Public Health & Safety Committee
Regular MeetingTumwater, WA · October 10, 2023
Minutes
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CONVENE: 8:00 a.m.
PRESENT: Chair Leatta Dahlhoff and Councilmembers Peter Agabi and Angela
Jefferson.
Staff: City Administrator Lisa Parks, City Attorney Karen Kirkpatrick,
Finance Director Troy Niemeyer, Fire Chief Brian Hurley, Police Chief
Jon Weiks, Assistant Fire Chief Shawn Crimmins, Communications
Manager Ann Cook, and Police Administrative Supervisor Laura Wohl.
CHANGES TO There were no changes to the agenda.
AGENDA:
APPROVAL OF
MINUTES: PUBLIC
HEALTH & SAFETY
COMMITTEE,
SEPTEMBER 12,
2023:
MOTION: Councilmember Jefferson moved, seconded by Chair Dahlhoff, to
approve the minutes of September 12, 2023 as presented. A voice vote
approved the motion.
INTERLOCAL Fire Chief Hurley briefed members on a proposed interlocal agreement
AGREEMENT WITH with Pierce College to enable the Tumwater Fire Department to participate
PIERCE COLLEGE in the paramedic training program offered by Pierce College.
FOR PARAMEDIC
TRAINING: Through a contract with Thurston County Medic One, the fire department
has 19 paramedic firefighters assigned to the Tumwater Fire Department
supported by Thurston County Medic One. The fire department has two
medic units with one located in the City and one unit as part of the Medic
One system in the Rochester area. Both units are mobile emergency
critical care units providing advanced life support care.
The certifying body for paramedic certification is the National Registry of
Emergency Medical Technicians. Following receipt of the certification,
individuals can apply to be certified in Washington through the
Department of Health under the medical license of a physician medical
program director. For Thurston County, the county medical program
director oversees all medics and emergency medical technicians (EMTs).
Training consists of 1,800 hours on various medical topics. The training
format is a combination of lectures, skills labs, hand-on training,
internships in hospitals, emergency rooms, and in operating rooms
working with anesthesiologists, OB-GYN rotations, mental health, and
other hospital service rotations. For field hands-on training, training is
offered by the Tumwater Fire Department through the field internship
training program for interns and students who work 24-hour shifts
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supervised by fire department paramedics to afford real hands-on skills and
patient assessment opportunities to provide the environment for critical
thinking and decision-making.
The Tumwater Fire Department currently has agreements with Tacoma
Community College and Central Washington University. The pierce
College program is a new program and is similar to the agreement with
Tacoma Community College. All agencies continue to struggle hiring
paramedics. Support by the fire department is valuable to support the
program.
Staff recommends the committee forward approval of the proposed
interlocal agreement to the Council for consideration at its next meeting.
Chair Dahlhoff asked whether firefighters in the department have an option
to participate in paramedic training. Fire Chief Hurley said the department
currently has one firefighter enrolled in paramedic training as part of an
education assignment in partnership with Medic One to assist in covering
some of the backfill costs. Other firefighters have participated in the
training as well. Other fire jurisdictions have also taken advantage of the
program.
MOTION: Councilmember Jefferson moved, seconded by Chair Dahlhoff, to
recommend the Council approve the Interlocal Agreement with Pierce
College for Paramedic Training at its next meeting. A voice vote
approved the motion.
PUBLIC DEFENSE Director Niemeyer introduced Patrick O’Connor, Director, Thurston
UPDATE: County Public Defense, to provide the update.
Mr. O’Connor said Thurston County Public Defense provides indigent
defense representation services for the City of Tumwater to individuals
arrested and charged with a crime. If eligible for a public defender,
individuals are assigned an attorney through the office. The office has
assigned one full-time public defender and one full-time legal assistant to
Tumwater cases based on the number of filings.
This year, when new laws become effective in August for the possession
of controlled substances, the office anticipated those cases would be
referred to Thurston County District Court. The City of Tumwater works
with Thurston County courts to receive court services. All City of
Tumwater defendants are eligible and are provided with the same
opportunities as other Thurston County defendants accused of possession
of a controlled substance.
Thurston County Public Defense also works with the Law Enforcement
Assisted Diversion Program (LEAD) to identify individuals for referral to
the LEAD team to engage with defendant to ascertain interest in
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participating in the program with the endorsement of the Thurston County
Prosecuting Attorney’s Office.
Year-to-date statistics reflect 188 Tumwater cases. Of those cases, 31
cases were misdemeanor offenses, 231 cases were gross misdemeanor
offenses, and 85 cases were traffic offenses (DUI) representing 247
charges for individuals from Tumwater. Individuals can also be charged
with more than one offense.
Mr. O’Connor shared that the City benefits from direct relationship of the
office to the resource hub located on the Thurston County Courthouse
campus. The resource hub is staffed with community providers available
during the week to provide connections to behavioral health resources and
other underlying issues associated with poverty many individuals are
encountering. Thurston County Public Defense refers the highest number
of clients to the resource hub, which benefits both the City and Thurston
County by providing some stability to individuals involved in the justice
system to prevent recidivism and future contacts with law enforcement.
The City also benefits from services provided by a social worker assigned
to Thurston County Public Defense with all City clients eligible for referral
to the social worker for connections for behavioral health issues.
Councilmember Agabi joined the meeting at 8:15 a.m.
Councilmember Jefferson commented that she often hears from various
sources that legislators are not taking crime seriously because of the
number of people arrested who often after a release commit other similar
crimes. During the last meeting of the Thurston County Law and Justice
Council, members discussed the cause of increase in crime. Thurston
County judges are utilizing a new risk tool to inform bail decisions. She
asked how the new tool will make a difference to Thurston County Public
Defense and to the community in general.
Mr. O’Connor responded that the Thurston County Law and Justice
partners applied for a grant from a national organization to examine pre-
trial processes. That work had been completed for a number of years
across the country. Thurston County was selected along with Pierce
County to participate in the project. The project encompasses examining
all practices in a pre-trial jurisdiction beginning with arrest, diversions, and
bail practices. The mission and goals are to enhance public safety in the
context of bail practices, enhance public safety, maximize release, and
maximize court appearances. A component of the project is emphasis on
data-driven and analytical processes to produce better information for the
courts to determine risk-based decisions as opposed to charge-based
decisions. Recently launched is a static risk tool designed specifically for
Thurston County through the assistance of a group as part of the project
sponsor known as the Research Triangle Group, a group of experts on data
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collection and analytics of bail data throughout the country. The group
completed a case study in Thurston County by reviewing data of 10,000
cases to inform the risk tool developed specific to Thurston County. Prior
to the county’s investment in the project, the county lacked data and was
unable to inform the community and stakeholders of the rates of releases,
bail amounts, average number of court appearances missed by individuals,
and the number of individuals committing new crimes. The county is
moving forward with the analytical tool with all users becoming familiar
with the new tool. He noted the difficulty of conveying information to the
community on bail rules, laws, and actions required by judges when
applying the laws. The tool represents best practices as reflected
nationally.
The cash bail system in the state does not necessarily increase court
appearances or deter individuals from committing new crimes. However,
there are cases where the court must undertake a systematic legal analysis
as all suspects are presumed to be innocent despite some very serious
crimes. Cases do occur where cash bails are imposed. The goal is to
ensure there are not two systems of justice for those with financial
resources and for those without financial resources. The tool is designed
to assist in making decisions about which individuals could be released
until the case is adjudicated without the threat of the individual committing
another crime.
Councilmember Agabi asked whether specific cases are selected to
determine effectiveness of the tool or whether the examination is a general
overview of the effectiveness. Mr. O’Connor said the project includes
identification of both violent and non-violent offenses based on
Washington law and input from stakeholders. Arrests typically fit into the
two categories of either a violent offense or a non-violent offense. Assault
and domestic violence arrests are considered a violent offense for the
purpose of the project. The issue is further complicated because
Washington State law dictates that anyone accused of a crime is presumed
to be innocent and that the individual should be released without financial
conditions unless the individual poses a likelihood of committing a violent
offense, likely to not appear if released, or is likely to interfere with the
administration of justice. The law also requires that any financial bail
imposed by the court affords the ability for the individual to post the
financial bail based on the financial information available to the court.
Additionally, the issue is further complicated should the court deem that
the individual poses a likelihood of committing a violent offense requiring
the judge to impose a financial condition based on the legal requirement
that the defendant can afford the bail.
Councilmember Agabi asked how repeat offenders are classified. Mr.
O’Connor said if the individual has prior criminal convictions and arrested
on a new charge, the court considers the criminal history. The risk tool
factors prior criminal history and the type of crimes.
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Chair Dahlhoff cited a recent scenario of an individual released on bail on
a charge of vandalism of a business in Tumwater and committing another
similar offense after being released. She asked whether that information is
factored within the risk tool. Mr. O’Connor responded that the tool is
based on weights. If an individual is arrested on the initial allegation and
re-arrested while the first case is pending, the individual will be weighted
at a higher risk because of the pending case and new arrest of another
crime. Additionally, the type of offense either violent or non-violent is
also factored. If both cases are considered as non-violent property
offenses, the violation of the release conditions will be higher because of
the pending case.
Chair Dahlhoff asked how individuals qualify as indigent. Mr. O’Connor
said a standard form issued by the court is filled out by all arrested
individuals. The information completed is under the penalty of perjury.
The court determines whether the individual is indigent based on the
information and the standards used to determine whether an individual is
indigent.
Chair Dahlhoff asked whether the office tracks the percentage of cases
claiming indigent status. Mr. O’Connor confirmed it would be possible to
obtain the information as the court tracks the number of criminal cases
from Tumwater and Thurston County Public Defense, as well as the
number of assignments. Approximately 80% of cases in Thurston County
District Court qualify for public defense.
Chair Dahlhoff commented on the importance of services provided by
Tumwater and access to those services. The information represents a good
opportunity to review data to determine the extent of the City’s services to
the community. Mr. O’Connor agreed on the importance of continuing
conversations on opportunities available to the community.
Chair Dahlhoff thanked Mr. O’Connor for providing the update.
ADDITIONAL Chair Dahlhoff reviewed agenda topics for the November meeting and
ITEMS: potential topics for the December meeting.
ADJOURNMENT: With there being no further business, Chair Dahlhoff adjourned the
meeting at 8:44 a.m.
Prepared by Valerie L. Gow, Recording Secretary/President
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Agenda
PUBLIC HEALTH & SAFETY COMMITTEE
MEETING AGENDA
Online via Zoom and In Person at
Tumwater City Hall, Council Conference
Room, 555 Israel Rd. SW, Tumwater, WA
98501
Tuesday, October 10, 2023
8:00 AM
1. Call to Order
2. Roll Call
3. Approval of Minutes: Public Health & Safety Committee, September 12, 2023
4. Interlocal Agreement with Pierce College for Paramedic Training (Brian Hurley)
5. Public Defense Update (Troy Niemeyer & Patrick O'Connor, Director of Thurston County Public
Defense Administration)
6. Additional Items
7. Adjourn
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