Board of Commissioners Special Meeting
Special MeetingMadeira Beach, FL · March 16, 2018
Minutes
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A special meeting of the City of Madeira Beach Board of Commissioners was held at 6:15 p.m. on March
16, 2018 in the Patricia Shontz Commission Chambers at City Hall, located at 300 Municipal Drive, Madeira
Beach, Florida. Mayor Black called the meeting to order.
MEMBERS PRESENT: Maggi Black, Mayor
John Douthirt, Vice-Mayor, Commissioner District 4
Terry Lister, Commissioner District 1
Nancy Hodges, Commissioner District 2
Nancy Oakley, Commissioner District 3
CITY STAFF PRESENT: Jonathan Evans, City Manager
Ralf Brookes, City Attorney
Clara VanBlargan, City Clerk
Walter Pierce, Finance Director
Dave Marsicano, Public Works/Marina Director
1. CALL TO ORDER
The Mayor called the meeting to order at 6: 15 p.m.
2. ROLLCALL
The City Clerk called the roll.
3. PUBIC COMMENT
Mitchell[? Last name], Treasure Island resident, wanted to comment on the Old Salt Fishing Tournament
events and the Mayor asked him to wait until the item came up on the agenda.
Lorraine Whitaker, Madeira Beach Yacht Club, wanted to make comment on the Dive Bar's alcohol permit
item and the Mayor asked her to wait until the item came up on the agenda.
John Hendricks - Commented on how he thought the City was wasting the City's money.
Michael Grimes, resident, asked the Commission to consider the people that work and to move the meeting
times consistent with other cities.
4. NEW BUSINESS
A. 4COP Alcoholic Beverage Permit Application to allow Consumption of Alcohol on the
Premises of Mad Beach Dive Bar - Linda Portal, Planning Director
Linda Portal explained Agenda Item 4.A.
The Mayor opened to public comment.
PUBIC COMMENT
Lorraine Whitaker, Madeira Beach Yacht Club, stressed_i;;oncern with the Dive Bar going from a 2COP
Alcoholic Beverage License to a 4COP Alcoholic Beverage License and with the tow-away signs there,
which allows Dive Bar customers to park there only. She said Colette's Dress Shop has been there for over
35 years and their elderly customer's have no where to park because of those signs. They are afraid their
car may be towed. She questioned the legality of the signs being there and who authorized them. When
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turning out of Municipal Drive onto Madeira Way, left or right, the view is blocked by the large vehicles
parked there. The outside tables could also be a problem.
Missy Hahn, Treasure Island and Madeira Beach Chamber of Commerce, commented in favor of the Dive
Bar's request for a 4COP Alcoholic Beverage License.
Deby Weinstein, 441 129th Avenue, asked if the questions made by Lorrain Whitaker were relevant and
should be answered by City staff.
Planning & Zoning Director Linda Portal addressed the questions and concerns. She said the Dive Bar is
not obligated to serve food. They are allowed to serve food under their license but do not. The City had not
approved them serving food because they do not have the kitchen facility to do so. The parking there is
encouraged to be shared and the City will look into that to make sure that is being done. There are an
adequate number of parking spaces there to meeting the City's standards and the design of that will be
looked at again to make sure it is functioning properly. One of challenges in the older parking lot spaces is
finding the correct place to put the handicapped spot because it is much longer and wider. Alterations have
been made for adequate parking. The Dive Bar has not been approved to be using tables outside there,
but they do have a small break area outside for employees to smoke, take their lunch, and breaks. There
is no requirement preventing them from having a picnic table back there so long as it does not interfere with
any traffic circulation. All the rest of the design and layout has been documented and the site plan approved.
CLOSED PUBLIC COMMENT
Commission Lister made a motion that the Commission pass the 4COP alcoholic beverage permit
application to allow consumption of alcohol on the premises of the Mad Beach Dive Bar. The motion was
seconded by Commissioner Oakley.
ROLL CALL VOTE:
Commissioner Lister "YES"
Commissioner Oakley "YES"
Vice-Mayor Douthirt "YES•
Commissioner Hodges ''YES"
Mayor Black "YES•
The motion carried 5-0.
B. Old Salt Fishing Foundation Proposed 5-Year Contract - "Spring King of the Beach" Fishing
Tournament & "Fall King of the Beach" Fishing Tournament - Jonathan Evans, City Manager
Mayor Black said she did not recommend a five-year contract. More data should be received before going
forward with that long of a contract. She recommended approval of the event going forward in April and use
the same five-year contract language for that event which is to charge them no fee for the rental of the
fields, but they would be responsible for paying any hard costs of any repair of the fields that might be
needed. Once that event is over and we receive documentation that we requested for the event, we can
evaluate it and come to a better conclusion as to how long the contract should be and the language that
should be in it.
The City Manager said if it is the pleasure of the Board to make any changes or modifications as it relates
to the agreement that is being prospered by staff, direction is needed. If there are specific provisions in the
agreement that the Board would like to discuss, go through, and make any tweaks staff can do that. The
intent behind the agreement that staff put together was to be able to enter into a long-term contract which
would effectively· secure the Old Salt King of the Beach Fishing Tournament here in Madeira Beach.
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Because of the Mayor's comments he would like to walk through the provisions because there are some
components in there that are valuable from the agency perspective but to also have any conversation or
dialogue the Board may have on these items in the contract and if it is the term, we can certainly dive into
more dialogue when we get to that section. Pursuant to the conversation that occurred at the regular BOC
meeting on February 271h staff was instructed to go back and put together a contract for consideration. In
his conversations and discussions with the City Attorney and Parks and Recreation Director the agreement
was looked at from a multifaceted approach. One, we wanted to make sure Madeira Beach is the home
location of this tournament because we understand the economic value and the tourism that it generates
to the region. The City Manager read and explained each provision of the contract. One of the things we
put in the contract is that if we do not receive the financial information after 60 days following the event,
they have 45 days to pay the City back the monies associated with the rental fee. The City Attorney
reviewed and approved the agreement, the Parks and Recreation Department reviewed the agreement and
worked with Old Salt who has executed the agreement. It was discussed about changes and modifications
to Provision 7 and if it is the Board's pleasure staff is prepared to discuss that item in more detail.
The Mayor said she is fine with all the provisions of the contract but if we change Provision 7 to say that
the Spring Festival will be reviewed after we receive the data. Then we can try coming up with a contract
that is amenable to everybody.
The City Attorney suggested language for a six-month agreement. Commission Lister suggested a 10-year
agreement. He said the contract is a win for the City and they are bending over backwards to please the
City. Advertising is huge and for people to know that they are in Madeira Beach is a big deal. Old Salt brings
people from the world and not just Florida. These are big dollar players. Every year we get to look at it and
see the results of it. They are paying for everything except for the $9,000 on the fields and the one video
will blow that out. He recommended making the term of the contract up to 20 years to make sure Old Salt
stays in Madeira Beach.
The Mayor said if we have the same agreement and review it in six months then maybe we can say 10 or
20 years, but we haven't had all the data that we need to truly go that far out. Commissioner Lister
disagreed. For Old Salt to try figuring out where they would be having their next tournament in six months
is tying their hands. They should be getting from Madeira Beach is a solid promise that they do not have to
go anywhere for at least five years. Old Salt needs to be able to print their literature and invitations for next
year. To tie their hands for six months stops them. Instead of stopping things in Madeira Beach we need to
keep building. Five years is too short of time when this is so good for the City.
Commissioner Hodges asked the fee cost for the upcoming up event. The City Manager said it would be
the $9,000 rental fee for that one specific event. It is $18,000 for the two events.
The Mayor said she does not feel they are tying their hands, they are compromising for the best thing for
the City and for Old Salt.
Commissioner Oakley recommended doing one event to start with and then evaluate to see how they would
like to do it and entertain the multi-year contracts.
OPEN PUBLIC COMMENT
The following people commented in favor of the Old Salt events
• Tammy Vasquez, 12020 5th East, Treasure Island
• Sue Patschak, 520 S. Bayshore Drive, Madeira Beach
• Gay Prince, Marguerite Drive, Madeira Beach
• Mitchell [? Last name], Treasure Island
• Robert Preston, 425 S. Bayshore Drive, Madeira Beach
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• John Hendricks, 569 Normandy Road, Madeira Beach
• Cliff[? Last name], 15450 2 nd Street E, Madeira Beach
• Missy Hahn, Treasure Island and Madeira Beach Chamber of Commerce
• Deborah[? Last name], 17117 Gulf Blvd., Madeira Beach
• Paige Karns, on behalf of R.O.C., Madeira Beach
• Bobby Vaughn, Seminole FL
• Michelle [? Last name], 280 E. Madeira Avenue, Madeira Beach
• Warren [? Last name], 51 O Crystal Drive, Madeira Beach
• Kim Dyer, 8458 108th Street, Seminole FL
• Fletcher Dunn, 15405 2 nd Street, Madeira Beach
The City Manager addressed Fletcher Dunn's question regarding hard costs regarding EMS, Policemen,
etc. volunteering their services at an event. He said the Fair Labor Standards Act does not allow for people
to donate time to do their job which they are already compensated for.
• DebyWeinstein, 441 129th Avenue, Madeira Beach
• Andy[? Last name], 5310 Seminole Blvd, Seminole FL
• A representative of the Old Salt Fishing Foundation
• Dr. Heidi Goldberg, Redington Shores
• Juan Diaz, 413 Tierra Verde, Madeira Beach
CLOSED PUBLIC COMMENT
Commissioner Lister said the contract is well written by the new City Manager and if the contract is not
passed it shows a lack of confidence in him. This event makes the City of Madeira Beach a better place
to live.
Commissioner Lister made a motion that the Old Salt Foundation contract be passed. Commissioner
Hodges seconded the motion.
Commissioner Douthirt said he agreed with the five-year contract but it needs to be subject to any
possible tweaks to the contract.
The Mayor said she personally would like the Old Salt to stay. She was only trying to make a comprise
because other people feel differently and if that is not a good compromise then it is not a good
compromise. The contract is a good contract.
Commissioner Hodges said Old Salt has been here 47 years and shouldn't be questioning it now, which
is an insult.
ROLL CALL VOTE:
Commissioner Lister "YES"
Commissioner Hodges "YES"
Commissioner Oakley "YES•
Vice-Mayor Douthirt "YES•
Mayor Black "YES"
The motion carried 5-0.
The Mayor recessed for five minutes.
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C. First Amendment- Term Extension to the lnterlocal Agreement between the City of Madeira
Beach and Pinellas County for advanced Traffic Management System/Intelligent
Transportation Systems (ATMS/ITS) and Roadway Transfer Agreement to Transfer Traffic
Control Authority- Dave Marsicano, Public Works/Marina Director
Dave Marsicano, Public Works/Marina Director, reviewed Agenda Item 4.C and answered questions by the
Commission.
Commissioner Lister inquired about a light that was still on the list that needed to come off. Mr. Marsicano
said he would get Ken Jacobs changes that.
The City Manager recommended that the Commission approve the extension of the agreement to include
the change that Commissioner Lister said needed to come off the list so that it is memorialized in the action,
so it can be provided to the County. A copy of that will be put in the public record and furnished to the
County as well.
OPENED PUBLIC COMMENT
Robert Preston 425 S. Bayshore Drive, said he was curious as to who decides where the big silver metal
box goes.
Mr. Marsicano said he believes it was FDOT, but he will check into that.
CLOSED PUBLIC COMMENT
Commissioner Oakley made a motion to accept the lnterlocal Service Agreement for traffic control signals
and related devices with the change made to the list of lights. Commissioner Lister seconded the motion.
ROLL CALL VOTE:
Commissioner Oakley "YES"
Commissioner Lister "YES"
Vice-Mayor Douthirt "YES"
Commissioner Hodges "YES"
Mayor Black "YES"
The motion carried 5-0.
D. One Year Parking Lot Lease Agreement between the City of Madeira Beach and Madeira
Beach Marina LLC/Sam Lewis, 133 Avenue East City Parking Lot - Walter Pierce, Finance
Director
Finance Director Walt Pierce reviewed Agenda Item 4.D. and answered questions by the Commission.
OPENED PUBLIC COMMENT
Deby Weinstein, 441 129th Avenue, said when that lot was first leased to Keystone it was her understanding
that they were going to landscape the parking lot, etc. and it looks terrible. She asked that someone look
at it.
Gay Prince, Marguerite Drive, said if it is a precedent setting thing she would not agree with doing it and as
far as selling the land there is probably a lot of other things that can be done other than that.
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Dr. Heidi Goldberg, Redington Shores, asked if there was a way to only allow them to use it when the
workers are doing the construction work and why can't the City use it at night and on the weekends.
CLOSED PUBLIC COMMENT
Commissioner Oakley said the boaters use the parking lot at night.
Commissioner Lister was concerned about the trailers parking there. He would like something in the
agreement preventing that.
The City Manager said we want it to be complimentary of what the business operation is and not necessarily
be the overflow for construction vehicles or equipment etc.
OPENED PUBLIC COMMENT
Robert Preston, 425 S. Bayshore Drive, said he had an opportunity to talk to Lisa with Lisa's Cafe and she
said she still has not recovered from before by not having the use of that parking lot for her restaurant.
CLOSED PUBLIC COMMENT
There were a lot of concerns by the Commission and many changes needed to be made to the agreement
as presented and it hurt her business a lot.
The more the Commission discussed the more changes they realized needed to be made to the agreement.
Commissioner Lister made a motion to table the agreement. Commissioner Hodges seconded the motion.
ROLL CALL VOTE:
Commissioner Lister "YES•
Commissioner Hodges "YES•
Commissioner Oakley "NO"
Vice-Mayor Douthirt "YES•
Mayor Black "YES"
The motion carried 4-1.
The Mayor adjourned the workshop meeting at approximately 8:18 p.m.
ATTEST:
Clara VanBlargan, MMC, MSM, City Clerk
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