Neighborhood Districts
Regular MeetingProvo, UT · October 26, 2023
Minutes
Neighborhood District 5 Meeting Minutes – October 26, 2023
16 residents signed in as attending, and an additional 6 joined on Zoom. Executive board members in
attendance included Laura Leavitt, David Harding, Dylan Cindrich, Art Occon, Daniel Friend, and Jason Ream.
Leo Lines attended via Zoom and Sariah Hillam and Shannon Bingham were excused.
1.Department Topics (6:30-7:00 PM)
A. 700 West & 100 North traffic study report (Vern Keeslar, Traffic Manager)
The first order of business was reporting on the 700 West and 100 North Traffic study. Vern Keeslar was
unable to attend but sent a statement that was read. They are holding off on starting the study until the
almost finished raised crosswalks on Center are done and Halloween is over. In the study they will look at
speed, volume, and crash data for the blocks from 500 West to 900 West on 100 North. He included some
Q&A that went into what they will be looking for, such as the different types of accidents and how engineering
solutions might lessen the severity. He also addressed safety standards and what warrants installation of
traffic control devices. Rachel Breen mentioned that he has done some preliminary research already looking at
crash data and wants to get a true study started.
A resident asked how to contact Vern Keeslar. Laura mentioned that his contact information is available on the
city website and that he has been responsive to her emails. Another board member said that they can also get
the question to the executive board and we can follow up on it. Another resident asked about the intersection
on 500 N and 500 W. There are "no turn right on red" lights that are never turned on. She was also asking
about what the standards are on what the requirements are for stop signs and bulb outs and is hoping to have
him cover that.
Another resident mentioned that the motivations for putting in stop signs are based on crash data and that it
seems backward, waiting for accidents to happen first. We should try to make the changes before the crashes
occur. Shannon McGuire, who brought this agenda item to our attention last month, says that is the reason
she brought this up—a small child moved in recently and they often have difficulty with cars passing other cars
stopped for them to walk in the crosswalk. 700 W and 100 N has had a child hit in that intersection some years
ago and nothing had been done.
Laura noticed there were zebra lines in crosswalks south of BYU campus and was curious to know what made
it possible. A resident thought that meant that no matter where a person is in that crosswalk, you have to stop
versus a crosswalk without them where you only have to stop if the pedestrian is on their side. There is also a
visibility issue at night to promote seeing where the crosswalk is. Dylan mentioned that engineering can only
fix things that they know about. If we as neighbors are reaching out then we have a greater likelihood of them
acting.
B. Provo School District update (Gina Hales, Provo School Board)
The second topic was an update on Provo School District by School Board member Gina Hales. The first item in
her presentation was that when they did their survey preparing to get a new superintendent they realized that
their communication was really bad. They have been working hard on improving it. You can sign up for their
weekly podcast. They are working on a strategic plan and would like input. The steering committee met last
week and the completion date is April 2024. She mentioned a report on the Dixon Property put together by
the superintendent. Basically, discussions have started on what to do with the property once the new school
opens in fall 2024. Gina has been pushing to have a decision made so the property will not fall into disrepair.
She listed some possibilities of a STEAM secondary magnet school, district offices, or a resource center for
adult education classes.
A resident asked if the earthquake concerns would be addressed in any of these options. Gina said she had
talked to the architects. They said it would take a lot of money to restore the old building. More cost effective
would be to demolish and rebuild, but they would want to talk to the community about it.
They are trying to get better on listening to the community, and mentioned they have a survey open about
preferences for the 2025-2026 calendar year. One resident asked if they could have the fall break align with
Halloween so kids wouldn't be so tired. Gina thought teachers would be on board with that. The questions
mostly ask about how long the break would be, and historically it aligned with the UEA convention. Gina asked
the resident to put it in the comments.
Gina mentioned that school start times could be changed, but there would be a cost. Usually when they bring
it up everyone wants to have it go later, but then people don't like how it would affect afternoon programs
and other logistics and back off. She says there will be a short survey probably in January to gauge interest.
Rachel Whipple asked that when you put out the information, that you put on the cost of the current system
versus any changes so that it can be a fair comparison. Timpanogos is the only walking only school, so they
change will need to be system wide. All the research says we should start school later for teenagers in terms
of better outcomes. The board is willing to listen.
Camp Big Springs has had some significant damage in the heavy snows last winter. The tent platforms would
need to be replaced. They are asking whether to move to a day camp format. Still nailing down the costs but it
expensive to run and so are asking for feedback. Is this something we really want to keep or feel we can do
without. Open to keeping it if the community wants. They will be running it this coming summer, feedback
would be for further years. Rachel Whipple asked about whether they are expanding it so more children can
go. Her oldest two were able to attend but her youngest didn't bring home the form in time so all slots were
filled and he didn't get to go. How can we make it so more low income children also get a chance to go? Gina
said they have been talking about that. The last few years it hasn't been full during and after COVID, but they
expect it will fill in the future. They are looking at options shortening the time to have more sessions. It is kind
of difficult to get to the area, and they are looking at moving the tents as well.
When the original study was done for the new Shoreline Middle School, it was not expected that it would
need bus routes. However, Gina and the rest of the board know that distance alone isn't the factor because
that would mean many students will be crossing train tracks and Center Street and she knows many students'
brains are not developed. The board were able to approve some bus routes north and east of the train tracks
even though that meant a higher cost. The school will open August 2024. Gina made a lot of noise on this
because her neighborhood was affected. If you have any comments or suggestions, please reach out to her at
ginah@provo.edu and the other board members.
2.Additional Topics (7:00-7:45 PM)
A. Matching Grant proposal (McKay Lenker)
McKay Lenker brought a Matching Grant Proposal. She is suggesting to create a Community Toy Library.
Similar to little free libraries, it would be a place for kids to take and leave toys. McKay is an artist and art
teacher who works for Downtown Provo doing the Art Stroll and Murals, etc. She has lived in the Maeser
Neighborhood in the polka dot house since 2019. She would like to repurpose the toy library from a cabinet
about child height out front of her house, with good roofing and cemented in to protect and stabilize it. The
neighborhood grant would help cover the materials cost. She thinks it could create an opportunity for low
income families to have access to new toys and become a destination for walks. Pretty self sustaining once set
up, but she thinks it would be fun to post every so often the new offerings on social media. She would take
care of maintenance and organize other volunteers to help. She thinks it could get done in a month, would
love to have it by Christmas.
Someone asked if this would need city approval because it would be in the park strip. Abinadi Borjas said that
his division split into districts, and he is over our District 5. He said she would need to talk to them because it
wouldn't be an automatic yes or no. It would probably have to meet minimum height requirements, but
besides that it is a great idea.
Rachel Breen clarified how the volunteer hours would work for a matching grant. It would take about 200
hours to cover the $200 of supplies. Another resident is putting in a free library, and suggested McKay ask for
more money. McKay asked whether we would vote on this today. Rachel Breen said the neighborhood already
voted on a project—Rob Slater's project. It has been voted on but not put in or approved. Because this wasn't
for a lot of money, it could be a backup. Dylan replied it would only take $200 out of the funds. Teri McCabe
mentioned that the District has $1000 per year in a budget. Rachel Breen said that budget could be used for
this outright without going through the matching grant. Teri asked if volunteer hours on this project could go
toward Rob's project and Rachel Breen said yes.
Laura said she is personally more interested in the budget funds. She and Dave Harding had dipped into it a bit
for signs and pavilion for the voter turnout push. There would be enough for this as well. Dave Harding said
that as far as projects go, this is fairly inexpensive. His personal leanings would be toward using the matching
grant because we would have more flexibility. We have talked generally about these projects and how to
weigh them, but because we didn't have many projects we simply lost the money last year. Rachel Whipple
loves this idea and would like to have this be the first one and then look at strategically where to put others
through the neighborhood, connecting lines along through a park and things like that as an ongoing project.
Shannon McGuire also loves the idea and would love to host one in the Dixon neighborhood. Even if we start
just one, this could be great to expand. It could help with a sense of family and serve lower income families
who are working so much. Giving them an activity in the neighborhood that specifically involves the children
will make it more appealing to them. Art Occon mentioned they already have a free little library in Franklin. He
thinks it would be fun to have 1-2 in each neighborhood and a map to connect them. Laura would like to take
a vote but is a bit nebulous on how the funding should be handled. Art said that if we vote whether we would
like to see it happen then we can figure it out.
Laura put out a motion to support and by raise of hands, it was unanimous to support. She said we would
support it and figure out the details.
B. Update on Matching Grant proposal (Rob Slater)
Rob Slater addressed the community project to improve the parking strip next to Market Fresh. Last meeting
he had unanimous support to go forward so he did some legwork. He went to the Elks Lodge who owns the
property and they are in favor and would pay for the water after we do the landscaping. So what we would
need now is matching grant money for the landscaping. They think they will need $5000 for materials and any
excavating expected to dig out the asphalt and dead trees. So they need hundreds of hours, but the city will
take any hours. There are neighborhoods in Grandview who are using ward service projects to count toward
those hours and stack them up. Art wondered about using My Hometown hours, and Rachel Breen said that it
is any service that improves your community in your district—not bringing a meal, but something like fixing a
yard or raking leaves or picking up trash. Something that improves the community as a whole. If a boy scout
troop is doing something, go to them and log the hours. She just needs to know what the project was, where it
was done, what day, how many people participated, and how many hours. Has to be within District 5 and
something that beautifies your community.
One resident asked how the program works. Rachel Breen says the city gets a 2-fer. They get a bunch of
people doing service and they pay the community for materials to do it. Some districts do the service first,
sometimes they put in the service doing the project and get reimbursed for the materials. District 1 put
sprinklers in a neighborhood park. Their people did a project cleaning up the park and then the city contracted
with the sprinkler guy to pay him directly after the work was done.
Teri mentioned we are headed into winter, so we can get hours from shoveling sidewalks and try banking
hours—Rachel Breen mentioned that the whole project and service hours need to be done in the same fiscal
year. She said that BYU is begging for service projects, and anything they do in our district will count for hours
for us to log. There have got to be projects in our area. They mentioned raking leaves and preparing yards for
winter. Their whole club is cleaning up the community. The earliest they will start is at 9:15 (the My
Hometown projects start at 8:00 so they aren't interested in those). Some classes require service hours to get
an A, so they are motivated to come help. Art mentioned that My Hometown is not doing more projects until
about next March. He is wondering if they can go back and use hours from September and August, which may
fill up a lot of the needed hours. He asked Rob to figure out how many hours will need to do the project itself
and we can see how much more may be needed to have the neighborhoods do that beforehand.
Rob said we are going to xeriscape as much as we can, and will use volunteers from the neighborhood to go
pick weeds now and then.
Abinadi said that 40% will need to be landscaped to meet zoning requirements, a regulation that has been in
place for a long time. The cemented portion has been there since the 1960s so they hadn't enforced it, but
they could because it is not in compliance. He says we can put in whatever we want as long as it is living. Dave
Harding mentioned that Home Depot has asked to participate in community project. Doesn't know about
Cooks (Farm &Greenhouse in Orem), but we could probably make the matching grant money go as far as
possible to work with people who want to help. Another mentioned that Home Depot is a good way to get
East Bay involved as well as they are primarily business owners.
He asked for a sign-up for people interested in helping so he could send out a link with updates and way to
help. Laura mentioned we can put a link in the minutes and people can sign up through that. Art asked if there
is a rendering we can share with people. He said know, but that some landscape design friends would be
happy to do that. Abinadi says Chaz Addis the City Arborist, before touch those trees need to talk to him or
will be in trouble, so talk to him first. Matt in their department is the one who first suggested using the
matching grant, so is on board.
Sign-up sheet for residents who want to help with the parkstrip project and to record service
done within the Neighborhood District 5 boundaries between July 1, 2023-now: Gateway
park strip.xlsx - Google Sheets
Dylan is curious about the timeline. June is the end of the fiscal year, so we would need to reimburse people
on plants before that. He was wondering if we could do the demolition earlier. Susan Keller said we need to
see a mockup first. Another resident said he has been talking to people about xeriscaping and they say fall is a
good time . Also in spring, it would be good to get My Hometown involved also when they start up in spring.
Rachel Breen was asked if some city department could help with the demolition. She says we can ask on that.
Rob will get started on a rendering to have a visual and a link. He'll talk to Home Depot. They have some
limitations but it sounds like this is one area they could actually help.
C. Report on Get Out the Vote event (Neighborhood District 5 board member)
Laura said that the get out the vote event didn't happen because as chair members they just had a lot going
on. She has yard signs that people can put up in their yards (NOT in park strips) to encourage people to vote.
3.Public Comment (7:45-8:00 PM)
A resident mentioned Chaz helped him plant trees at his house, and then the resident with his own money
bought rings to protect them. 60% of trees that die we take down are because of lawnmowers and
weedwhackers. Maybe if when trees are put in, something should be done to try to protect them. A resident
asked if some penalty can be put on for lawn care companies who are consistently damaging trees. Dave
mentioned park strips are city property but land owner responsibility to care for them.
Laura said everyone can email Vern VKeeslar@provo.org with Becky Bogdin mentioned that by law have to
follow certain protocols, called warrants. Until they meet the warrants, they cannot do anything. If nothing
happens after an issue is brought up, it isn't because they don't care. Laura mentioned that the engineers we
have now are proactive and is grateful for that.
Agenda
Neighborhood District 5 Meeting Agenda
(Dixon, Timp, Franklin, Franklin South, Downtown, Joaquin, Maeser, East Bay)
Thursday, October 26, 2023; 6:30-8:00 PM
City Hall Community Room
445 West Center Street, Provo
Direct Zoom link: https://us02web.zoom.us/j/81464446869?pwd=em9HeUxPaC9CbE8vS2dmNXZTbGFCUT09
Through Zoom website: go to https://zoom.us, enter Meeting ID 814 6444 6869, passcode 841715.
Zoom by phone: dial 346-248-7799, enter Meeting ID 814 6444 6869, press #, when asked for participant ID,
press #; press *9 if you would like to speak.
1. Department Topics (6:30-7:00 PM)
A. 700 West & 100 North traffic study report (Vern
Keeslar, Traffic Manager)
B. Provo School District update (Gina Hales, Provo
School Board)
2. Additional Topics (7:00-7:45 PM)
A. Matching Grant proposal (McKay Lenker)
B. Update on Matching Grant proposal (Rob Slater)
C. Report on Get Out the Vote event (Neighborhood
District 5 board member)
3. Public Comment (7:45-8:00 PM)
4. Adjournment (8:00 PM)
Next Neighborhood District 5 Meeting: Thursday, December 14, 2023, 6:30 PM, City Hall Community Room.
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