City Council
Regular MeetingMinot, ND · January 17, 2018
Minutes
January 17, 2018 Special City Council Meeting
MINOT CITY COUNCIL - SPECIAL MEETING – January 17, 2018 at 6:00 PM
ROLL CALL:
Members Present:
Barney, Jantzer, Olson, Podrygula, Sipma, Straight, Wolsky
Members Absent:
None
Mayor Barney presiding and led the Council in the Pledge of Allegiance.
CITY HALL EMERGENCY HVAC REPAIR AND SOLE-SOURCE PURCHASE – APPROVED
Alderman Olson moved the City Council approve the purchase and installation of a heat exchanger and repair of lines to the
cooling tower for City Hall.
Motion seconded by Alderman Sipma and carried by the following roll call vote: ayes: Barney, Jantzer, Olson, Podrygula,
Sipma, Straight, Wolsky; nays: none.
ORDINANCE NO. 5261 – AMEND THE 2018 ANNUAL BUDGET – CITY HALL HVAC MAINTENANCE –
FIRST READING – APPROVED
Alderman Olson moved the City Council place ordinance no. 5261 on first reading to amend the 2018 annual budget to
increase the property Maintenance Building and Grounds Maintenance revenues and expenditures for the City Hall HVAC
maintenance. Motion seconded by Alderman Sipma and carried unanimously.
Alderman Olson moved the City Council pass ordinance no. 5261 on first reading. Motion seconded by Alderman Sipma
and carried by the following roll call vote: ayes: Barney, Jantzer, Olson, Podrygula, Sipma, Straight, Wolsky; nays: none.
ORDINANCE NO. 5262 – AMEND THE CMCO- FEEDING OF WILD ANIMALS PROHIBITED – FIRST
READING – APPROVED
Alderman Wolsky moved the City Council place ordinance no. 5262 on first reading to amend the City of Minot Code of
Ordinances prohibiting the feeding of geese, turkeys, deer, or moose in the City of Minot and undertake a public information
campaign informing citizens of the negative effects of feeding wild animals. Motion seconded by Alderman Sipma and
carried unanimously.
Alderman Wolsky stated, he understands there are citizens who enjoy feeding the animals but it creates a problem for the
community and is harmful to the wild animals.
At the suggestion of the Assistant City Attorney, Alderman Wolsky expanded on the concept of the public information
campaign. He said, the Public Information Officer may have some room in the budget to produce materials but could also
use social media like Facebook to spread awareness.
Alderman Wolsky clarified, the ordinance does not prohibit birdfeeders or fruit trees and the language is specific to certain
wild animals, “No person shall feed or allow feeding of any geese, turkeys, deer, or moose by any means, including hand
feeding or the placing or setting out of food to be left attended or unattended.”
Liz Hoppman, of 422 3rd Ave NW mentioned that someone dumps corn near the 6th St underpass and wondered if that would
be allowed to continue. Alderman Sipma responded by saying that is actually just grain that spills from the train traffic that
passes over the area.
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The Finance Director reminded the Council that additional programs require additional funding and in order to implement
them may require a budget amendment be approved or limited resources be utilized.
Alderman Wolsky moved the City Council pass ordinance no. 5262 on first reading. Motion seconded by Alderman Sipma
and carried by the following roll call vote: ayes: Barney, Jantzer, Olson, Podrygula, Sipma, Straight, Wolsky; nays: none.
PERMIT CITY STAFF TO PARTICIPATE IN EGG ADDLING – APPROVED
Alderman Wolsky moved the City Council direct City staff to secure a permit from the State and participate in egg addling
with the Park District. Motion seconded by Alderman Straight.
Alderman Wolsky explained, egg addling is a process the Park District currently uses to control the population of geese
within park areas. They remove all but one or two eggs from a nest which decreases the population while preventing
additional roosting. The Park District is only permitted to conduct the process in Park areas so the City’s participation will
increase their targeted areas.
Whereupon a vote was taken on the above motion by Alderman Wolsky, seconded by Alderman Straight and carried by the
following roll call vote: ayes: Barney, Jantzer, Olson, Podrygula, Sipma, Straight, Wolsky; nays: none.
EXPLORE PARTNERSHIP WITH RAINBOW GARDENS TO SHARE THE COST OF EXCLUSION FENCING –
APPROVED
Alderman Wolsky moved the City Council direct staff to explore a partnership with Rainbow Gardens to share the cost of
exclusion fencing for the site. Motion seconded by Alderman Jantzer.
Upon questioning by Alderman Podrygula, Alderman Wolsky stated, it was mentioned by Mr. Emery of the Park Board that
the land is owned by the City. There are 150-200 plots but the lease agreement prevents them from building any permanent
structures. It was estimated the cost of installing fencing would be about $30,000 and Rainbow Gardens could potentially
share the expense with the City and among the residents of the garden.
The Mayor clarified, the motion is to explore options but any requests for money would be brought to the Council at a later
time.
Whereupon a vote was taken on the above motion by Alderman Wolsky, seconded by Alderman Jantzer and carried by the
following roll call vote: ayes: Barney, Jantzer, Olson, Podrygula, Sipma, Straight, Wolsky; nays: none.
DIRECT STAFF TO INVESTIGATE A HUNTING/WILDLIFE MANAGEMENT PLAN WITHIN CITY LIMITS –
APPROVED
Alderman Wolsky stated, the committee developed a list of recommendations to create a wildlife management plan for within
the City of Minot. As a result of the Committee’s discussions, it was decided there needs to be a lethal component to control
the population of wildlife. They attempted to develop a strategy that is safe while also handling the issues with hunting in
town.
Alderman Wolsky moved the City Council direct staff to begin the work required to bring a recommendation forward after
investigating and fleshing out a framework to allow hunting in city limits. Motion seconded by Alderman Sipma.
Minot resident, Melissa Faris, came forward to say that she does not believe hunting within city limits is the safest thing for
the citizens of Minot.
Nan Jacobson, of 701 10th Ave SE, submitted a letter for the Council’s consideration. She read from it by saying, “I
respectfully suggest speed limit and deer crossing signage, no feeding policies, and educating the public on fencing and deer
resistant foliage selection be implemented first, and work to determine specific areas designated for hunting, putting the
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proposal to a public vote before making Minot a hunting ground.” She referenced comments provided in the Committee’s
report stating, many members of the public are opposed to hunting of any kind within the City of Minot. Many members of
the public have concerns about public safety if hunting is allowed to take place within city limit or on City land. Large tracts
of City-owned public land are often the location of in-town hunting and wildlife management programs in other cities like
Bismarck and Fargo. Similarly suited public lands are not common within the City of Minot.
Trent Kinzell, of 1409 Sunset Blvd. said hunting is a viable safe option to control the animal population especially when it
pertains to archery.
The Mayor stated, he is not a proponent of hunting in city limits but does not want to diminish the thorough work done by the
committee.
Alderman Jantzer commented that “the devil is in the details.” He said finding an appropriate location and deciding what the
requirements will be are a determining factor whether he will support the program moving forward.
Alderman Podrygula said their goal is to prevent risk to human life and property. The other methods such as limiting food
sources and providing education to the public should help the situation and he sees this program as a last resort.
Alderman Sipma said, as an outdoorsman, he supports the motion. The committee included recommendations that bow
hunters must prove themselves. Once the details are determined, like the number of permits, he believes it will be an
effective and efficient method of control.
Alderman Straight stated he is comfortable with the details ultimately resting with Chief Olson. He has the final decision and
he is the one the city looks to, to protect public safety.
Alderman Wolsky acknowledged the significant burden placed on the Police Department but said the policy needs
discretionary control. The Committee decided it was the best path forward.
The City Manager said he appreciates the work of the Committee but recognized that staff will be affected. He explained, he
wants to do a fiscal and operational analysis prior to implementing and he requested adequate time to do the work.
Whereupon a vote was taken on the above motion by Alderman Wolsky, seconded by Alderman Sipma and carried by the
following roll call vote: ayes: Jantzer, Podrygula, Sipma, Straight, Wolsky; nays: Barney, Olson.
CONSIDER THE REPORT OF THE PROHIBITED ANIMAL AD HOC COMMITTEE
Alderman Straight took a survey of the room by a show of hands, which demonstrated that most people in attendance own
pets however, only a handful of those pet owners have licenses for their pets. He said he looks to the citizens to help solve
many of the issues regarding pet ownership. He said, he found it ironic that so many people don’t want their neighbor to
enjoy the right they do when it comes to owning a particular animal. The Committee met several times over a three month
period and had thoughtful dialog on many topics. He tried to take emotion out of the equation, dispel fear, and make
decisions based on facts.
DIRECT STAFF TO DRAFT AN ORDINANCE TO AMEND THE CMCO RELATING TO SNAKES – APPROVED
Alderman Straight moved the City Council direct staff to draft an ordinance amending the City of Minot Code of Ordinances
to remove “snakes” from the list of prohibited animals and instead prohibit all venomous and non-venomous injurious snakes
as defined by U.S. Fish and Wildlife Services, including boa constrictors. Motion seconded by Alderman Wolsky.
Alderman Straight stated, he is shocked at the number of citizens who spoke out against allowing their neighbors to have the
same rights to own a pet, whether it be a chicken or a snake. He asked pet owners to consider the minority of fellow
residents who want less traditional pets. He said he does not like snakes and does not want to own one but it does not seem
like a big request and he respects the right of Mr. Platz to have one.
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Alderman Straight then invited Alex Deufel, a biology professor at Minot State University, to share her knowledge on snakes
in an effort to dispel any fear from the public. Dr. Deufel responded to questions by saying, if a snake got loose it would seek
shelter in a warm environment like a radiator or a wall where it would likely disappear. It cannot survive in the winter and
they do not move much. Snakes tend to sit and wait for food and they like to be hidden. She said, the recommendation to
prohibit any venomous or non-venomous injurious snakes eliminates any danger. The types of snake that would be allowed
are docile. She also said she does not recommend prohibiting boa constrictors as they make great pets, are not dangerous,
and have a low level of aggression. Dr. Deufel said, it would be a very unlikely scenario that there be any risk of harm to
cats and dogs.
Marshal Platz came forward to remind the public there would still be a ban on snakes but only on ones that pose a danger to
the public.
Kim Albert, a Minot resident, said he can’t tell the difference between a venomous and a non-venomous snake and believes a
neighbor with a snake will lower his home value. He asked the Council to consider the majority of residents who do not want
a snake.
Laura Erikson, a resident who attended all of the Committee meetings said, she understands there is fear but people have the
right to own pets as long as they are not a danger to the public. She spoke about the active community of snake owners
online who are willing to take on abandoned or unwanted snakes. She mentioned that a snake can be sheltered with minimal
care and costs.
Alderman Straight clarified, the Souris Valley Animal Shelter is not equipped to shelter snakes but there are members of the
community who can. He also said he spoke with Amanda Schooling at the County, about establishing an emergency plan in
case snakes need to be relocated in an emergency situation.
Alderman Podrygula asked if there are current regulations that would apply to the number of snakes allowed or prohibiting
breeding. The Assistant City Attorney said the ordinance allows a resident to have ten pets per household, of which no more
than four may be cats or dogs. There is also an ordinance prohibiting breeding.
Alderman Olson moved the City Council amend the motion to include a limit of four snakes permitted per household.
Motion seconded by Alderman Podrygula.
Alderman Olson said, four seems like a reasonable number and it is the same number of hens proposed in the hen ordinance.
Whereupon a vote was taken on the amendment by Alderman Olson, seconded by Alderman Podrygula and carried by the
following roll call vote: ayes: Barney, Jantzer, Olson, Podrygula, Straight, Wolsky; nays: Sipma
Alderman Podrygula asked if the first responders had any safety concerns in allowing snakes. Chief Olson said they would
need to educate staff on how to differentiate between types of snakes but if people follow what is being contemplated, there is
no danger.
Alderman Sipma asked if they are familiar with any health facility that offers anti-venom if there were a situation where it is
necessary. Bobby Roberts, an Animal Control Officer, said, there was an instance where venomous snakes were reported in
town and they discovered the closest anti-venom was in New Mexico. Mr. Roberts also stated, if snakes were legal, it would
be difficult for a resident to tell whether it is allowed or not so they would not know when to report an illegal snake. He said,
one of the factors that led to the ban on snakes was that there were no sufficient facilities to house unwanted snakes.
Alderman Straight volunteered to schedule educational training for emergency personnel with the help of Dr. Deufel and
Marshal Platz.
Alderman Podrygula asked if there are State and Federal protections regarding snakes. The Assistant City Attorney stated,
there are. Alderman Podrygula continued by saying, he is not a fan of snakes as pets but since Dr. Deufel explained there is
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no danger, they are not a nuisance, and there are already two levels of protection by State and Federal agencies, the public
won’t even notice the change.
Alderman Sipma said, based on a majority of phone calls from citizens who are not comfortable with allowing snakes, he will
not support the motion. He sees it as an added piece to an underfunded branch of the Police Department.
Dr. Deufel said, she does not imagine there will be dozens of escaped snakes but the Police Department can contact her to
identify or contain any snakes since she has experience with venomous snakes too.
Whereupon a vote was taken on the above motion by Alderman Straight, seconded by Alderman Wolsky, as amended and
carried by the following roll call vote: ayes: Olson, Podrygula, Straight, Wolsky; nays: Barney, Jantzer, Sipma.
AMEND THE CMCO RELATING TO BACKYARD HENS – FAILED
Alderman Straight moved the City Council direct staff to draft an ordinance similar to the Fargo ordinance, allowing up to
four hens. Motion seconded by Alderman Olson.
Liz Hoppman came forward with a petition signed by 163 residents who are against allowing hens in city limits. She
explained several reasons including health risks such as salmonella and breathing issues among the elderly, children and
those with a compromised immune system. She said, living next to a chicken coop could decrease home value, cause
unwanted smells and attract predators. Ms. Hoppman also commented on the opposing arguments by saying the quality of
eggs is actually not as good as store bought because they are not regulated by federal agencies and are more likely to carry
disease. She does not believe owning hens is beneficial and said chickens can escape their enclosure and tend to roam. She
then discussed sections of the Fargo ordinance that are far too lenient. The required setback is only three feet whereas other
cities like Jamestown have a 100’ setback requirement. She listed the unintended consequences of allowing hens and said
allowing four could open the request for additional hens later. She was also concerned that if hens are allowed, then other
animals would be requested soon after. She described polls she had taken around town where close to 96% of participants
are against allowing backyard hens. She encouraged the Council to consider that the good of a few should not outweigh the
good of the majority.
Margie Zietz, Zoning Code Enforcement Officer for the City of Minot, said, if this passes it will increase her workload
tremendously. She personally raises chickens outside city limits and explained what a huge mess they make. She also said
they are noisy and bring about safety concerns when in town. She cautioned that people may construct hazardous methods to
keep them warm which could cause fires. They also attract predators. She said she loves chickens but they should not be kept
in city limits.
Sheila Mattson, a Minot resident, said her husband was called to a fire caused by a propane heater in a garage near hay,
keeping chickens warm. She also said they are loud, dirty and would be too close to neighbors in Minot.
The Mayor stated, he received few emails in favor of allowing hens but was inundated with emails against it. He explained,
he shares their concerns and would prefer not to have them in city limits.
Aldermen Sipma and Podrygula spoke against the motion, referencing the noise issues, overwhelmed staff, and the fact that
farm animals should not be raised in urban environments.
Alderman Wolsky said he supports the idea because he doesn’t see a difference between cats and dogs or chickens and says
it’s hypocritical to allow one and not the other.
Alderman Straight spoke about his experience chairing the Committee and how he wants the body to be mindful and to
accept the comments that arose from their meetings.
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The Mayor explained, the Committee was formed in response to public input. It is a good process to follow but does not
mean the Council must accept their recommendations. The issue was identified, researched and from that, decisions can be
made.
Laura Erikson asked if it is possible to hold a vote of the public to which the Mayor responded by saying, citizens can create
an initiated measure and submit a petition in order to hold an election.
Whereupon a vote was taken on the above motion by Alderman Straight, seconded by Alderman Olson and failed by the
following roll call vote: ayes: Straight, Wolsky; nays: Barney, Jantzer, Olson, Podrygula, Sipma.
DIRECT STAFF TO DRAFT AN ORDINANCE RELATING TO POTENTIALLY DANGEROUS AND
DANGEROUS DOGS – APPROVED
Alderman Straight explained, in an effort to be proactive in addressing all public safety concerns, he’s proposing an
ordinance that references all potentially dangerous and dangerous dogs rather than a specific breed. He said he is aware this
ordinance would take up staff’s time but it is more proactive to identify dangerous animals. He also mentioned the desire to
use Souris Valley Animal Shelter rather than the current pound on which the City spends $40,000 annually. Once their
expansion is complete, Souris Valley Animal Shelter will be able to chip and track animals to efficiently monitor data. He
proclaimed that animal owners need to be more accountable for themselves by registering their pets. He suggested forming a
Mayor’s committee of pet owners to handle complaints and police themselves.
Alderman Straight moved the City Council direct staff to draft an ordinance to combine Section 7-27 of the City of Minot
Code of Ordinances with Fargo’s ordinance, found in Section 12-0117, relating to potentially dangerous and dangerous dogs.
Motion seconded by Alderman Podrygula.
Laura Erikson spoke in favor of the proposal by saying, it is good protection for public safety. It addresses behavioral issues
in a more comprehensive way.
Ashley Fulton, a canine trainer and behavioral specialist said she has worked with aggressive dogs for the past 13 years and
her goal is to prevent any bite or attack. Statistically, she should have been bitten by a pit mix but she has not. She has been
bitten by many other breeds including, spaniels, mastiffs, labs, and German shepherds. All dogs are capable of causing harm
but she does not believe one breed is more aggressive than another. Isolated dogs, like those pit mixes kept hidden due to
regulation, are more likely to be involved in an attack because they are not socialized and not stimulated.
Chief Olson came forward to say he believes the current ordinance addresses dangerous animals adequately and asked what
the Council would like to add.
Alderman Straight explained, the ordinance does not address a dog’s behavior until an attack takes place. He sees the Fargo
ordinance as being more proactive, requiring training and implementing heavy fines. He would like to work with staff to
develop an ordinance.
Whereupon a vote was taken on the above motion by Alderman Straight, seconded by Alderman Podrygula and carried by
the following roll call vote: ayes: Barney, Jantzer, Olson, Podrygula, Straight, Sipma, Wolsky; nays: none.
REMOVE THE BAN ON PIT BULLS IN MINOT CITY LIMITS – FAILED
Alderman Straight moved the City Council remove Section 7-34 (Regulation of Pit Bull Dogs) from the City of Minot Code
of Ordinances. Motion seconded by Alderman Wolsky.
Alderman Straight said the Committee held a public meeting where a number of residents voiced their support to end Breed
Specific Legislation (BSL) in Minot. He asked if the ordinance is serving its purpose and if it does not provide protection to
the citizens of Minot, he believes it is wrong.
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Kim Albert, a Minot resident, listed statistics on fatalities across the country as a result of pit bulls. He said the breed mix
represents 6% of the dog population but accounts for 71% of dog incurred fatalities.
Wesley Maldonado asked why the ban was enacted and if national data should be used to make decisions for Minot. The
Mayor responded by saying, he was not on the Council at the time but would imagine it was based on national data.
Discussions take place on a local level using whatever information is available.
Chad Martin, a Minot resident in favor of lifting the BSL, said statistics can be cherry picked to demonstrate a point. A
person is more likely to be bitten by other breeds but pit bull attacks are more lethal. He said the ban was put in place in the
1980’s when pit bull breeds were demonized as “drug dealer” dogs but the issue should be taken on a case by case basis.
Chief Olson mentioned his concerns with lifting the ban. He said pit bull attacks are fatal and demonstrated how a simple
Google search listed multiple news stories, all within the past few weeks.
Randy McDonald, of Souris Valley Animal Shelter, said his main concern is identification. The term pit bull is used
frequently but includes several mixed breeds. It is difficult to identify and makes the task for Animal Control subjective. He
explained how traits tend to breed out after several generations and the animal may no longer carry tendencies associated
with pit bulls.
Nordell Cockrell, of 20th Ave NW, spoke in opposition to lifting the ban. She said she witnessed a pit bull attack when she
lived in Des Moines. She said she has done lots of research on the issue since she chaired a committee for her condo
association on permitting pets. Ms. Cockrell said pit bulls can attack owners but you don’t see stories on other breeds. They
have a tendency to turn without warning. She also mentioned it could be a liability for the City and for the owner if an attack
occurs.
Lianne Zeltinger said she appreciates the work done by the Committee and Alderman Straight. She said, in 2016, there were
103 calls for a banned breed siting but the last pit bull bite was in 2014. She wondered, if Fargo, Grand Forks, Dickinson,
and Bismarck can live without a ban, what is Minot missing? She asked if Minot can be considered a welcoming community
if people are leaving Minot because of the ban. She believes the owner should not be discriminated against because of the
breed of dog they own.
Miranda Schuler, a former City Council member, said she began researching the issue about three years ago when pit bulls
were added to the ordinance as service dogs due to ADA requirements. The term “pit bull” is a slang term that includes
several different breeds of dogs. She believes the list of breeds identified as “pit bull” are too muddy keep BSL. She listed
organizations that do not support BSL including, Humane Society of the United States, the American Bar Association,
American Kennel Club, American Veterinary Medical Association and Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. These
organizations urge against using breed as a factor to prevent bites but instead support breed neutral policies.
Gina Manley asked the Council to overturn a ban that is 30 years old. She stated, the people who support lifting the BSL are
not allowed to live in town and therefore their voices aren’t heard. She requested they allow the animals so they can be
properly socialized and vetted.
Laura Erikson said public safety is not being addressed with the ban on pit bulls because it is not based on behavior. A dog
that bites someone can stay in town but a dog that looks like a pit bull must be removed immediately simply based on
appearance.
Mayor Barney said he is in favor of keeping the BSL. He referenced what Dr. Deufel stated earlier, just like there are
aggressive breeds of snakes, he believes there are aggressive breeds of dogs. He also took the comment from Mr. Martin and
stated, they may not bite as often as other dogs but when they do, it is catastrophic.
Alderman Sipma agreed and said he had a significant amount of conversations on the issue including residents of the
extraterritorial zone. There are strong emotions around the issue but the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.
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Alderman Olson said, being a dog owner affects more than just your household. If pit bull type bites can be fatal, it is a risk
to the community.
Alderman Straight made points regarding the burden to City staff. Ending the BSL means Animal Control does not have to
deal with the issue. His intention is to put more emphasis on the pet owner by requiring annual pet licenses.
Alderman Wolsky said the dangerous animal ordinance may be a better way to mitigate risk but he is not ready to give up the
security that the BSL provides. Once we see if the ordinance works, the issue of breed specific legislation can be addressed.
Alderman Jantzer commented that if the ban is lifted, he would like to see additional requirements such as a chip or training,
that make it less likely there will be a problem.
Alderman Podrygula said he is not willing to lose the security we have now and that certain dogs are more hazardous than
others. He added, if law enforcement has concerns, he agrees with them. He said he cannot ignore the risk when there is
little benefit and cannot in good conscience remove the ban.
Whereupon a vote was taken on the above motion by Alderman Straight, seconded by Alderman Wolsky and failed by the
following roll call vote: ayes: Straight; nays: Barney, Jantzer, Olson, Podrygula, Sipma, Wolsky.
ADJOURNMENT
There being no further business, Alderman Jantzer moved the City Council meeting be adjourned. Motion seconded by
Alderman Sipma and carried unanimously. Meeting adjourned at 9:10 pm.
ATTEST: ______________________________ APPROVED: _______________________________
Kelly Matalka, City Clerk Chuck Barney, Mayor
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