begin to pay that
until FY12 and that debt service is going to be roughly 10% which is $2.4 million each
year. Ms. Snead said it could be less than that depending on the interest rate.
Mayor Ward said it also depends on what the construction costs would be. She said
there isn’t actually any expenditure listed in the FY11 budget other than the design
costs.
Ms. Snead said there is construction money that the City is going to borrow but there is
no debt service because they will begin to pay that in FY12.
The City Manager said at the Mayors and Chairs meeting, they were discussing the
challenges that each of the localities are having with budgets and the issue of the
courthouse in the region came up. She said they were reminded that the Williamsburg-
James City Courthouse was actually done under judicial order.
Councilman Kearney said that was exactly right.
The City Manager said they asked when it was last done and she couldn’t remember but
the Williamsburg-James City County administrators reminded her that when they did the
courthouse several years ago it was done under judicial order.
Councilman Kearney asked if that was also the case with the courthouse in Yorktown.
In response, the City Manager said she would have to check, but it may be.
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The City Manager said a courthouse was put in the budget and it was taken out and the
judges actually took them to court over unsatisfactory conditions. She said it is not just
for the judges but for the public that is served in the courthouse. The City Manager
stated the judges have that right to take them to court and she is not saying Hampton’s
judges have threatened that but there are examples of that happening in our region.
Councilman Kearney requested a list of those projects in the Capital fund but which have
not yet been built. He said he remembers the big debate about putting the rocks down
there along where the Seafood Market would have been because it is deteriorating. He
said they ended up putting stone instead of a permanent breakwater. He said there
have been issues and he would like to know where they are in the process. In response,
the City Manager said the fire house took a while because of land acquisition and the
same thing with the boat ramp. She said they would take care of Councilman Kearney’s
request.
Councilman Wallace asked if they were going to discuss the garage. In response, the
City Manager said they would talk about the garage.
Ms. Snead said they are not transferring $1 million to the Industrial Development
Authority (IDA) for the Hampton University (HU) project and they are not sending any
general fund money over to the EXCEL fund other than the $1.4 million to subsidize the
American Theatre and they scaled that back last year and this year they are taking it
completely away.
Councilman Kearney requested an explanation in writing.
The City Manager said she believes there are some opportunities in working with Mr.
Michael Curry.
Councilman Kearney said he believes staff is going to do what is best but he would like
to get information. In response, Ms. Snead said it is only $51,000 which was left that
was transferred over to subsidize that and they were able to offset that pretty easily.
The City Manager said she believes they will offer some increased offerings that they
can recoup through admission charges.
Councilman Kearney asked for a breakdown of their operation during the year. He said
he believes Council needs to see that.
Parking Garage Analysis
Mr. James A. “Pete” Peterson, Assistant City Manager, did not make a complete
presentation and information on the parking garage analysis is attached.
Workforce Polling Results
Mr. John Eagle, Assistant City Manager, reviewed the Employee Survey results and the
presentation is attached.
Closed Meeting
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2. 10-0114 Closed session as provided in Virginia Code Section 22.1-3711A.1 and .7
APPROVED - the motion specified that there would be no taping of the
closed session portion of the meeting due to the discussion of
personnel matters.
Motion made by: Councilmember Ross A. Kearney, II
Seconded by: Councilmember Joseph H. Spencer, II
Ayes: 5 - Randall A. Gilliland, Ross A. Kearney, II, Joseph H. Spencer,
II, George E. Wallace, Molly Joseph Ward
Nays: 0
. 10-0116 to consult with legal counsel regarding specific legal matters regarding
the budget process and requiring the provision of legal advice by such
counsel
NO ACTION REQUIRED
. 10-0117 to discuss specific personnel decisions and changes proposed in the
budget process
NO ACTION REQUIRED
. 10-0133 Motion to adjourn the meeting at 5:46 p.m. and to reconvene in closed
session at 8 a.m. on March 31, 2010.
APPROVED
Motion made by: Councilmember Ross A. Kearney, II
Seconded by: Councilmember Joseph H. Spencer, II
Ayes: 5 - Randall A. Gilliland, Ross A. Kearney, II, Joseph H. Spencer,
II, George E. Wallace, Molly Joseph Ward
Nays: 0
______________________
Molly Joseph Ward
Mayor
__________________________
Katherine K. Glass, CMC
Clerk of Council
Date approved by Council ______________________
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Agenda
City of Hampton, VA
22 Lincoln Street
Hampton, VA 23669
www.hampton.gov
Council Agenda
Wednesday, March 24, 2010
1:00 PM
Hampton Roads Convention Center
City Council
Randall A. Gilliland, Ross A. Kearney, II, Angela Lee Leary,
Joseph H. Spencer, II, George E. Wallace, Paige V.
Washington, Jr.,
Molly Joseph Ward, Mayor
Staff:
Mary Bunting, City Manager
Cynthia Hudson, City Attorney
Katherine K. Glass, Clerk of Council
Brenda J. Vaccarelli, Deputy Clerk
Last Published: 3/19/2010 12:40:25 PM
CALL TO ORDER
AGENDA
1. 10-0113 Budget Process Update
REGIONAL ISSUES
NEW BUSINESS
CLOSED MEETING
2. 10-0114 Closed session as provided in Virginia Code Section 22.1-3711A.1 and .7
10-0116 to consult with legal counsel regarding specific legal matters regarding the
budget process and requiring the provision of legal advice by such counsel
10-0117 to discuss specific personnel decisions and changes proposed in the budget
process
CERTIFICATION
3. 10-0115 Resolution Certifying Closed Session
Contact Info:
Clerk of Council, 757-727-6315, council@hampton.gov
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