Community Development Advisory Committee
Regular MeetingNorwich, CT · May 27, 2009
Minutes
COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT ADVISORY COMMITTEE MINUTES
MAY 27, 2009
3:00 P.M.
Members Present: Vice-Chairperson Les King, John Mathieu, Red McKeon, and
Lynn Norris
Others Present: Jennifer Gottlieb, Linda Lee Smith
Vice-Chairperson Les King called the meeting to order at 3:12 p.m.
Motion was made by John Mathieu seconded by Demo Angelopoulos to
accept the minutes of the May 11, 2009 meeting with the inclusion that “the
following updates were included by Jennifer Gottlieb” to be inserted before
the total available funding has changed. Motion carried unanimously.
Vice-Chairperson Les King gave a brief review of the last meeting of May 20,
2009 for those that couldn’t attend. Fire Chief Scandariato gave a brief
presentation on the Greeneville Fire Station in pursuit of funding. Ross Anderson
and Denise Magario gave presentations for the YMCA. The committee at the
May 20, 2009 only had time to approve the CDBG-R Stimulus funds. They were
approved as such: Greeneville Fire Station $147,000; Norwich Housing Authority
$62,750; and Energy Efficient Schools $33,250. Although these agencies
received funding the committee agreed that they would also consider them for
CDBG PY 35.
Jennifer Gottlieb told the committee that the Norwich Housing Authority wanted
to be considered for $200,000 from both CDBG PY 35 and CDBG-R Stimulus
funds. The total cost for the project would be about $300,000 and it would take
longer to complete with $100,00 per year. The committee allowed the Fire Chief
to amend his request and in fairness they would also allow the Norwich Housing
Authority to amend their application as well.
Jennifer Gottlieb spoke on the 26 Shipping Street reference masonry for the
façade because after putting the roof out to bid the engineer is asking for more
replacement on the structural members. The original application requested was
for $87,000 to do the masonry work. But since there was going to be a budget
shortfall of $30,000 to finish the roof, the amount on the request should be
reduced to $30,000 to finish the roof. Vice-Chairperson Les King asked if there
was any other correspondence to change the request. Jennifer Gottlieb stated
that she did not write any correspondence.
Communications/Correspondence
The Reliance House had faxed a letter from Boston Lead Company to the CD
staff with an estimate of lead hazards totaling $44,600 - $47,800 and probably
necessary to add 10% to those costs. The final estimate would probably be
$52,000. They are 501(c)(3) nonprofit and they own the building.
Demo Angelopoulos made a motion seconded by John Mathieu to accept
the correspondence from the YMCA and Reliance House. Motion carried
unanimously.
On the CDBG PY 35 Request Sheet a correction needed to be made under the
SCADD Liberty House Roof Replacement. It was stated as rejected and should
read denied. It was denied because it didn’t meet the funding requirements.
Occum Park was not considered under CDBG-R Stimulus because it was
considered “recreation” which was not eligible under CDBG-R Stimulus funds.
There were certain restrictions in the Recovery Act.
YMCA
There was some discussion on the YMCA and they would need the entire
amount of $128,000 and it wouldn’t do very much. The committee had wished
that the YMCA had a plan and they were further along with it. Firstly they need
the boiler in order to do anything else. They probably need around $200,000.
Jennifer Gottlieb told the committee that when the YMCA was granted
consideration for CDBG-R Stimulus funds, the motion that allowed that
consideration mentioned essential services, which were the childcare and
homeless rooms. Now they are talking about revising the facility for the pool. It is
the committee’s decision whether a pool is an essential service and fits within the
scope of the motion.
The YMCA did have contributors of $60,000, but with the business shut down,
without a business plan and budget and a change of services to be restored
services (from childcare and homeless rooms to pool) it was very difficult for the
committee to give them funding.
John Mathieu made a motion seconded by Red McKeon not to fund the
YMCA based on the fact is no cohesive plan in place and it may not benefit
low to moderate income, and did not include the eligible childcare and
homeless rooms. Motion carried unanimously.
Norwich Board of Education Phase III $150,750. The Board of Ed had been
awarded $33,250 funds through CDBG-R Stimulus funds (on May 20, 2009) to
cover numbers 1&2 on their Breakdown List. The balance to finish the project
would be $117,500.
Jennifer Gottlieb thought the Retro-commissioning Report seemed high
compared to the one that was done recently for $17,000. They have put some
money in for an engineer who works for them. Most of this funding would go to
the Wequonnoc School.
CD Administration
The CD Administration went up $8,000 - $9,000 from when they first started
receiving the sheets. CD Administration was funded $191,000 in PY 34. The
original estimate of CDBG funding for PY 35 was $990,974 and $191,046 for
administration. After receiving confirmation from HUD of the exact amount of
CDBG PY 35 funding would be $1,003,051 the administration was raised
accordingly. Because of the NSP and all the new programs a significant amount
of Jennifer Gottlieb’s salary now comes out of CD Administration. The committee
was concerned with administration line item being close to the 20%
administration cap. A portion of Jennifer Gottlieb’s salary from the City budget is
going to be coming out of the CDBG administration budget. John Mathieu asked
Jennifer Gottlieb if the money was originally allocated for salary from the City
Manager’s budget. Jennifer Gottlieb claims that 70% of her time is spent on
CDBG and other HUD programs. John asked what use the City is making of
money they saving by reducing City funding to her position. Jennifer Gottlieb said
that a part time Clerk’s position in the City Manager’s Office and the City’s
general budget is assisted by any savings and it is difficult to pinpoint where
exactly they savings are applied. Jennifer Gottlieb told the committee that the
City Council wanted aggressive budget cuts this year.
Vice-chairperson Les King questioned the $280.00 for water delivery, $500.00
under temporary services, $2,500 conferences. Sometimes there are required
conferences. Sometimes they are out of town and airfare and hotels are required.
The committee wants a better breakdown of conferences for last year. Jennifer
Gottlieb said that there are sometimes conferences that HUD requires the staff to
attend. Vice-Chairperson asked in reference to last years budget how many
people went to conferences and what was the cost. Two people attended a
required conference in Florida. If the funding for conferences is not used the
funding goes back into the budget. Vice-chairperson Les King asked how much
administration funding was left from last year and Jennifer Gottlieb stated almost
nothing. The committee would like a breakdown of how the money was spent for
CD Administration.
Vice-chairperson questioned the $13,500 for rent. Jennifer Gottlieb stated that
this this year the City started to charge the CD office rent, which goes into the
General Fund. Jennifer Gottlieb stated that the CD staff has brought in $2.6
million dollars in grants this year that is for Lead Grant funding and NSP funding
and does not include CDBG. The committee doesn’t want the perception that
CDBG is funded admin heavy being close to the 20% cap of the CDBG PY 35 of
$1,003,051. Jennifer Gottlieb explained to the committee that part of Linda
Smith, Wayne Sharkey, and Susan Goldman’s salary comes out of Lead funding.
The CD Admin budget covers staff to bring in new grants that have no little to no
admin so those CDBG dollars are leveraged to bring in more funds.
On the CD Administration breakdown it states that 75% of the Secretary and
Program Assistant comes out of administration and the other 25% from Lead
funding. The $190,00 listed for administration only represents a portion of
salaries and Jennifer Gottlieb’s salary is partly covered by the City Manager’s
office.
Les King asked Jennifer Gottlieb how much admin money is available out of the
$1.6 million lead grant. Jennifer Gottlieb said that to be competitive for the grant
they could not load it up with admin so they did not charge any of Wayne or
Sue’s salary to the lead grant but are charging the salaries for two new hires,
making it a good job creation tool for eth Recovery act. Jennifer Gottlieb thought
that the bare bones number for administration was $190,000. Les King said that
they shouldn’t have to go line item by line item but everyone is looking at all
budgets and spending. With the CDBG-R Stimulus funds totaling $269,000 and
$26,000 for administration there would be $243,000 left for projects.
Jennifer Gottlieb stated that with the NSP Grant $867,000 she was allowed to
ask for 10% of the grant in administration which would have been $86,000 and
she thought it would make it a competitive application and more appealing for the
application and she put in only $17,000 for administration.
Demo Angelopoulos made a motion seconded by John Mathieu to adjust
the CD Administration to $190,000. Motion carried unanimously. In the
future the committee would like to be aware of the entire breakdown
package with CD Administration.
Property Rehabilitation Program - $460,000
Jennifer Gottlieb explained to the committee the CD office is receiving $1.6
million of lead grant funds to be administered over 3 years and committed to
doing more units. Les King asked how many units did the Program Manager
commit to do? Jennifer Gottlieb said that she didn’t have the exact numbers in
front of her but that they would be doubling the production. The CD office will be
hiring a lead person and this person will be paid out of lead funding.
Les King stated that last years application for Rehab was $400,000 to do about
25 units, provide construction loans for 20-25 structural and 30 – 40 individual
dwelling units. Jennifer Gottlieb stated that when they wrote the lead grant they
committed CDBG funds as a share and committed to a certain number of units,
which is more than the 25 units. With the request for $460,000 in lead funds and
to decrease the amount to $400,000 the Program Manager might have trouble
meeting his unit production that he is committed to under the Lead Program.
CDBG Property Rehab funds are used to leverage lead grant funds to produce a
certain number of units otherwise the City would be in default on the obligation
for lead. Jennifer Gottlieb said that she would trust his number because he is
under obligation so you could decrease his amount to $440,000.
Les King said that last year the Rehab funds had gone to a certain building that
had gone through the program years ago and the committee wanted some
answers. Jennifer Gottlieb told the committee if they would like to see a policy
change that the CDAC committee members should address the RRC Committee.
Les King asked if there was a list of buildings waiting to be done? Jennifer
Gottlieb said that they will open the applications up when the money becomes
available. Wayne Sharkey is currently putting out projects to bid. The NSP
partners, nonprofit housing developers they will be able to apply to the Rehab
Program for the properties they buy with NSP funds. They will be rental units
restricted to people that earn less than 50% AMI. They will benefit from deep
subsidies so they can keep the rentals low. Les King asked if they are going to
give preference to the nonprofit developer over the regular developer. There is
no policy in place for that. They are on a first come first serve basis. The
committee was concerned that out of the total amount of money of $1,003,051,
half of it goes for the Rehab Program and there are a lot of questions that need
to be answered. Jennifer Gottlieb said that if after the Lead Program is over and
they would like the Program revamped they could after three years.
Les King said that for next year the committee requests that CD Rehab do a
complete application and that they want to able to ask questions of the Program
Manager. Les King said that they have never seen the Program Manager and he
is receiving half of the allocated funding. It has been a very successful program.
The committee asked last year why the same building was done and didn’t get
an answer. The CDAC was also concerned if the Rehab Review Committee was
doing blind reviews and who has done inspections and documentation. Jennifer
Gottlieb said that she could ask for a policy change. Les King said it is a
successful program and the money will be spent.
John Mathieu made a motion seconded by Lynn Norris to reduce and
approve the CD Rehabilitation Program to $450,000. Motion carried
unanimously.
The remaining balance of $148,051 of construction funds left to be allocated.
John Mathieu made a motion seconded by Red McKeon to allocate the
remaining $148,051 to the Norwich Board of Ed/Phase III Control System
and the Norwich Housing Authority. The total amount approved for the
Norwich Board of Ed/Phase III Control System of $67,500 to do #3, #4, #5
from their breakdown list submitted to include the following: Install on
demand water heaters $12,500; Convert reverse to direct $15,000; and
Install individual room controls $40,000. The total amount approved for the
Norwich Housing Authority was $80,551 for bathroom renovations at
Rosewood Manor. Motion carried unanimously.
John Mathieu made a motion seconded by Demo Angelopoulos to deny
the remaining projects funding due to a lack of funding #21 AHEPA, #22
TODAP, #23 26 Shipping Street, #28 Norwich Recreation Occum Park
Improvements, #29 Taftville Fire Dept. Roof Replacement, #30 Norwich
Dept. Public Works Thamesville Sidewalks, #31 Reliance House Lead
Stabilization at Penobscot Street. Motion carried unanimously.
Committee members were concerned at a later date that there may be
recaptured funds for some of the other projects that didn’t get funded this year.
Les King had asked Jennifer Gottlieb to write a letter to the Rehab Review
Committee requesting more information on the Rehab Program Policy Change.
The CDAC members would like to be notified of the Rehab Review Committee
meetings. Les King had requested that the CDAC committee receive a list of
buildings that had been funded in the last 10 years.
On next years application a change will be made on the Capital projects. The
budgeted amounts requested will need to be accompanied by estimates from
licensed contractors.
The committee had some concerns on the projects being done and who has final
approval. The CDAC office bids through the City and some of the larger projects
have their own architect to sign off on stating the work is completed. Sometimes
Dept. of Public Works as well as Dept. of Public Utilities will also sign off.
Norwich Human Services hands in quarterly reports
The Council meeting for the CDBG PY 35 Allocations will be presented on June
15, 2009.
Red McKeon made a motion seconded by Demo Angelopoulos to adjourn.
Motion carried unanimously.
The CDAC meeting ended at 4:41 p.m.
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