City Council - Regular Meetings
Regular MeetingWebster Groves, MO · October 17, 2023
Minutes
Exhibit A
Nakazono, Katie
From: Dave Buck <dave@buckstl.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2023 10:01 AM
To: Laura W. Arnold; Pam Bliss; Alexander, Karen; Richardson, Sarah; Emily Hixson Shepherd; David
Franklin; Emerson Smith; Peoples, Marie; Peterson, Eric; njbatty@aol.com; Nakazono, Katie; Starkey,
Jenny; Perry, Mara; Davis, Scott; Rehg, Todd; Curtis, Dale; Perks, Greg; Ellis, Brett; Bainter, Gary
Cc: Chris Redford; Carrie Falkenrath; Anne Barenkamp; Jeff Smith; Annie T; Lexie O'Brien; Paul Barrs;
ccoyne@stlcc.edu; mgbrad@aol.com; tracydowning4@gmail.com; info@thehubbicyclecompany.com;
Holland Saltsman; Shop Descendant; Pincus, Michael J.; fransudekum@aol.com; Rasool, Ahmar; Gerry
Welch; Kathy Hart; Toni Hunt; Sebastian Bellomo; Jeanne Kirkton; Bill Newhouse; john
ahearnstudio.com; mgbrad@aol.com; Janice Seele; j.donaldson@webster-arts.org; heather@webster-
arts.org; Pmurphystl; Jahna Kahrhoff; bkmacahoon@charter.net; sanders@hpdcambridge.com;
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Subject: Dave Buck "Remarks from the Community & Visitors" at the 10/17/23 Webster Groves City Council
Meeting
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Note: My remarks last night were delivered without notes, so the
following may be a friendly embellishment of my comments!
“I am all for processes, procedures and policies in city government, but
tonight I would like to share a story of something ul mately more
important: personal character, kindness, empathy and trust.
Every year since 2009, I have filled out and submi ed a “Special Ac vi es
Permit” applica on to the city for our annual “Webster On Wheels”
community bike riding event, given that our Police Department needs to
sign‐off on our bike route and we request two Police Officers to a end
the event and help us out. This permit rou nely takes 2‐3 weeks to be
circulated to the various city departments and gain the city’s final
approval.
On Sunday, October 1, of this year, we held Webster’s 4th annual
“Porchfest”, the walkable live music event, in the South Webster
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Neighborhood. For this event, I have never had to submit a Special
Ac vi es Permit applica on because Porchfest is not a city‐sponsored or
funded event, so we ask for no city involvement as we put it on
ourselves.
Porchfest was all set and ready to go. But on the Friday morning before,
Mike Albers, a long‐ me Parks & recrea on employee and a Porchfest
host family on Central Ave., texted me and said that if cars park on both
sides of Central, an emergency vehicle cannot get through. Mike said
that pos ng “No Parking Signs” all along the north side of Central Ave.
would solve the problem.
So, panicked, I immediately contacted Eric. Since we had no approved
Special Ac vi es Permit, I thought if I had to follow the current rules and
procedures, fill out and submit a Permit and go through the normal
procedure with normal meframes, there was no way to solve this
problem in me and Porchfest would have to be cancelled out of public
safety concerns.
But Eric simply listened, looked at me and said “I’ll take care of it.” Then
I said that I would pay for the No Parking Signs and the labor to put them
up. Whereupon Eric responded, “It’s already been taken care of by an
anonymous donor.” Eric must have immediately communicated with our
WG Police Captain, Greg Perks, and Director, Todd Rehg, of Public Works
because on Sunday morning, the No Parking Signs were all posted and
Porchfest went off without a hitch – which would not have happened
without Eric’s help.
Bo om‐line: Eric broke the rules. He did not follow procedure. He
made an excep on for the event and for me as a resident. He helped me
out of a big jam. Because what Eric demonstrated to me was something
much more important than strictly following a city procedure. His
decision and ac ons reflected his personal character, kindness,
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empathy and trust. I trust Eric a lot and I think he trusts me (even just a
li le!).
And as my mom always said when she served on City Council in my
hometown of Wichita, KS, “Communi es move forward at the speed of
TRUST. No trust, no progress. It’s that simple and that hard. Trust is
the founda on of everything. There is nothing more important in any
human rela onship or in governing a city.”
Thus, I publicly wish to thank Eric tonight. Thank YOU, Eric, for
everything!!!”
In addi on, please read on. Here is your very related Lucky Strike Extra
which I am sharing with you now:
I simply wish to respec ully but firmly request that another excep on
to a procedure and policy be made, this me by City Council, in order to
move swi ly to officially name the “Gerry Welch Sculpture Garden”
sooner rather than later. I understand that Council is wai ng for our
Parks & Recrea on Department to create and submit a new park naming
policy. But, let’s face it, Director, Sco Davis, and the Parks & Recrea on
Commission have much bigger fish to fry and have a ton on their plate
right now with Des na on WG and the Aqua c Center renova on.
To be perfectly honest, this is a no‐brainer to me and to many, many
other residents. It’s a lay‐down hand. For 24 years as Mayor, Gerry
worked relessly to advance the arts and was the crea ve and funding
driver that made the Sculpture Garden a reality. PLEASE make an
excep on. PLEASE honor her now. It would mean a lot to her and to
Webster’s en re art community. In short, PLEASE TRUST US!!! Why
wait????
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Thank YOU!
PEACE.
Dave
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Exhibit B
Charter Review
Advisory Board
Final Report
October 17, 2023
CHARTER REVIEW
ADVISORY BOARD
1 YEAR LATER
• HELD TWO OR MORE MEETINGS/MONTH SINCE OCTOBER
2022
• CREATED SUBCOMMITTEES ON WARDS, COUNCIL
COMPENSATION, PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT AND CIVIC
ENGAGEMENT TOPICS
• REVIEWED COUNCIL/STAFF INPUT AND THE CHARTER
• TRACKED & PRIORITIZED PROPOSED CHANGES
• SOUGHT PUBLIC INPUT USING SURVEY MONKEY, LISTENING
SESSIONS AND A PUBLIC OPEN HOUSE
• VOTED ON 28 PROPOSED CHANGES AUGUST 22, 2023
• FINAL REPORT TO COUNCIL COMPLETED
• PREAMBLE: mixed reviews on adding Model City Charter value language
• HYBRID ELECTIONS: 5‐4 CRAB vote preference. Council may consider after further
review.
• COUNCIL COMPENSATION: It is time to increase the 1965 compensation level.
• LEGISLATIVE PROCEEDINGS: Use of “contemporary means of publication” to keep
information sharing timely.
FINAL • ADMINISTRATIVE DEPARTMENTS & BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS: Reorganizes executive
function.
TAKE‐AWAYS • FINANCIAL AUDIT: Align to reflect realistic timeframes for data availability while
remaining compliant with state law; citizen concern about extending the due date past
45 days after close of fiscal year
• PLANNING & ZONING/DEVELOPMENT NAME CHANGE, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN,
REGIONAL COOPERATION:
• PETITION SIGNATURES & BALLOT PREPARATION: Brings City Charter into compliance with
the Missouri Revised Statutes and the St Louis County Election Board.
• ROLE OF PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT: Embeds the importance of public engagement in the
Charter.
INTRODUCTION
FINAL CHARTER REVIEW METHODOLOGY
REPORT • PROCESS
• SUBCOMMITTEE REPORTS
TO • INFORMATIONAL PRESENTATIONS
• PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT METHODS & RESULTS
• MATERIALS REVIEWED
COUNCIL RECOMMENDATIONS AND COMMENTARY
Blueprint for future reviews • RECOMMENDATIONS CONSIDERED BUT NOT
Historical document ADOPTED
Public record
CRAB MEMBER & PUBLIC COMMENTS
Agenda
Please note, residents can share comments in-person, virtually via Zoom using the
“Raise Hand” option, during the Regular Meeting, via email or U.S. mail. Written
comments will not be read aloud at the meetings. All speakers will be allowed three
minutes. Instructions on listening through phone or computer to the meetings are
available at www.webstergrovesmo.gov/virtualmeetings. All those attending in person
must comply with masking and other public health measures as ordered by the City of
Webster Groves.
CITY OF WEBSTER GROVES
COUNCIL WORK SESSION AGENDA
DATE: TUESDAY – OCTOBER 17, 2023
6:30 P.M.
LOCATION – CITY HALL
IN-PERSON
AND VIRTUALLY
#4 E. LOCKWOOD AVENUE
1. BOARD/COMMISSION INTERVIEWS
2. REVIEW REGULAR AGENDA
3. MAYOR/COUNCIL/CITY MANAGER ISSUES/MEETING UPDATES
4. TOPICS:
• Old Webster Business District Report and Council Conversation
• FY-2024 Quarterly Fiscal Update and FY-2023 Soft Close Review
5. APPOINTMENTS TO BOARDS/COMMISSIONS
6. EXECUTIVE (CLOSED SESSION)
RE: 1. ATTORNEY-CLIENT PRIVILEGED COMMUNICATIONS
[MO. STATUTE 610.021 (1)]
2. REAL ESTATE [MO. STATUTE 610.021 (2)]
3. PERSONNEL [MO. STATUTE 610.021 (3)]
4. NEGOTIATED CONTRACT [MO. STATUTE 610.021 (12)]
7. ADJOURNMENT
CITY OF WEBSTER GROVES
CITY COUNCIL MEETING
DATE: TUESDAY – OCTOBER 17, 2023
7:30 P.M.
LOCATION-CITY HALL-#4 E. LOCKWOOD
IN-PERSON
AND VIRTUALLY
Please note, residents can share comments in-person, virtually via Zoom, using the
“Raise Hand” option, via email or U.S. mail. Written comments will not be read aloud at
the meetings. All speakers will be allowed three minutes. Instructions on listening through
phone/computer to meetings available at www.webstergrovesmo.gov/virtualmeetings.
All those attending in person must comply with masking and other public health measures
as ordered by the City of Webster Groves.
Welcome to the regular meeting of the City Council. We welcome questions, ideas and
comments from persons in attendance. Members of the audience may, however,
comment only when recognized by the Mayor or Mayor ProTem if the Mayor is
absent. We ask that comments be limited to three minutes in order to complete the
agenda within a reasonable time. Comments concerning items not on the agenda should
be made during the Remarks of Visitors section of the agenda, near the beginning of the
meeting.
I. ROLL CALL
II. PROCLAMATIONS/RECOGNITIONS
• Doris Rogers (posthumously)
III. REMARKS FROM THE COMMUNITY AND VISITORS
IV. NEW BUSINESS - MAYOR, COUNCILMEMBERS, CITY ATTORNEY,
CITY MANAGER
V. UNFINISHED BUSINESS
1. Bill # 9235 – Third Reading - An Ordinance Granting a Conditional Use Permit to
Webster Groves Presbyterian Church to Allow for Shared Spaces Within an
Existing Building for Multiple Tenants Operating Under Educational Facility, School
for the Arts Use on an Approximately 1.67-Acre Tract of Land in An Existing
Structure at 45 W. Lockwood Avenue in the “D” Commercial District and Matters
Related Thereto
2. Bill #9236 – Third Reading - An Ordinance Permitting the Subdivision of Certain
Property at 617 Grant Court and 614 Grant Court in the “A2” Fifteen Thousand
Square Foot Residence District
VI. NEW BUSINESS
1. Charter Review Advisory Board Recommendations/Discussion
VII. APPROVAL OF CONSENT AGENDA
1. Approval of Minutes – October 3, 2023
VIII. APPOINTMENTS TO BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS
IX. EXECUTIVE (CLOSED SESSION)
RE: 1. ATTORNEY-CLIENT PRIVILEGED COMMUNICATIONS
[MO. STATUTE 610.021 (1)]
2. REAL ESTATE [MO. STATUTE 610.021 (2)]
3. PERSONNEL [MO. STATUTE 610.021 (3)]
4. NEGOTIATED CONTRACT [MO. STATUTE 610.021 (12)]
X. ADJOURNMENT
Individuals who require an accommodation (sign language, interpreter, listening
devices, etc.) to participate in the meeting should contact the City Clerk at 314-963-
5318 (fax number 314-963-7561) or Relay Missouri at 1-800-735-2966 (TDD) at least
two working days prior to the meeting.
NEXT REGULAR MEETING DATE: TUESDAY– NOVEMBER 7, 2023
BILL # 9235
ORDINANCE # 9235
AN ORDINANCE GRANTING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT
TO WEBSTER GROVES PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH TO ALLOW FOR SHARED
SPACES WITHIN AN EXISTING BUILDING FOR MULTIPLE TENANTS
OPERATING UNDER EDUCATIONAL FACILITY, SCHOOL FOR THE ARTS USE
ON AN APPROXIMATELY
1.67-ACRE TRACT OF LAND IN AN EXISTING STRUCTURE AT
45 W LOCKWOOD AVENUE IN THE “D” COMMERCIAL
DISTRICT AND MATTERS RELATED THERETO
WHEREAS, the Zoning Code of Webster Groves provides the City Council may, by
conditional use permit issued under the provisions of Section 53.140 and 53.159, authorize the use
of property in the “D” Commercial District for an “Educational Facility, School for the Arts”; and
WHEREAS, the property located at 45 W. Lockwood Avenue (the “Property”) is used for
a place of worship most recently; and
WHEREAS, Webster Groves Presbyterian Church (the “Applicant”), is requesting a
Conditional Use Permit to utilize the classroom spaces in the existing structure for a shared space
for tenants which would fall under an educational facility, school for the arts use within a “D”
Commercial District (the “Application”); and
WHEREAS, the Application was referred to the City Plan Commission, which, after
studying the Application and the recommendation of the Director of Planning and Development,
and holding a public hearing on September 11, 2023, has recommended approval of the
Application subject to certain conditions; and
WHEREAS, the City Council gave due notice and held a public hearing on the Application
at City Hall on October 3, 2023 at 7:30 p.m., where the Council heard and considered comments
and suggestions by those present; and
WHEREAS, the City Council has determined, in accordance with Section 53.176.b of the
Zoning Code, that the existing building setbacks are not being changed and shall continue to
govern structures on the Property; and
WHEREAS, the City Council has determined, in accordance with the provisions of
Chapter 53.170 et seq. of the Zoning Code, that granting the Applicant’s Conditional Use Permit
will not:
1. Substantially increase traffic hazards or congestion;
2. Substantially increase fire hazards;
3. Adversely affect the character of the neighborhood;
4. Adversely affect the general welfare of the community; or
5. Overtax public utilities.
NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT ORDAINED BY THE COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF
WEBSTER GROVES:
Section 1. The City Council hereby approves a Conditional Use Permit to Webster
Groves Presbyterian Church to operate a shared space for tenants operating under educational
facility, school for the arts use within an existing structure on an approximately 1.67 acre tract of
land at 45 W. Lockwood Avenue within the “D” Commercial District, subject to the following
conditions:
1. All provisions of the City Code shall apply except as expressly modified in this
Ordinance #9235.
2. All activities of the Educational Facility, School for the Arts use shall be located
within the existing structure of the subject property.
3. Hours of operation shall be limited to Mondays-Fridays 8 am-9 pm.
4. This conditional use permit is personal to the owner and shall not run with the land.
Section 2. This Ordinance shall not be printed in the Code of Webster Groves.
Section 3. This Ordinance shall become effective immediately upon passage and
approval.
Passed and Approved this _____ day of _______________ 2023.
_____________________________
Mayor
ATTEST:
____________________________
City Clerk
BILL #9236
ORDINANCE #9236
AN ORDINANCE PERMITTING THE SUBDIVISION
OF CERTAIN PROPERTY AT 617 GRANT COURT AND
614 GRANT COURT IN THE “A2” FIFTEEN THOUSAND
SQUARE FOOT RESIDENCE DISTRICT
WHEREAS, Matthew and Mariea Snell and Anthony and Kimberly Alessi (the “Owners”)
-- who own certain property that is approximately 0.696 acres of land commonly referred to as 617
Grant Court and 614 Grant Court and that is more particularly described in the final subdivision
plat which is attached hereto as Exhibit A and that is incorporated herein by this reference
(hereinafter referred to as “the Property”) -- have requested a subdivision of the Property that is
within the “A2” Fifteen Thousand Square Foot Residence District; and
WHEREAS, three of the structures are currently non-conforming to the Zoning Code; and
WHEREAS, the re-subdivision of the Property does not meet all the requirements of the
current version of the zoning code; and
WHEREAS, consideration of the request was referred to the City Plan Commission,
which, after studying the application and the standards and requirements of the Webster Groves
Subdivision Ordinance, recommended approval of the requested subdivision to allow the existing
structures to remain in place at 617 Grant Court and 614 Grant Court until such time as they are
reconstructed or required to be reconstructed pursuant to the regulations governing non-
conforming uses; and
WHEREAS, the City Plan Commission also recommended approval of the requested
subdivision where the property at 614 Grant Court will not meet the minimum lot size for the “A2”
Fifteen Thousand Square Foot Residence District; and
WHEREAS, the owners are now requesting that the City Council give final approval to
the subdivision of the Property;
NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT ORDAINED BY THE COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF
WEBSTER GROVES, MISSOURI, AS FOLLOWS:
Section 1. The City Council approves the subdivision of the Property in accordance
with the final subdivision plat submitted to the Council and attached hereto as Exhibit A, including
allowing the existing structures to remain where they have been built until such time as it is
reconstructed or required to be reconstructed pursuant to the regulations governing non-
conforming uses.
Section 2. All future development at the subject properties shall meet the existing
Municipal Code requirements. The establishment of this plat precludes current and future owners
from obtaining setback variances from the Municipal Code at the subject properties.
Section 3. This ordinance shall not be printed in the Code of Webster Groves.
Section 4. This ordinance shall take effect and be in force from and after its passage
and approval.
Passed and Approved this _____ day of ______________ 2023.
____________________________________
Mayor
ATTEST:
_____________________________
City Clerk
CITY OF WEBSTER GROVES
October 3, 2023
The City Council met this date in a regular session, in the City Council Chambers, which was
available to the public in person, and virtually, at 7:32 p.m.
Present at Roll Call: Mayor Laura Arnold
Councilmember Pam Bliss
Councilmember David Franklin
Councilmember Karen D. Alexander
Councilmember Emerson Smith
Councilmember Sarah Richardson
Councilmember Emily Hixson Shepherd
A quorum was present.
Also present: Dr. Marie Peoples, City Manager (via teleconference)
Neil Bruntrager, City Attorney
Ms. Katie Nakazono, City Clerk
PROCLAMATIONS/RECOGNITIONS
Mayor Arnold and Council presented the proclamation for the Camp Wyman/Webster Groves
School District 75 Year partnership.
Mayor Arnold and Councilmembers presented the Good Neighbor Awards to the recipients.
[Council took a brief recess following the distribution of the Good Neighbor Awards.]
PUBLIC HEARING
WEBSTER GROVES PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH SHARED SPACE INITIATIVE
(45 W. LOCKWOOD AVENUE): AN APPLICATION BY WEBSTER GROVES
PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH FOR A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT TO ALLOW FOR
SHARED SPACES WITHIN AN EXISTING BUILDING FOR MULTIPLE TENANTS
OPERATING UNDER EDUCATIONAL FACILITY, SCHOOL FOR THE ARTS USES
LOCATED ON A 1.67 ACRE LOT AT 45 W. LOCKWOOD AVENUE IN THE “D”
COMMERCIAL DISTRICT
Mayor Arnold opened the public hearing, and Mara Perry, Director of Planning and Development,
gave a presentation (See Exhibit A). Ms. Perry addressed questions of the Council.
Dave Buck, 124 S. Elm Ave, made comments regarding the public hearing. (See Exhibit B).
The City Attorney entered the following into the record:
1. Plan Commission Staff Report prepared by Mara Perry, Director of Planning and
Development, for meeting date September 11, 2023.
2. The written statement from Webster Groves Presbyterian Church.
3. Preliminary floor plans.
October 3, 2023
4. The Director of Planning and Development PowerPoint before the City Council October
3, 2023.
5. Zoning Code for the City of Webster Groves
Mayor Arnold closed the public hearing.
BILL #9235 – FIRST & SECOND READING
Councilmember Hixson Shepherd introduced BILL #9235 – ENTITLED AN ORDINANCE
GRANTING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT TO WEBSTER GROVES
PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH TO ALLOW FOR SHARED SPACES WITHIN AN
EXISTING BUILDING FOR MULTIPLE TENANTS OPERATING UNDER
EDUCATIONAL FACILITY, SCHOOL FOR THE ARTS USE ON AN APPROXIMATELY
1.67-ACRE TRACT OF LAND IN AN EXISTING STRUCTURE AT 45 W. LOCKWOOD
AVENUE IN THE “D” COMMERCIAL DISTRICT AND MATTERS RELATED
THERETO, and at the Councilmember’s request, the Bill was read twice, first and second times
by title only, and placed on the agenda for future consideration of the Council.
REMARKS FROM THE COMMUNITY AND VISITORS
Jon Stassi (Via Zoom) lives on Tuxedo where a shooting occurred. He stated that the alleged
suspect who was apprehend, allegedly had multiple warrants, and had multiple complaints against
him. Mr. Stassi wanted to know how this shooting was allowed to happen and what can change so
that the community can be safer and that something like this does not occur again.
Dave Buck, 124 S. Elm Ave, made comments. (See Exhibit C)
Nathan Babcook (Via Zoom) brought to the council’s attention that the alleged suspect in the
Tuxedo shooting had harassed and chased a young African American girl down Glen Avenue. Her
father intervened to prevent it. He stated that complaints against the alleged suspect have been
ongoing for over 3 years. He feels that things are problematic, and that the city could do a bit more
to enforce its own ordinance and rules concerning people living illegally in backyards, in trailers
and tents.
NEW BUSINESS - MAYOR, COUNCILMEMBERS, CITY ATTORNEY,
CTY MANAGER
No new business.
NEW BUSINESS
CHARTER REVIEW ADVISORY BOARD RECOMMENDATIONS/DISCUSSION
A preliminary Council Public Engagement Timeline was distributed to Council. At the next
Council meeting council will discuss the Charter Review Advisory Board report.
BILL #9236 – FIRST & SECOND READING
Councilmember Alexander introduced BILL #9236 – ENTITLED AN ORDINANCE
PERMITTING THE SUBDIVISION OF CERTAIN PROPERTY AT 617 GRANT COURT
AND 614 GRANT COURT IN THE “A2” FIFTEEN THOUSAND SQUARE FOOT
RESIDENCE DISTRICT, and at the Councilmember’s request, the Bill was read twice, first and
second times by title only, and placed on the agenda for future consideration of the Council.
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October 3, 2023
Director of Planning and Development, Mara Perry, gave a presentation. (See Exhibit A)
RESOLUTION #2023-44 – AUTHORIZING THE SOLAR REBATE PROGRAM
FOR QUALIFIED RESIDENTIAL SOLAR PROJECTS IN THE CITY OF
WEBSTER GROVES
A motion was made by Councilmember Franklin, seconded by Councilmember Smith, to adopt
Resolution #2023-44.
Prior to the vote, Shawn Finnegan, Sustainability Coordinator, and Todd Rehg, Director of
Public Works, gave a presentation about the program.
Mayor Arnold called for the vote on Resolution #2023-44.
MEMBERS VOTING:
AYES: BLISS, FRANKLIN, SMITH, ALEXANDER, RICHARDSON, HIXSON SHEPHERD,
ARNOLD,
NOES: NONE
Mayor Arnold stated that Resolution #2023-44 was approved.
CONSENT AGENDA
A motion was made by Councilmember Bliss, seconded by Councilmember Richardson, to
approve the Consent Agenda.
Mayor Arnold called for the vote on the Consent Agenda.
MEMBERS VOTING:
AYES: FRANKLIN, SMITH, ALEXANDER, RICHARDSON, HIXSON SHEPHERD,
ARNOLD, BLISS
NOES: NONE
Mayor Arnold stated that the Consent Agenda was approved.
The following Consent Agenda was approved:
• Approval of Minutes – September 19, 2023
• Resolution #2023-45 – Authorizing the City Manager to Purchase a Stretcher for
the Fire Department
• Resolution #2023-46 – Authorizing the City Manager to Purchase a CPR
Automated Device for the Fire Department
APPOINTMENTS TO BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS
No appointments.
EXECUTIVE (CLOSED) SESSION
No closed session.
ADJOURNMENT
There being no further business to come before the City Council, the regular meeting was
adjourned at 8:47 p.m. on motion of the Mayor, duly seconded.
[Note, following the regular meeting the council reconvened the Work Session.]
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October 3, 2023
PASSED AND APPROVED this _______day of ____________________ 2023.
________________________
Mayor
_______________
City Clerk
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Exhibit A
City Council
October 3, 2023
23-PC-09 Webster Groves
Presbyterian Church Shared Space
Initiative
(45AnW. Lockwood Ave)
application by Webster Groves Presbyterian Church for a
Conditional Use Permit to allow for shared spaces within an existing
building for multiple tenants operating under Educational Facility,
School for the Arts uses located on a 1.67 acre lot at 45 W. Lockwood
Avenue in the “D” Commercial District.
Mara M. Perry, AICP, Director of Planning &
Development
23-PC-09 Webster Groves
Presbyterian Church Shared Space
Initiative
(45 W. Lockwood Ave)
Zoning
• “D” Commercial District with a CUP
Surrounding Uses
• North: “D” Commercial District
• East: “PC” Planned Commercial District
• South: “D” Commercial District
• West: “D” Commercial District
23-PC-09 Webster Groves
Presbyterian Church Shared Space
Initiative
(45 W. Lockwood Ave)
Existing Conditions -
View looking northwest from W Lockwood View looking southeast from W Moody Ave
Ave
23-PC-09 Webster Groves
Presbyterian Church Shared Space
Initiative
(45 W. Lockwood Ave)
History –
• 1867- Webster Groves Presbyterian Church
• 1923- Zoned “E” Industrial District and “D”
Commercial District
• 1956- Zoned “D” Commercial District
• 1959 & 1961, Special Use Permits to reconstruct
and expand facilities
• Since 1962, the church has operated daycare and
early childhood care facilities at the subject
property.
• 2021 – CUP for Educational Facility, School for
the Arts for other classroom spaces
• 2023 – CUP for Educational Facility, School for
the Arts for other classroom spaces
23-PC-09 Webster Groves
Presbyterian Church Shared Space
Initiative
(45 W. Lockwood Ave)
Comprehensive Plan Analysis –
In 2017, the City incorporated the 2006 DFP
maps into a consolidated Comprehensive
Plan Map Amendment
The 2017 Comprehensive Plan Map
Amendment recommended Religious
Institutions for the subject property.
The proposed request is not to change the
zoning of the property but rather to get
approval of a conditional use within the
existing zoning district. It is Staff’s opinion
that this would be in compliance with the
existing Comprehensive Plan as no change of
zoning is proposed.
23-PC-09 Webster Groves
Presbyterian Church Shared Space
Initiative
(45 W. Lockwood Ave)
Zoning Analysis: Conditional Use Permit
Per Sec. 53.173(c), the Council shall determine whether the proposed use
will NOT:
1. Substantially increase traffic hazards or congestion.
2. Substantially increase fire hazards.
3. Adversely affect the character of the neighborhood.
4. Adversely affect the general welfare of the community.
5. Overtax public utilities.
23-PC-09 Webster Groves
Presbyterian Church Shared Space
Initiative
(45 W. Lockwood Ave)
Zoning Analysis – Use –
“Educational Facility, School for the Arts”
use.
The applicant intends to provide spaces
for various not for profits and educational
arts facilities in the existing building.
The applicant intends to hold these
activities within the second and third floors
of the existing classroom facilities at the
subject property, utilizing approximately
5,274 square feet in area.
23-PC-09 Webster Groves
Presbyterian Church Shared Space
Initiative
(45 W. Lockwood Ave)
Parking Analysis–
The zoning code requires a minimum of
one (1) off-street parking space for every
one thousand (1,000) square feet of
teaching facilities. Or one (1) off-street
parking space for every three hundred
(300) square feet of office space.
At 5,274 square feet in existing facilities,
the zoning code would require between six
(6) and eighteen (18) parking spaces.
The subject property currently includes
ninety-two (92) off-street parking spaces.
These spaces are shared by various users
within the building.
23-PC-09 Webster Groves
Presbyterian Church Shared Space
Initiative
(45 W. Lockwood Ave)
Hours of Operation
Mondays-Fridays 8 am – 9 pm
Dimensional Regulations
No changes are being made to the exterior of
the structure.
Staff does not recommend placing additional
dimensional regulations upon the proposed use.
23-PC-09 Webster Groves
Presbyterian Church Shared Space
Initiative
(45 W. Lockwood Ave)
Recommendation –
Should the City Council recommend approval of the CUP, staff recommends the following
conditions:
1. All provisions of the City Code shall apply except as expressly modified in the CUP
Ordinance.
2. All activities of the Educational Facility, School for the Arts use shall be located within
the existing structure of the subject property.
3. Hours of operation shall be limited to Mondays-Fridays 8 am- 9 pm.
4. This Conditional Use Permit is personal to the Applicant and shall not run with the
land.
23-PC-10 Grant Court Lots 2-3
Boundary Adjustment Plat
A petition by Matthew and Mariea Snell, property owners of 617
Grant Court, and Anthony and Kimberly Alessi, property owners of
614 Grant Court, for an Application for a Boundary Adjustment Plat to
be known as “Grant Court Lots 2-3 Boundary Adjustment Plat”. The
subject properties encompass approximately 0.696 acres of land. The
subject properties are located within the “A2” Fifteen Thousand
Square Foot Residence District.
Mara M. Perry, AICP, Director of Planning &
Development
23-PC-10 Grant Court Lots 2-3
Boundary Adjustment Plat
Zoning
• “A2” Fifteen Thousand Square
Foot Residence District
• The surrounding properties are
developed as single-family
residential and are zoned “A2”
Fifteen Thousand Square Foot
Residence District
23-PC-10 Grant Court Lots 2-3
Boundary Adjustment Plat
History -
• There is currently a single family
dwelling and detached garage at
617 Grant Court owned by
Matthew and Mariea Snell.
According to St. Louis County
records, the house was built in
1986.
• There is currently a single family
dwelling with an attached
garage at 614 Grant Court,
owned by Anthony and Kimberly
Alessi. According to St. Louis
County records, the house was
built in 1988.
23-PC-10 Grant Court Lots 2-3
Boundary Adjustment Plat
Staff Analysis–
• On April 14, 1986 the plat went
before the Plan Commission. It
is noted in the minutes that
they needed to approve on the
record that the lot widths were
“acceptable as shown” in case it
came into question at a later
date.
• The plat was further approved
by the City Council on June 3,
1986 via Ordinance 7384.
• The original plat was approved
without the lots meeting these
requirements for Average Lot
Width and Lot Width at the
Front Yard Setback.
23-PC-10 Grant Court Lots 2-3
Boundary Adjustment Plat
Staff Analysis–
The applicants have proposed a
boundary adjustment to transfer
ownership of an approximately
2,363 square foot tract of land from
614 Grant Court to the property at
617 Grant Court. The land is
located to the south of the existing
lot at 617 Grant Court.
23-PC-10 Grant Court Lots 2-3
Boundary Adjustment Plat
Staff Analysis–
The minimum lot sizes which had been
approved to meet the minimum
requirements when it was platted in 1986
will not be met. The existing and
proposed lot sizes are listed in the table
below:
614 Grant Court 617 Grant Court
Minimum Required 15,000 sq. feet 15,000 sq. feet
Existing Lot 15,035 sq. feet 15,272 sq. feet
Proposed Lot 12,672 sq. feet 17,635 sq. feet
23-PC-10 Grant Court Lots 2-3
Boundary Adjustment Plat
Staff Analysis–
Plan Commission and City Council review
are needed because the existing detached
garage at 617 Grant Court and the existing
primary structures at both properties don’t
meet the required setbacks.
614 Grant 617 Grant Court
Court
Min. Req’d 30’ Front 30’ Front
Existing/ 29.58’/ n.c. 28.93’/ n.c.
Proposed
Min. Req’d 10’ Side 10’ Side
Existing/ 10’/ 2.22’ 7’ and 9.12’/ 18’ and
Proposed n.c.
23-PC-10 Grant Court Lots 2-3
Boundary Adjustment Plat
Staff Analysis–
Plan Commission and City Council review
are needed because the existing detached
garage at 617 Grant Court and the existing
primary structures at both properties don’t
meet the required setbacks.
614 Grant 617 Grant Court
Court
Min. Req’d 30’ Front 30’ Front
Existing/ 29.58’/ n.c. 28.93’/ n.c.
Proposed
Min. Req’d 10’ Side 10’ Side
Existing/ 10’/ 2.22’ 7’ and 9.12’/ 18’ and
Proposed n.c.
23-PC-10 Grant Court Lots 2-3
Boundary Adjustment Plat
Staff Analysis–
Plan Commission and City Council review
are needed because the existing detached
garage at 617 Grant Court and the existing
primary structures at both properties don’t
meet the required setbacks.
614 Grant 617 Grant Court
Court
Min. Req’d 30’ Front 30’ Front
Existing/ 29.58’/ n.c. 28.93’/ n.c.
Proposed
Min. Req’d 10’ Side 10’ Side
Existing/ 10’/ 2.22’ 7’ and 9.12’/ 18’ and
Proposed n.c.
23-PC-10 Grant Court Lots 2-3
Boundary Adjustment Plat
Staff Recommendation–
Should the City Council approve of the subdivision plat, Staff recommends the following conditions:
1. All provisions of the City Code shall apply except as expressly modified in this Ordinance #XXXX.
2. All future development at the subject properties shall meet the existing Municipal Code
requirements. The establishment of this plat precludes current and future owners from
obtaining variances from the Municipal Code at the subject properties.
Exhibit B
Webster Groves Presbyterian Space Utilization Public
Hearing – Three Points:
FIRST, you know the 5 CUP factors and their “NO”
answers drive me crazy. Instead, how about:
1. Webster Pres. has a judged good idea. YES!
2. Will fill an important need. YES!
3. Will benefit lots of people. YES!
4. Will add value to our community. YES!
5. Makes smart use of an underutilized asset. YES!
SECOND, this proposal taps into another important
trend and need. Religion is on the decline in America
and church attendance in Webster Groves is down across
the board, which frees up space in other larger churches
around the city to be used for different causes, even
perhaps merging churches, similar to the unused space at
Eden Seminary accommodating the Peace Church.
THIRD, I am not sure why this CUP is even needed given
that, a few months ago, City Council approved a CUP for
the unique music education organization called Different
Dynamics to take up residence in Webster Pres. And, to
be honest, I like and prefer when each individual new
business owner or head of an organization comes before
City Council to in-person introduce themselves and tell
their story. For example, in the case of Different
Dynamics, its owner and director, Jessica Ingraham, of
the St. Louis Symphony Orchestra, conveyed her passion
and enthusiasm for her venture and I think that it very
important in your decision to approve a new CUP or not.
Exhibit C
Remarks from the Community & Visitors – Four Things
Regarding our Black Community:
1. Recent visit to Memphis and the National Civil
Rights Museum. It tells the Black story and journey
from Africa to today and it is humbling, sobering and
shocking.
2. Emerson’s email response to the Pledge of
Allegiance from the Black perspective. Thank YOU,
Emerson, as I had never thought of the Pledge in
that way before.
3. Burning and destruction of Black Lives Matter
banners, and others.
4. I completed my one-on-one conversations with 10
North Webster Black friends on why their
population has declined so much, with many
moving to North St. Louis County. The loss of
affordability is certainly a factor, but the deeper,
emotional reasons are: loss of trust, loss of dignity,
loss of their tribe, and loss of their cultural identity.
It is interesting to note that of all of the Webster
Groves Good Neighbors you recognized tonight, not
one of them as a Black Good Neighbor.
It's not a positive picture. But there is hope!!! And I saw
it first-hand yesterday when I was invited by
Superintendent John Simpson and the extraordinary
Leader & Principal of Givens Elementary, Malissa
Beecham, to attend their once-a-month, all-school
inspiring program called “Harambee”. Givens is, by far,
the most racially diverse school in the district and
“Harambee” is Kenyan for “all pull together”.
It was a full hour of true school spirit devoted to
promoting and celebrating the values of honesty,
kindness, mutual respect & acceptance, understanding,
sharing, fairness, and unity - that we are stronger
together than we are apart.
Kids are truly the hope of the world and the change we
need. Because at Givens, it’s more than words in some
nice DEI statement. They work hard every day for kids to
create positive actions, friendships & unity between two
races and we adults can learn a lot from them.
I cannot speak for City Council. All I know is that I need
to do more before it is too late to stop the decline. I do
not want to lose Kelvin Cunningham, Roslyn Croft, Kita
Quinn, and Webster’s other remaining Blacks. Inspired
by the kids at Givens, I have a couple of new ideas that
may help do this. Stay tuned. Thank YOU!
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