Board of Health
Regular MeetingSalem, MA · August 10, 2021
Minutes
CITY OF SALEM
BOARD OF HEALTH
MEETING MINUTES
Virtual Meeting held via Zoom
and
Recorded by SATV
August 10, 2021
MEMBERS PRESENT: Dr. Jeremy Schiller, Paul Kirby, Geraldine Yuhas, Sara Moore, Datanis Elias
OTHERS PRESENT: David Greenbaum, Health Agent, Suzanne Darmody, Public Health Nurse, Maureen Davis,
Clerk of the Board, Patricia Morsillo, City Council Liaison
ATTENDEES ADDRESSED: (Please see minutes)
TOPIC DISCUSSION/ACTION
J. Schiller read aloud that, pursuant to Governor Baker’s orders, there
exists COVID-19 Emergency Open Meeting Law Guidance regarding the
implementation of virtual public meetings, etc.
1. Call to Order
7:03pm
2. Approval of Minutes G. Yuhas motioned to approve the minutes. P. Kirby 2 nd.
(July 7, 2021)
Roll call vote:
G. Yuhas – approve
S. Moore – approve
P. Kirby – approve
D. Elias – approve
J. Schiller – approve
Motion passed unanimously by a vote of 5 to 0.
3. Discussion and Updates on J. Schiller said the Delta Variant, a variant of COVID-19, is now the
COVID-19, including recent majority virus within this country.
increases in cases, the Delta D. Greenbaum said what we know is that approximately 81% of cases in
Variant and possible mitigation Massachusetts are the Delta Variant. We are seeing Delta in Salem, as well
strategies as most communities in the Commonwealth. We have definitely seen an
uptick in cases over the last six weeks; about 100 cases since the beginning
of July, so we are on pace for a little over two cases a day. It doesn’t seem
like a lot, but we are a tourist community, and we are seeing a lot of people
from outside of our state coming from areas that don’t have the vaccination
rates that we have in Massachusetts. It is concerning to him that this is
taking place at this point. He, like most people, thought we were past this.
Unfortunately, the Delta Variant is much more transmissible. This variant
is very dangerous. We are in a position now where we might be able to
prevent this from spreading too much further. Hopefully we can do that as
a community and put this behind us again as we have done in the past.
J. Schiller said what happened in Provincetown was with breakthrough
infections the variant was infecting both vaccinated and unvaccinated.
There is still a lot of data that is not known, but we always like to follow
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the science as best we can. The science from what happened in
Provincetown clearly shows that people who are vaccinated still can get the
virus, although the impact and the risk of hospitalization and death upon
those who are vaccinated is multiple times less, so vaccinations clearly
work. The problem with the Delta Variant is it still can be spread among
the vaccinated, based on the data from Provincetown. We are here tonight
to talk about what we can potentially do to limit spread in Salem,
specifically in anticipation of well over 100,000 people coming to the City
over the next two months. We are unique in that way.
D. Greenbaum agreed. He said in the month of July we had 59 cases. 25
of those cases were fully vaccinated and 17 of those were identified as
Delta Variant. There were probably more cases of the Delta Variant
because the State does a random survey of positive cases to test for the
variant, so it was probably more than 17. We know that if one person in a
household had Delta, then everyone else who tested positive in that
household probably had Delta. In the ten days of August so far, we have
had 37 cases and 13 of those were fully vaccinated. They have not
identified any Delta to date in the month of August.
J. Schiller said he and D. Greenbaum met with the Mayor and the
Superintendent last Thursday. The School Committee will require indoor
masking within the schools, and the Mayor will be mandating masking
within the municipal buildings throughout Salem. In addition, people who
work in schools or in municipal buildings will be required to be vaccinated,
and if not vaccinated will be required to be tested at least twice a week.
As a Board we can also limit the increase in cases among residents in
Salem, anticipating the density of people coming here not just from around
the country, but potentially around the world where we know the
vaccination rates vary widely. None of this is pleasant, but we have the
opportunity to take some proactive measures to continue the success we
have achieved in Salem. We have done very well throughout the past year
and a half. The economy is doing well in Salem. People are coming back
to Salem, which is what we want, but we want to do it in the safest way
possible. The idea of an indoor mask mandate was discussed. Sometime
after Halloween seems like a natural end date for an indoor mask mandate.
S. Moore said she appreciates the mitigation efforts the public schools are
making. She thinks that is really important since it is very concerning that
children under the age of 12 don’t have access to vaccine at this point.
Very recently we took away the mask mandate based on the data we had at
the time. The data we are seeing now shows a rise in case counts.
Understanding what Halloween in Salem looks like makes us a unique
place to be. She doesn’t know if other communities are having discussions
about mask mandates, but we are unique and there are a lot of people
coming in from out of town. She feels in order to make sure we can keep
our businesses open we need to put some strategies in place. She is in full
support of the indoor mask mandate. Nobody loves wearing a mask, but
masking is not a big ask for the health of our community and especially the
health of children and people who are immunocompromised.
D. Greenbaum said he knows other communities are having discussions
internally about masks. He believes that at some point the other
communities around Salem are going to institute similar measures. He
thinks we need to act now because of our unique position in Salem with
tourism and the amount of people coming into the City even now. He
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thinks the other communities will follow suit, it is just a matter of when and
what their numbers look like.
J. Schiller added that the Board has done all it can to maximize public
health throughout this pandemic, while at the same time taking into account
people’s concerns and people’s liberties and walking an almost impossible
fine line between those two things. He said he agrees with S. Moore that
masks are not a big ask. We are trying to hopefully prevent limiting
businesses or shutting businesses down by protecting all of us. We
received several emails on both sides.
G. Yuhas said putting a mask on is a simple thing to do and a kind thing to
do to protect the community. We are hoping to do this simple thing to
prevent us from doing a big thing like closing down for Halloween again.
P. Kirby agreed. He said knowing human nature, we would like to think
that people would be honest, but the CDC’s voluntary honor system
recommendations for wearing masks based on vaccination status were
never really workable, particularly once Delta arrived. That is the
reasoning and logic behind the idea of an indoor mask mandate.
J. Schiller said we know what works by following the science.
Vaccinations work, so people need to get vaccinated. It prevents
hospitalizations and death by multiple, multiple folds as compared to
people who are not vaccinated. We also know that masking works. We
also know with our recent data from Provincetown that people who are
vaccinated potentially can spread the virus. The uptick of virus prevalence
within MA, which has increased dramatically over the last two months
even though we are still fairly low in the 2 ½% range, is worrisome for us
as a community anticipating the influx of people that we know we are
going to get. That is the science that we have to go on. Everything else is
difficult to predict.
D. Greenbaum said the Provincetown cluster had nearly 1,000 cases; seven
people were hospitalized, and they were unvaccinated. Everybody else that
was vaccinated recovered at home with minor illness. At this point the best
defenses are vaccines and masking for those that either can’t get the
vaccine or won’t get the vaccine. Wearing a mask is not something
everybody wants to do or likes to do but it is necessary.
P. Morsillo said some of the comments she is hearing are that restaurants
and bars feel it is more pro forma requiring people to wear a mask to walk
in only to take it off to eat or sit at the bar. There is a lot of pushback.
There are also questions about a concept in New York state where someone
could check a database to see if someone has been vaccinated and those
people would be allowed to make a reservation in a restaurant or attend a
play. She asked if there are any plans along those lines in MA.
J. Schiller said that New York’s concept did come up at their meeting with
the Mayor, but he does not know how New York is going to enforce that.
D. Greenbaum said if the Board were to vote to issue a mask mandate, it
would be very hard to separate it into one category or another – it is a
slippery slope. He understands the pro forma argument from the
restaurants and bars, but it could be worse – it could be that we are saying
no more indoor dining and limiting dining to only outdoors.
As far as what is going on in New York, he agrees with J. Schiller that it
would be difficult to enforce. At this time there is no talk about doing any
sort of vaccine passport system in MA. Of course, that could change if
things progress and continue to get worse. The Governor said he intends to
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take no action at this time on anything, which is unfortunate because that
leaves boards of health having to deal with these situations and make
decisions that could just as easily have been made at the state level and then
boards could augment them as they see fit.
S. Moore added that with regard to the restaurants and bars, the 15-minute
close proximity rule with the initial strain has changed. With the Delta
Variant that time period is much lower, so maybe the minute or two that it
takes to wait for a table will play a role in a way that it would not have
before, so that is something to consider also.
J. Schiller said, as a Board, we do the best we can do and to do nothing,
given what we are anticipating and what we know based on the science,
would be irresponsible.
D. Greenbaum said at this point we anticipate an end date some time in
November, after the Halloween festivities end. Based on what we have
seen in other parts of the world like in England and India, and even in
Provincetown, these Delta Variant spikes rise like a rocket and fall like a
rocket. Provincetown went from 15% positivity to 4% in a matter of
weeks. He feels that a mask mandate can help prevent Salem from having
those rocket-like increases and keep us on a plateau.
J. Schiller said there are well over 70 people attending the meeting so
comments will need to be limited to two minutes.
D. Greenbaum said we have received some very nasty and inappropriate
phone calls to the office the last couple of days, so we ask that people be
respectful and if things get out of control, we will cut people off from
speaking any further.
Attendee Patrick Dooley, 33 Bow Street, acknowledged there are no easy
answers and there are risks and benefits to whatever decision is made. He
is a transplant that has been here for a while and said he can tell us that
everybody knows Salem, just as everyone knows other major cities like
Boston. Salem is a unique and very famous town. He sees we have an
opportunity to take a real leadership position in how we deal with COVID
in our community. As a former small family-owned business owner he
always leans toward the less restrictive measures. He said masks are
imperfect; they are uncomfortable, increase carbon dioxide in the
bloodstream, increase facial acne, decrease oxygen intake which can lead to
increased stress and increased vulnerability to disease in general, and he
thinks a lot about the kids. There is a false sense of security in masks.
Masks are not an end-all, be-all in preventing methods of entry into the
human body. Exposed skin, and especially the eyes are also entry points.
He would like to see more of an acknowledgement that there are lots of
data points to consider. We are going so quickly back to mask mandates
without an equal increase in other measures such as preventive methods,
treatments, and an increase in public service announcement measures to
increase the information to individuals about what they should be doing to
stay healthy; better diet, more sunshine, solid rest, increased exercise,
staying home when you’re sick, etc. He appreciates that we are taking on
great responsibility at the government level for keeping ourselves safe, but
at some point, it has to go back to the individual. This virus is here to stay,
and we have to learn to live with it.
Attendee Lynn Connor, 190 Bridge Street, questioned the support of
businesses from the Health Department. A year ago, it was universal
worldwide that everyone had a mask with them 24/7. That is no longer the
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case. There will be people visiting Salem coming from communities that
haven’t worn masks in months. She hopes businesses will not be required
to provide PPE or turn away visitors who don’t have a mask with them.
She is curious if the Board of Health has thought that through so businesses
don’t end up taking a toll by this new mandate.
D. Greenbaum said the City as a whole has had great discussions about
how to support the businesses. We have masks and signage that we can
provide. We have been there all along to support the businesses so we will
continue to do that. If any business needs masks they can contact the
Health Department or the Fire Department. We are doing our best to help
the business community get through this period as smoothly as possible.
S. Moore added that, as G. Yuhas rightfully pointed out, masking is both a
kindness and a small ask. She feels if we can implement masking as an
intervention as opposed to implementing several other interventions all at
once, we can really see the effectiveness of masks. There is plenty of
research that shows that masks are very effective at preventing transmission
– there just is. She sees this as an effort to not have to restrict capacity in
businesses. The idea is to try to keep transmission rates low so everything
can run as normally as possible. She understands the concerns of business
owners but sees masks as a way to get ahead of what could be a significant
problem, and if what happened in Provincetown happens here, that could
be really damaging for our businesses.
Attendee Harrison Schell, 170 North Street, said he works two jobs and
one of them is at a restaurant in downtown Salem. Last March he got a text
saying the next day the restaurant was going to be closed. He said he
believes over 4 million people to date have received two doses of the
vaccine in MA. He is glad that MA is second in the country behind VT.
We are also low in percentage of COVID cases behind VT. We have done
a great job. We deserve to reduce restrictions with masking. As a speaker
said earlier, there are risks to both decisions. Those at risk have taken it
upon themselves to do what’s right and get vaccinated and he encourages
everyone to do the same. He feels that, until now, there was some
misinformation about people not knowing they could get the Coronoavirus
again. It’s about getting the vaccine to prevent against its symptoms if you
do get it. He quoted from an article in Atlantic Magazine regarding the
Phase 3 Pfizer vaccine clinical trial. The article stated that most vaccines
do not typically prevent a person from getting infected, they simply make
that infection less consequential and enable the body to clear it more
quickly. He said that’s why everyone should get the vaccine in the first
place. That’s why we should not be worried about case numbers but the
vaccination rates. He said we deserve to not be going back in time and we
need to take the hard leadership role in ensuring that wo do not go back to
that time we succeeded through.
Attendee Daryl Bennett, 2 ½ Mt Vernon Street, said she has spoken in the
past about what could be helpful regarding protocol. She spoke about
Ivermectin.
J. Schiller apologized for interrupting her and said that information is not
accurate and has been debunked. He referred her to a recent JAM article
about a randomized controlled study comparing Ivermectin to placebo that
showed that Ivermectin did not show a positive result.
D. Bennett said she would like to continue communicating with him about
it.
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J. Schiller agreed to discuss it with her at another time but said this was not
the forum for the discussion.
Attendee Jeff Cohen, 12 Hancock Street, wants to reinforce what S. Moore
and D. Greenbaum said that if we enact the policy of masks we will
potentially get through this sooner together. The concept people have been
talking about individual rights or decision making in some ways conflicts
with individual responsibility. We are part of a community, and many
people who are in Salem are not from Salem. It is hard to monitor where
they come from or what their situations are. He is asking people in the
public to think about what D. Greenbaum said that this could potentially
shorten our time of having to try to mitigate this problem. The Delta
Variant is many times more contagious and studies in the south have shown
a significant ratio of people in the hospital from COVID are children, lots
of them two years old or younger. This is not about our discomfort or our
freedom, this is about working together to get through something so at
some point we can all throw our masks away.
Attendee Andrew Meegan (no address provided) wanted to express his
concerns about considering masks at all. He wanted to echo the first three
speakers. He said anybody who has not been vaccinated who has lived
through the last 18 months who is not participating understands their risk.
It is up to us to take care of ourselves. Through that we will be taking care
of our community. He feels we are headed in the wrong direction with
masks.
D. Greenbaum pointed out that this is not just about those that refuse to get
vaccinated, it is also about those that can’t. We have a population of
people who are immunocompromised and have been advised by their
physician not to get vaccinated. We also have a population of children
under 12 who are not eligible to be vaccinated which is why the schools
have taken the action they have.
S. Moore asked about lead time, so businesses have time to prepare. The
municipal policy begins on August 23rd.
D. Greenbaum said he thinks we should be in sync with the municipal
policy. Initially they thought maybe September 1 st, but if we are trying to
do a mitigation effort to get ahead of something it seems counterintuitive to
wait longer.
Attendee Benjamin Selecky, 244 Essex Street, Vampfangs, said he
appreciates the work the Board is doing and understands the last year and a
half has been difficult for all of us. If we go back to an indoor mask
mandate, they will handle it the same way they did last time. They will put
up signage that has a respectful tone, they will engage with their customers
with firm kindness and empathy. He is happy to report they had virtually
zero instances of issues with masks, and he believes it is because of how
they handled it with being very respectful. One concern he has is the Safe
to Open campaign around whether or not a business had a vaccine mandate
for their employees. He believes all businesses in Salem are safe or the
City would not allow them to operate. He is concerned from a customer
facing standpoint that it could lead to a misperception.
D. Greenbaum said he appreciates him bringing it up and he will reiterate
his thoughts to the people operating that campaign. The Board of Health is
not pushing that campaign forward at this stage. He said it is not just about
vaccinations, it’s about if employees don’t want to get vaccinated or can’t
get vaccinated, they will get tested on a regular basis.
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J. Schiller thanked the public for their attendance and comments. He said
he values and appreciates hearing other points of view, whether in
agreement or not. We are still left having to make a decision. We have
received many emails on both sides that have been enlightening as to how
people are experiencing this pandemic from various angles; it has affected
everybody. He said this Board has always tried to do the right thing,
coming from the right place, based on the data that we have that we know
is reliable. He said the proposal is in concert with what the Mayor is doing
in municipal buildings and what the schools are going to do. He agrees
with S. Moore and G. Yuhas that masking a small ask. It is something we
are already used to doing. He said in addition to vaccines, masks work
indoors, and we know that. His view is that he doesn’t think we have a real
choice. Masking is a small ask and it can have a potentially big impact on
the fact that we may never realize what happened in Provincetown in
Salem, which protects our businesses economically and protects the public
health within the City.
D. Greenbaum said this is strictly about masks inside enclosed spaces, but
this is all subject to change. If there is an incredible increase in cases
where this is not working, then other mitigation efforts may take place. He
doesn’t foresee that happening. If the Board chooses to do this mask
mandate, he hopes it will keep us on the plateau we are on or flatten our
curve quicker than Provincetown did and get us through the busiest months
of the year downtown and throughout Salem so we can move past this and
hopefully not have to worry about masks again.
J. Schiller said if we adopt this and make a motion to proceed with an
indoor mask mandate, he strongly encourages we have an expiration date,
so it is not an open-ended mask mandate.
D. Greenbaum advised the Board that there is a two-week incubation
period, so two weeks post-Halloween might make sense as an expiration
date.
D. Elias said she definitely supports indoor masking. She believes it is a
preventive measure – with emphasis on preventive. She thinks we should
double down on masking, vaccinations, and social distancing. The
population of kids under 12 years old that don’t have the vaccine are
accompanied by adults who may be exposed to the variant and because we
are vaccinated and not showing symptoms, we can carry it and spread it.
This variant is highly contagious. She agrees we should have an end date.
We can check the data in November to see where we are at. Right now,
this will help keep us healthy and safe. That is what the Board of Health is
all about. We are not limiting businesses, we are not shutting down, we are
just trying to keep people safe.
J. Schiller said it seems like the members of the Board all feel similarly.
He said he would like to lobby for it to begin in a week since we have
masks now, however logistically the start date should be the same as the
City. He knows there are restaurants that already institute a mask mandate
for workers.
D. Greenbaum said there are a number of businesses downtown that require
masks for everybody.
P. Kirby moved that the Board adopt an indoor mask mandate for all
businesses beginning Monday, August 23, 2021 and ending Saturday,
November 13, 2021. G. Yuhas 2nd.
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Roll call vote:
G. Yuhas – approve
P. Kirby – approve
S. Moore – approve
D. Elias – approve
J. Schiller – approve
Motion passed unanimously by a vote of 5 to 0.
J. Schiller thanked everybody for their input. This is not an easy decision.
It is not what anyone wants but it is what we need to do.
P. Kirby thanked J. Schiller for his leadership.
Attendee Andrew Meegan spoke again. He said he was concerned you
were going to put this to a vote right now. This was supposed to be a
discussion for you all to learn about the topic and make a decision and right
here you just went right straight to the end game.
J. Schiller said with all due respect, it says mitigation efforts on the agenda.
He said both he and the Board members have individually put many hours
into reading about this, in addition to public comment via emails and
correspondence, as well as tonight. He asked if he was suggesting
otherwise.
A. Meegan said he is suggesting that this was held out here as though it
was an open discussion and you all just put it to a vote. Based on the calls
tonight he can’t say the public is totally supportive of the current decision.
J. Schiller said we don’t take a public vote on how we determine what’s
best for public health.
A. Meegan said he understands that. The decision has been made. He is
just expressing his displeasure.
4. Chairperson Communications Nothing further than discussed.
5. Monthly Reports-Updates
a. Public Health
Nurse’s Report Report not available.
b. Health Agent’s Report Report not available.
c. Administrative Report
Copy available at BOH office.
d. Council Liaison Updates
P. Morsillo said the Council is getting ready for the elections in September.
P. Kirby motioned to approve the reports. S. Moore 2 nd.
Roll call vote:
G. Yuhas – approve
P. Kirby – approve
S. Moore – approve
D. Elias – approve
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J. Schiller – approve
Motion passed unanimously by a vote of 5 to 0.
6. New Business/Scheduling of Future
J. Schiller said we need to talk about whether we want to still meet virtually
Agenda Items
or in-person.
D. Greenbaum said the Governor’s Acts extended the virtual meetings until
April of 2022. The recommendation from the City is that boards and
commissions stay remote until we can get the technology that is being put
into the meeting rooms in the City Hall Annex installed and ready to use
for hybrid meetings of in-person boards with the public being able to call in
and hear the meeting remotely. That could change in October or
November.
J. Schiller said we will still stay remote in compliance with that
recommendation.
G. Yuhas said we may need to change the meeting date for September
because the primaries are the 14th, and she works the polls. She will email
the Board about possible dates.
Attendee Arielle Kaplan, Creative Collectives, 265 Essex Street, gave the
Board the Jewish holiday dates to assist with scheduling of the meeting
date.
Attendee John Andrews, 265 Essex Street, asked for clarification for
indoor events and asked if all the guests at all indoor events will have to be
masked.
D. Greenbaum said if they are indoors, then yes.
MEETING ADJOURNED: G. Yuhas motioned to adjourn. D. Elias 2nd.
8:13pm
Roll call vote:
G. Yuhas – approve
P. Kirby – approve
S. Moore – approve
D. Elias – approve
J. Schiller – approve
Motion passed unanimously by a vote of 5 to 0.
Respectfully submitted,
Next regularly scheduled meeting is
Tuesday, September 14, 2021 at 7:00pm
Maureen Davis
Clerk of the Board
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Agenda
CITY OF SALEM,
MASSACHUSETTS
BOARD OF HEALTH
98 WASHINGTON STREET, 3RD FLOOR
SALEM, MA 01970
TEL. (978) 741-1800 DAVID GREENBAUM
health@salem.com HEALTH AGENT
KIMBERLEY DRISCOLL
MAYOR
BOARD OF HEALTH MEETING NOTICE AND AGENDA
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MEETING AGENDA
1. Call to Order
2. Approval of Minutes:
a. Board of Health Meeting, July 7, 2021
3. Discussion and Updates on COVID-19, including recent increases in cases, the Delta
Variant and possible mitigation strategies.
4. Chairperson Communications
5. Public Health Announcements/Reports/Updates
a. Public Health Nurse Report
b. Health Agent Report
c. Administrative Report
d. Council Liaison Updates
6. New Business/Scheduling of Future Agenda Items
Items that could not be anticipated prior to the posting of the agenda
David Greenbaum, Health Agent
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