City Council
Regular MeetingSaratoga Springs, NY · November 13, 2017
Minutes
November 13, 2017
CITY OF SARATOGA SPRINGS
City Council Meeting
City Council Room
12:00 PM
12:00 PM
CALL TO ORDER
ROLL CALL
SALUTE TO FLAG
PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD / 15 MINUTES
CONSENT AGENDA
1. Nothing at this time.
MAYOR’S DEPARTMENT
1. Nothing at this time.
ACCOUNTS DEPARTMENT
1. Discussion and Vote: Authorization for the Mayor to Sign Agreement with Fitzgerald Morris Baker and
Firth
FINANCE DEPARTMENT
1. Nothing at this time.
PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT
1. Nothing at this time.
PUBLIC SAFETY DEPARTMENT
1. Nothing at this time.
SUPERVISORS
1. Nothing at this time.
ADJOURN
City Council Meeting
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November 13, 2017
CITY OF SARATOGA SPRINGS
City Council Meeting
City Council Room
12:00 PM
PRESENT: Michele Madigan, Commissioner of Finance
John Franck, Commissioner of Accounts
Anthony Scirocco, Commissioner of DPW
STAFF PRESENT: Meg Kelly, Deputy Mayor (arrived 7:09 p.m.)
Mike Sharp, Deputy Commissioner, Finance
Maire Masterson, Deputy Commissioner, Accounts
Vincent DeLeonardis
ABSENT: Joanne Yepsen, Mayor
Christian Mathiesen, Commissioner of DPS
EXCUSED: Franck Coppola, Jr., Deputy Commissioner, DPW
Eileen Finneran, Deputy Commissioner, DPS
Matthew Veitch, Supervisor
Peter Martin, Supervisor
RECORDING OF PROCEEDING
The proceedings of this meeting were taped for the benefit of the secretary. Because the minutes are not a
verbatim record of the proceedings, the minutes are not a word-for-word transcript.
CALL TO ORDER
Commissioner Madigan called the meeting to order at 12:03 p.m.
PUBLIC COMENT
Commissioner Madigan said the public comment period is limited to a total of 15 minutes and
individuals are limited to two minutes.
Commissioner Madigan opened the public comment period at 12:04 p.m.
Otis Maxwell of Saratoga Springs stated he objects to hiring a private attorney when we have 2 city
attorneys.
Susan Steer of Saratoga Springs stated she heard conflicting information regarding which attorney is being
hired by the City. Her husband, Bob Turner, was chair of the Charter Commission. She comes to ask they
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not hire an attorney with City funds, especially one that does not have experience in election law and if it is
Mr. Aspland, one that is under an ethics violation.
Phil Diamond of Saratoga Springs stated the best reason for change of government is the 3 clowns sitting
at the table. The attorney they are hiring and the commissioners have no standing in this issue.
Suzanne Kwasniewski of Saratoga Springs stated it was said to her that only fair way for the City to fund
an attorney for this is to fund 2 attorneys; one for each side.
Dillon Moran of Saratoga Springs stated he voted by absentee ballot. He is counting on the County Board
of Elections. The poor treatment of the Commission saddens him.
Dave Bronner of Saratoga Springs strongly urged the Council not to do this. This is a waste of tax payer
money. Two members of the Council are grasping at straws trying to reverse the inevitable. The
responsibility of determining validity of ballots is in the hands of the Board of Elections not some lawyer
from Glens Falls at taxpayer money.
John Boardman of Saratoga Springs asked the commissioners how they chose the attorney and what their
qualifications are.
Bob Turner, former chair of the Charter Commission and resident of Saratoga Springs stated It’s Time
Saratoga will not be hiring an attorney for the absentee ballot opening. Using taxpayer money to hire an
election attorney violates New York State Constitutional Act Part 8. He trusts the County Board of
Elections to do its job and doesn’t know why they don’t trust them to do the count.
Dean Higgins of 15 Saratoga Circle stated it surprises him that now an attorney is being hired when they
should have had one from the beginning to advise them.
Commissioner Madigan closed the public comment period at 12:17 p.m.
ACCOUNTS DEPARTMENT
Discussion and Vote: Authorization for the Mayor to Sign Agreement with Fitzgerald Morris Baker and
Firth (17-361)
Commissioner Franck moved and Commissioner Scirocco seconded to authorize the mayor to sign
agreement with Fitzgerald Morris Baker and Firth at $300 per hour for a principal attorney and $225
per hour for an associate attorney; not to exceed $5,000.
Commissioner Franck advised he received a call the day after the election from Wendy Liberatore of the
Times Union stating Gordon Boyd made accusations the he as the city clerk told poll workers to not tell
voters to turn over their ballots. That is false; he did not go to any election districts other than his own to
vote. She also said he purposely did not adequately train the poll workers; he does not train poll workers,
they are trained by the County. He also learned that day that Mayor Yepsen, Tony Izzo, Gordon Boyd, and
Bob Turner met with Bill Frucci of the Board of Elections. Bob Turner’s first question was what does John
Franck have to do with this and he was told he has nothing or than complaints and nothing to do with the
ballot or votes. Questions were also asked about recounts and impounding the machines and an attorney
was brought up. He has to protect his position here as he nothing to do with the vote and he has no
standing to throw anything out; but attorneys were discussed by Bob Turner. He would love to use the City
attorneys but can’t because they can’t serve 2 masters – the worked with the Charter Commission and the
City Council. He is not looking for an attorney to change a vote or throw anything out; he just wants all the
votes counted. He won’t appear there because he would be accused of giving secret signals to push a
ballot to the side or something else. In 2012 he was sued as City Clerk by Saratoga Citizen, Inc. and we
have legal back up for that by Brown and Weinraub. He received a quote from them in addition to
Fitzgerald Morris and Town Ryan. We needed someone that could report back to the City Council how the
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vote went and what attorneys were there trying to have votes stopped; he doesn’t want votes stopped he
wants them all counted. Brown and Weinraub did not meet our insurance requirements so we went with
the next quote. Their job is to observe and report back to the entire Council and our city attorneys. It’s
Time Saratoga has been begging for money on Facebook over the past week so they could potentially go
through the absentee ballot before he even mentioned an attorney. He had to use City money because he
can’t use the City attorneys. He feels bad that the people that came forward were provided false
information. It is just not true. If no lawyers show up tomorrow this will be simple; if there are attorneys
they can tell us which attorneys objected to ballots and how many. Notice was out about the meeting
properly as Lisa Shields, the mayor’s assistant sent an e-mail out to everyone advising of the special
meeting and to get her any additional items that need to be on the agenda.
Commissioner Madigan stated she will be supporting hiring Fitzgerald Morris as an observer; they are not
to contest ballots. She has taken numerous pictures from Facebook where people should make donations
so they can wage a fair fight. She can see this from Gordon Boyd, Pat Kane, and Otis Maxwell. Talk
about using taxpayer funds, the assistant city attorney showed up with the mayor, Gordon Boyd and Bob
Turner the morning after the elections to the Board of Elections. She heard conversations of impounding
election machines and Commissioner Franck didn’t educate poll watchers properly. These are serious
allegations. Their goal is to see all votes are counted and they are not there to contest. The city clerk
deserves to be protected. The assistant city attorney received a text from the mayor at 11 p.m. election
night. The talk of legal proceedings began with It’s Time Saratoga and the former Charter Commission,
not the City Council. She would like to see the City heal; 50% voted in favor and 50% voted against it.
Commissioner Scirocco stated he does not feel he will suffer in any way; they went through the budget
process and his budget looks good for 2018. They want to be sure both sides are covered. We can’t send
the city attorneys down there as they worked with the Charter Commission, not SUCCESS. He is going to
support this.
Tony Izzo, assistant city attorney, stated he does not recall the exact language of the text but there were
no derogatory statements against and Council member or person.
Commissioner Madigan stated she did not infer any derogatory statements made just she knew Tony was
contacted late election night to go to the County.
Ayes - All
ADJOURNMENT
There being no further business, Commissioner Madigan adjourned the meeting at 12:42 p.m.
Respectfully submitted,
Lisa Ribis
Clerk
Approved: 11/21/17
Vote: 5 - 0
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Agenda
CITY OF SARATOGA SPRINGS
City Council Meeting
November 13, 2017 City Council Room
Print
12:00 PM
CALL TO ORDER
ROLL CALL
SALUTE TO FLAG
PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD / 15 MINUTES
PRESENTATION(S):
EXECUTIVE SESSION:
CONSENT AGENDA
MAYOR’S DEPARTMENT
ACCOUNTS DEPARTMENT
1. Discussion and Vote: Authorization for Mayor to Sign Agreement with Fitzgerald Morris Baker and Firth
FINANCE DEPARTMENT
PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT
PUBLIC SAFETY DEPARTMENT
SUPERVISORS
ADJOURN
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