Board of Architectural Review
Regular MeetingVienna, VA · December 17, 2020
Minutes
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Meeting Minutes
Board of Architectural Review
Thursday, December 17, 2020 7:30 PM COUNCIL CHAMBERS-VIENNA TOWN
HALL
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Board of Architectural Review - Resolution Continuity of Government
The Board of Architectural Review met in regular session at 7:30 PM on Thursday,
December 17, 2020 in the Vienna Town Hall at 127 Center St S. and Via Zoom Webinar to
discuss six agenda items. Chairman Roy Baldwin, Vice-Chair Michael Cheselka, Patty
Hanley, Paul Layer, and Linda van Doorn were present participating via Zoom. Planner
Andrea West and Principal Planner Kelly O’Brien also participated via Zoom, and Board
Clerk Sharmaine Abaied was present in Town Hall.
Resolution for Continuity of Government:
Roll call vote: 5-0
Ayes: Ms. van Doorn, Mr. Layer, Mr. Baldwin, Mr. Cheselka, and Ms. Hanley
Roll Call
Roll Call: Ms. van Doorn, Mr. Layer, Mr. Baldwin, Mr. Cheselka, and Ms. Hanley were
present,
Approval of Minutes
Mr. Baldwin asked for corrections, there were none. The clerk stated there was a need for
clarification for the application at 100 East St, stating that if the trees on the town
approved list were not beneficial for the property owner, would he be required to install,
and Ms. West had stated he would just need to come to the Board for a revision. The
minutes for the November 2020 BAR meeting, were accepted with the clarification.
Old Business
235 Maple Ave W - Bank of America - Signs
Request for approval of replacement wall signs and freestanding signs for Bank of
America located at 235 Maple Avenue W, Docket No. PF-44-20-BAR, in the C-1A Special
Commercial zoning district; filed by Talley Sign Company.
Ms. West stated majority of the application was approved at the last meeting and the
freestanding monument sign was the only thing before the Board.
Mr. Matt Gallienne was present to represent the application. Mr. Gallienne stated the
originally proposed sign was a concern because of the width. The overall width of sign was
reduced to accommodate those concerns
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Mr. Baldwin asked if the sign was the same design, Mr. Gallienne stated that was correct.
Mr. Cheselka asked if any of the illumination would change. Mr. Gallienne stated it was
changed a small amount and stated it would be 12,320 lumens for the letters to be lit only,
and not the entire box sign. Mr. Cheselka stated his concern and asked for Ms. West’s
assistance. Ms. West explained the lumen calculation they had used in the past stating it
would normally be approximately 100 lumen per module, with the filter of applied vinyl.
Ms. West asked if the 12.320 was all the modules added together, Mr. Gallienne stated
that was correct.
Mr. Baldwin inquired if the sign was for Bank of Americas new branding, Mr. Gallienne
stated that was correct.
Motion to approve the monument sign: Mr. Cheselka
Second: Mr. Layer
Approved: 5-0
Ayes: Ms. van Doorn, Mr. Layer, Mr. Baldwin, Mr. Chesleka, and Ms. Hanley
120 Cherry St SW - VPAC - Mural
Request for approval of a mural on the Caffi Field softball shed, located at 120 Cherry
Street SE, Docket No. PF-45-20-BAR, in the PR Park and Recreational zoning district,
filed by Michael Cheselka, VPAC member.
Ms. Midge Biles was present to represent the application. She explained there are only six
paint colors, but will mix some of the paint colors to create the colors in the mural.
Ms. Hanley asked if it was town property, Ms. Biles said yes, but the Vienna softball girl
league shed. The league gave permission and is paying for the paint. Ms. Hanley asked
who was in charge of painting the Mural. Ms. Bile stated the senior VPAC representative
from James Madison would be the lead and had also designed the mural.
Mr. Layer asked about the placement of the mural on the shed. Ms. Biles stated it was a
small shed and would be on the entire back of the shed. Mr. Layer asked if it would be
centered and Ms. Biles stated that was correct. Mr. Layer asked how tall the mural would
be, Ms. Biles stated the wings were seven feet and it would be centered. Mr. Cheselka
explained the design and dimensions of the mural as well.
Mr. Baldwin asked if the paint chosen was for long lasting for that type of surface. Ms.
Biles stated that Vienna Paint had advised her and the paint chosen was their
recommendation. Mr. Cheselka explained the paint was top of the line paint specified for
exterior.
Motion to approve the mural with eh provision that it be centered on the wall and
approximately 7 ft. 8 in. tall: Ms. van Doorn
Second: Mr. Layer
Approved: 5-0
Ayes: Ms. van Doorn, Mr. Layer, Mr. Baldwin, Mr. Cheselka, and Ms. Hanley
New Business
308 Maple Ave E - TD Bank - Signs
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Request for approval of new signage for TD Bank located at 308 Maple Avenue E, Docket
No. 56-20-BAR, in the C-2 General Commercial zoning district; filed by Dechiele
Huntsberry of SMI Sign Systems, Inc., sign agent.
Mr. William Kessinger was present to represent the application. Mr. Kessinger stated
they were rebranding, and updating the acrylic.
Mr. Layer asked if the signs being replaced were the existing signs and a few additional
wayfaring signs. Mr. Kessinger stated that was correct and updating the branding. Mr.
Layer asked if there were changes in sizes. Mr. Kessinger stated the only noticeable
difference would be the ground directional as the existing signs are illuminated, and the
proposed signs are not illuminated.
Mr. Cheselka stated he didn’t think all the signs were necessary. Mr. Gallienne stated he
didn’t get to make the calls regarding how many signs as TD wanted to replace the
existing with the proposed signs, but felt if the Board would like some of the signs
eliminated that TD bank may comply with the request.
Ms. Hanley agreed with Mr. Cheselka and gave Navy FCU as an example of what she felt
was done better.
Mr. Baldwin inquired about the reason for the signs for all the parking spaces. Mr.
Gallienne stated some of his previous clients have had the parking signs to keep people
who are not patrons from parking in those spots.
Ms. Hanley stated that if the parking signs were to potentially tow non-patrons that they
would need to indicate where the towed vehicles could be found.
Ms. West stated the parking signs fall under the review as they are under the 1 ½ square
feet.
Mr. Cheselka stated he thought the parking signs were an issue as he felt there were too
many.
Mr. Baldwin asked about the monument sign as it no longer stated open seven days a week.
He then asked if the bank would continue staying open for seven days. Mr. Gallienne
stated he didn’t believe the bank would continue to stay open for seven days a week.
Motion to approve: Ms. van Doorn
Second: Mr. Layer
Approved: 4-1
Ayes: Ms. van Doorn, Mr. Layer, Mr. Baldwin, and Ms. Hanley
Nay: Mr. Cheselka
415 Windover Ave NW - Green Hedges - Fence
Request for approval of a fence modification for the Green Hedges School located at 415
Windover Avenue NE, Docket No. PF-65-20-BAR, in the RS-12.5 SingleFamily Detached
Residential zoning district; filed by Tom Mast of Green Hedges School, Inc..
Mr. Tom Mast was present to represent the application. Mr. Mast stated the fence would
only be up until the last day of school in June. He stated it would be for the safety of the
preschool students, ages 3-5. The space was being utilized currently due to COVID, but
normally would not be used.
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Mr. Layer stated black may be less noticeable than green, but he would be fine if Mr. Mast
stayed with the green.
Ms. Hanley asked if the fence would be on town property or on the schools property. She
also wanted to ensure it was temporary. Ms. West explained that there was not means for a
temporary fence application other than going before the BAR as it was a non-single family
residential which would fall under the purview of the Board.
Mr. Layer inquired if the Board could review/vote on it as permanent and not as temporary.
Mr. Layer also stated that the temporary nature could be entered into the discussion or
condition the approval.
Mr. Cheselka asked if the Board was allowed to put a limit on the approval for June 2021.
Mr. Layer wasn’t sure a time limit could be put on the approval. Ms. West stated some of
the Boards criteria.
Ms. Hanley stated her concern again about the temporary fence as the Board needs to
ensure what they review will withstand time especially where the fence would meet the
ground. Mr. Mast stated they would just attach the temporary fence to the wood split rail
fence and not affix it to the ground, keeping it level with the highest rail (at four feet). Ms.
Hanley asked how far apart the fence posts were, and Mr. Mast stated they were eight feet
with twelve sections. She asked if there were reinforcements to give it strength and Mr.
Mast stated no.
Ms. van Doorn asked if fencing was a special provision for construction. Ms. West stated
things under construction fencing had different regulations. Ms. van Doorn inquired
about the purview of the BAR regarding fencing. Ms. West stated structures and fences
on properties that are not single family residences do go before the Board of Architectural
Review. There was continued discussion regarding fences permanent versus temporary.
Mr. Baldwin stated that in the motion they may need to add language to state when the
fence would be removed..
Motion to approve with the provision that the temporary fence be removed by the end of July
2021: Ms van Doorn
Second: Ms. Hanley
Approved: 5-0
Ayes: Ms. van Doorn, Mr. Layer, Mr. Baldwin, Mr. Cheselka, and Ms. Hanley
435 Maple Ave W - Hawk & Griffin - Exterior Modification and Sign
Request for approval of exterior modifications and signs for Hawk & Griffin Public House,
located at 435 Maple Avenue W, Docket No. PF-69-20-BAR, in the C-1 Local Commercial
zoning district; filed by Thomas Kyllo of Vienna Pubs LLC.
Mr. Tom Kyllo was present to represent the application. Mr. Kyllo stated they would be
putting a British Pub in the location of the old Joe’s Pizza. It would have the iconic British
façade. Mr. Kyllo showed the Board his video presentation of the proposed changes to the
façade, outdoor seating, and signage per his application.
Mr. Cheselka asked about the suspending lighting in the outdoor seating. Mr. Kyllo
stated it would be typical patio string lights with small 1” diameter bulbs. He also asked
about the material of the street sign. Mr. Kyllo stated it was a metal panel with a wood
frame. Ms. Hanley also asked about the live entertainment area. Ms. Hanley asked about
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the flags, is Ms. West stated it was part of the aesthetic exterior modification, and they
were on the renderings provided. Ms. Hanley stated she wanted to make sure they were
part of the motion. She then asked how high the posts were for the lighting. Mr. Kyllo
stated they would be maximum eight feet.
Ms. Hanley asked if the string light power would go through the posts to possible allow
them to be dimmed or put on a timer. Mr. Kyllo stated there would be switched outlets in
two different areas allowing them to be switched on and off and could make them dimmable.
Ms. Hanley asked about the gas meter. Mr. Kyllo stated it would be boxed in.
Ms. van Doorn asked about the lumens in the goose neck lighting as the packet and
illustration differed. Mr. Kyllo said the goose neck lights would have 100 watt bulbs and
the goose neck lights would not be on the side. Ms. van Doorn asked how he came to the
total of 3200 lumens for the lights. Mr. Kyllo stated the calculation was incorrect and it
would be 6000 lumens for the total lighting for the goose neck lights.
Mr. Layer inquired about the lights as well in regards to the hanging lights. The Board
also advises no higher than 3000 kelvins. Mr. Layer asked about the size of the tile on the
concrete asked if it would be jointed, Mr. Kyllo said yes. There was continued discussion
regarding concrete tiles. Mr. Layer asked if there was an irrigation system for the plants,
Mr. Kyllo stated that had not been designed in. Mr. Layer asked if the plant species
indigenous. Mr. Kyllo stated the plants were selected for their shade properties that
provided foliage year round, continuing discussion regarding the plantings.
Mr. Baldwin inquired about the second floor windows, Mr. Kyllo stated they would not be
doing anything as they will not have access to the second floor. He also asked if Mr. Kyllo
would consider putting bollards or protection at the side door for patrons. Mr. Kyllo stated
they could and that it would be an exit only door. Mr. Baldwin asked if Mr. Kyllo felt a need
at the front as well and he stated there would be no need as the concrete would be pulled out
acting as a buffer. Mr. Baldwin thought the freestanding sign may get lost and asked if
Mr. Kyllo was happy with the proposed dimensions. Mr. Kyllo stated they wanted to keep a
human scale as well as keeping with a traditional British Pub.
Motion to approve with additional bollards at the 2nd exit into the parking lot and to clarify
the flags used in the branding for the pub are included in the application.: Ms. Hanley
Second: Mr. Cheselka
Approved: 5-0
Ayes: Ms. van Doorn, Mr. Layer, Mr. Baldwin, Mr. Cheselka, and Ms. Hanley
Ms. Hanley inquired about the Boards input on the code re-write. Ms. O’Brien spoke
briefly with the Board regarding the Town’s current code re-write, COde Create. Ms.
West showed the Board the interactive website (https://www.codecreatevienna.com/) that
residents can utilize to see the status, ask questions, watch videos, and more. There was
additional discussion regarding where the town was at with the code re-write.
Meeting Adjournment
Motion to adjourn: Mr. Cheselka
Second: Ms. van Doorn
Approved: 5-0
Ayes: Ms. van Doorn, Mr. Layer, Mr. Baldwin, Mr. Cheselka, and Ms. Hanley
The meeting adjourned at 9:14 pm.
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Respectfully submitted,
Sharmaine Abaied
Board Clerk
THE TOWN OF VIENNA IS COMMITTED TO FULL COMPLIANCE WITH THE AMERICANS WITH DISABILITIES ACT
STANDARDS. TRANSLATION SERVICES, ASSISTANCE OR ACCOMMODATION REQUESTS FROM PERSONS WITH DISABILITIES
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Agenda
Town of Vienna 127 Center Street South
Vienna, Virginia 22180
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Meeting Agenda
Board of Architectural Review
Thursday, December 17, 2020 7:30 PM COUNCIL CHAMBERS-VIENNA TOWN HALL
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BAR20-206 Board of Architectural Review - Resolution Continuity of Government
Attachments: BAR - Resolution -Continuity of Government December 17, 2020
Roll Call
Approval of Minutes
Old Business
BAR20-201 235 Maple Ave W - Bank of America - Signs
Attachments: 01 - sr_PF-44-20-BAR_Bank of America_235 Maple Ave W_signs_Dec 2020
02 - Application_PF-44-20-BAR_Bank of America_235 Maple Ave W_signs_Dec 2020
03 - Monument Sign 001_PF-44-20-BAR_Bank of America_235 Maple Ave W_signs_Dec 2020
04 - Monument Sign 002_PF-44-20-BAR_Bank of America_235 Maple Ave W_signs_Dec 2020
05 - Sign package_PF-44-20-BAR_Bank of America_235 Maple Ave W_signs
06 - Site Plan_PF-44-20-BAR_Bank of America_235 Maple Ave W_signs
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BAR20-202 120 Cherry St SW - VPAC - Mural
Attachments: 01 - sr_PF-45-20-BAR_VPAC Mural_120 Cherry St SE_Dec 2020
02 - Application_PF-45-20-BAR_VPAC Mural_120 Cherry St SE_Dec 2020
03 - A001 Shed artwork_PF-45-20-BAR_VPAC Mural_120 Cherry St SE_Dec 2020
04 - A002 Caffi Field shed_PF-45-20-BAR_VPAC Mural_120 Cherry St SE_Dec 2020
05 - A003 Arial view of shed_PF-45-20-BAR_VPAC Mural_120 Cherry St SE_Dec 2020
06 - A004 another aeriel view of shed_PF-45-20-BAR_VPAC Mural_120 Cherry St SE_Dec 20
07 - A005 paint can_PF-45-20-BAR_VPAC Mural_120 Cherry St SE_Dec 2020
08 - A006 paint color swatches_PF-45-20-BAR_VPAC Mural_120 Cherry St SE_Dec 2020
09 - A007 site map of shed_PF-45-20-BAR_VPAC Mural_120 Cherry St SE_Dec 2020
09 - A008 color key_PF-45-20-BAR_VPAC Mural_120 Cherry St SE_Dec 2020
10 - A009 Color chart explanation_PF-45-20-BAR_VPAC Mural_120 Cherry St SE_Dec 2020
11 - A010 numbered color chart_PF-45-20-BAR_VPAC Mural_120 Cherry St SE_Dec 2020
New Business
BAR20-203 308 Maple Ave E - TD Bank - Signs
Attachments: 01 - sr_PF-56-20-BAR_TD Bank_308 Maple Ave E
02 - Application_PF-56-20-BAR_TD Bank_308 Maple Ave E
03 - TD Bank Vienna Drawings 11-13-20 Pg1_PF-56-20-BAR_TD Bank_308 Maple Ave E
04 - TD Bank Vienna Drawings 11-13-20 Pg2_PF-56-20-BAR_TD Bank_308 Maple Ave E
05 - TD Bank Vienna Drawings 11-13-20 Pg3_PF-56-20-BAR_TD Bank_308 Maple Ave E
06 - TD Bank Vienna Drawings 11-13-20 Pg4_PF-56-20-BAR_TD Bank_308 Maple Ave E
07 - TD Bank Vienna Drawings 11-13-20 Pg5_PF-56-20-BAR_TD Bank_308 Maple Ave E
08 - TD Bank Vienna Drawings 11-13-20 Pg6_PF-56-20-BAR_TD Bank_308 Maple Ave E
09 -TD Bank Vienna Drawings 11-13-20 Pg7_PF-56-20-BAR_TD Bank_308 Maple Ave E
10 - TD Bank Vienna Drawings 11-13-20 Pg8_PF-56-20-BAR_TD Bank_308 Maple Ave E
11 - TD Bank Vienna Drawings 11-13-20 Pg9_PF-56-20-BAR_TD Bank_308 Maple Ave E
12 - TD Bank Vienna Drawings 11-13-20 Pg10_PF-56-20-BAR_TD Bank_308 Maple Ave E
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BAR20-204 415 Windover Ave NW - Green Hedges - Fence
Attachments: 01 - sr_PF-65-20-BAR_ Green Hedges School_415 Windover Ave NE_Dec 2020
02 - Plan Review Application
03 - 001_Coversheet 415 Windover
04 - Plat w Marking 415 Windover Avenue, NW
05 - Material 415 Windover Avenue, NW
06 - Closeup fence WO mesh 415 Windover, NW
07 -Closeup fence W mesh 415 Windover, NW
08 -Fence WO mesh from street 415 Windover, NW
09 -Fence W mesh from street 415 Windover, NW
BAR20-205 435 Maple Ave W - Hawk & Griffin - Exterior Modification and Sign
Attachments: 01 - sr_PF-69-20-BAR_Hawk & Griffin Public House_435 Maple Ave W_Dec 2020
02 - Application_PF-69-20-BAR_Hawk & Griffin Public House_435 Maple Ave W_Dec 2020
03 - 001_ Cover Sheet_PF-69-20-BAR_Hawk & Griffin Public House_435 Maple Ave W_Dec 2020
04 - 002_Existing Conditions_PF-69-20-BAR_Hawk & Griffin Public House_435 Maple Ave W_Dec 2020
05 - 003_Layout Plan_PF-69-20-BAR_Hawk & Griffin Public House_435 Maple Ave W_Dec 2020
06 - 004_Landscape Plan & Architectural_PF-69-20-BAR_Hawk & Griffin Public House_435 Maple Ave W_Dec 2020
07 - 005_Proposed Architecture_PF-69-20-BAR_Hawk & Griffin Public House_435 Maple Ave W_Dec 2020
08 - Gooseneck Fixture_PF-69-20-BAR_Hawk & Griffin Public House_435 Maple Ave W_Dec 2020
09 - Sign Details 435 Maple Ave W
10 - Site plan and phots for signage 435 Maple Ave W
Meeting Adjournment
THE TOWN OF VIENNA IS COMMITTED TO FULL COMPLIANCE WITH THE AMERICANS WITH DISABILITIES ACT
STANDARDS. TRANSLATION SERVICES, ASSISTANCE OR ACCOMMODATION REQUESTS FROM PERSONS WITH
DISABILITIES ARE TO BE REQUESTED NOT LESS THAN 3 WORKING DAYS BEFORE THE DAY OF THE EVENT.
PLEASE CALL (703) 255-6304, OR 711 VIRGINIA RELAY SERVICE FOR THE HEARING IMPAIRED.
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