Community, Life and Public Safety (CLPS) Committee
Regular MeetingWeston, WI · October 7, 2024
Minutes
Village of Weston, Wisconsin
OFFICIAL PROCEEDINGS OF THE
VILLAGE COMMUNITY LIFE AND PUBLIC SAFETY (CLPS) COMMITTEE MEETING
held on Monday, Tuesday, October 7, 2024, at 5:00 p.m.,
in the Board Room, at 4747 Camp Phillips Road
AGENDA ITEMS.
1. Meeting called to order by CLPS Chair and Village Trustee, Jim Pinsonneault, at
approximately 5:00 p.m.
2. Pledge of Allegiance to the Flag.
3. Roll Call and Declaration of Quorum by Secretary Parker.
Roll call indicated 5 CLPS members present.
Member Present
Pinsonneault, Jim {Chair} YES
Ermeling, Barbara {Vice Chair} YES
Alstad, Andrea YES
Czerwonka, John YES
Foss, Kim EXCUSED
Lopes-Serrao, Luis EXCUSED
Olson, Brent YES
Village Staff in attendance, in-person: Gebert, Higgins, Wodalski, Maguire, Finke, Hunt, and Parker.
Later in the meeting Trautman and Lao joined in.
Village Staff in attendance, via Zoom: Crowe and Falkowski
Board of Trustees Members Present, in-person: Zeyghami, Maloney, and Cronin
Board of Trustees Members Present, via Zoom: Weiland
Audience Members in attendance, in-person: There was 2 audience member present, in-person.
Audience Members in attendance, via Zoom: There were no audience members present, via Zoom.
4. Reading of Mission Statement.
Pinsonneault asked Alstad to read the Mission Statement of CLPS.
PUBLIC COMMENT
MINUTES FROM PREVIOUS MEETINGS [0:01:53 Zoom Meeting Recording]
5. Approve Minutes from September 3, 2024, CLPS Meeting.
Motion by Ermeling, second by Czerwonka: to approve the September 3, 2024, CLPS meeting
minutes.
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Yes Vote: 5 No Votes: 0 Abstain: 0 Not Voting: 2 Result: PASS
Member (PC) Voting
Pinsonneault, Jim {Chair} YES
Ermeling, Barbara {Vice Chair} YES
Alstad, Andrea YES
Czerwonka, John YES
Foss, Kim ------
Lopes-Serrao, Luis ------
Olson, Brent YES
WRITTEN COMMUNICATIONS RECEIVED
None.
ACKNOWLEDGE REPORTS FROM DEPARTMENTS [0:02:26 Zoom Meeting Recording]
6. Code Enforcement Update
Gebert referred to the report in the packet.
Motion by Olson, second by Alstad: to acknowledge the Code Enforcement Update Report.
Yes Vote: 5 No Votes: 0 Abstain: 0 Not Voting: 2 Result: PASS
Member (PC) Voting
Pinsonneault, Jim {Chair} YES
Ermeling, Barbara {Vice Chair} YES
Alstad, Andrea YES
Czerwonka, John YES
Foss, Kim ------
Lopes-Serrao, Luis ------
Olson, Brent YES
UNFINISHED BUSINESS
7. Discussion and/or action on recommendation to the Board of Trustees on amendment to
Unauthorized Persons on School Property, Building Access, and Security ordinance [0:03:05
Zoom Meeting Recording]
Hunt commented the only changes to this ordinance had to do with the securing of the doors. He
explained how they have some individuals in the school who will prop doors open, which then allow
unauthorized visitors to enter the school. The School Resource Officers requested this language be
changed to allow them some enforcement action capabilities if someone is caught going around
propping open doors.
Pinsonneault questioned if this ordinance only pertains to students, or if it pertains to anyone
(including adults) propping open doors. He gave an example of if a teacher, during class, leaves their
classroom door propped open, which allows students to come in and out, and questioned if the
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teachers are not responsible for securing their areas. Olson pointed out the Exceptions section of
this draft ordinance.
There will now be some enforcement capabilities if people prop doors open. Pinsonneault questioned
if this should cover anyone, not just “students”. Should refer to persons. Olson suggested using
“anyone”. Olson stated he reads this that the ordinance is primarily on the students and staff as long
as it was within the rules of their employment.
Higgins stated from the way she reads it, and when looking at the Exceptions, the current language in
the first paragraph is fine. If teachers end up propping doors, they are essentially not following the
rules.
Hunt suggested that this be modified to refer to “students or persons”. Olson suggested using the
word “anyone”.
Olson pointed out he sees this draft ordinance as covering two different citable issues: 1. You have to
be authorized to be on school grounds, and 2. You can’t prop the doors open.
Hunt stated again that the main reason for this is that there are students propping the doors and then
letting friends from other schools come into the facility.
Gebert suggested stating in Section 2 “propping of any door, allowing any person access through
unauthorized doors…”. Pinsonneault stated also in that section, the last sentence could read:
“…being allowed access to the school by any person through unauthorized doors is prohibited.”.
Higgins added the third sentence could also be revised to instead read: “All persons must enter and
exit through the main office doors…”. Wodalski commented that this will apply to all DC Everest
Schools, and how some still have side entry points. Higgins stated then maybe to word that sentence
“All students and visitors”. Gebert also pointed out, if we used “all persons” how that would affect
people like janitors, etc. Olson suggested instead of “main office doors” to state “designated doors”
or “authorized doors”.
Gebert stated a motion could be made to the Board to approve this with the four amendments
discussed for paragraph 2, which she pointed each one out.
Clerk’s Note - the paragraph would instead read as:
“All entrance and exit doors to schools within the D.C. Everest School District must be closed and
locked during school hours. Propping of any door, allowing any person access through unauthorized
doors, and damage to Card Access Readers is prohibited. All persons must enter and exit through
the authorized main school doors during school hours. Students must follow check in and check out
procedures set forth by school administration. Forcible entry, entry through propped doors, or being
allowed access to the school by another person through unauthorized doors is prohibited.”
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Motion by Czerwonka, second by Ermeling: to recommend approval to the Board of Trustees,
the proposed amended Unauthorized Persons Ordinance with the added amendments
discussed tonight (original Ordinance draft along with amendments made tonight to Section 2,
as noted above).
Yes Vote: 5 No Votes: 0 Abstain: 0 Not Voting: 2 Result: PASS
Member (PC) Voting
Pinsonneault, Jim {Chair} YES
Ermeling, Barbara {Vice Chair} YES
Alstad, Andrea YES
Czerwonka, John YES
Foss, Kim ------
Lopes-Serrao, Luis ------
Olson, Brent YES
8. Discussion and/or action on recommendation to the Board of Trustees on adoption of
Sexting Prohibited Ordinance [0:14:10 Zoom Meeting Recording]
Hunt passed out a letter from Detective Sergeant Dan Goff (attached). Hunt explained the previous
recommendation was to talk to Child Protective Services (CPS) and get a recommendation from them, as this
is a newly created ordinance, as to how they felt about writing municipal citations on some of the offenses that
they deal with. Hunt pointed out how this happens daily at the schools.
Olson pointed out how in Wisconsin, once you are 17, you are treated as an adult for crimes you commit. He
questioned if we should amend 1. c. from “18” to “17”, or do we still want the decision to be up to the officer, to
determine a potential adult felony charge versus a juvenile municipal citation. Hunt felt if it was a case
involving an 18-year old and a 16-year old, then it would go to CPS, but if it were a 17-year old with a 17-year
old, then he feels it would go through citation.
Pinsonneault confirmed if we leave the “18” age, it would still be up to the officer which way to handle it.
Gebert questioned if Rothschild already adopted one like this. Hunt stated this is brand new and going through
Weston first, then Rothschild.
Motion by Ermeling, second by Olson: to recommend approval of the Ordinance to the Board
of Trustees, as presented.
Yes Vote: 5 No Votes: 0 Abstain: 0 Not Voting: 2 Result: PASS
Member (PC) Voting
Pinsonneault, Jim {Chair} YES
Ermeling, Barbara {Vice Chair} YES
Alstad, Andrea YES
Czerwonka, John YES
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Foss, Kim ------
Lopes-Serrao, Luis ------
Olson, Brent YES
9. Discussion and/or Action on recommendation to the Board of Trustees on adoption of
Operator’s License required ordinance. [0:20:55 Zoom Meeting Recording]
Hunt passed out a document (attached) providing statistics on operator license citations that have been issued
over the past year.
Hunt stated that if we have this ordinance in place, the officers still have the option to write it as a criminal or
municipal citation. He stated one of the reasons they write municipal citations is that it is a quicker adjudication
and the monies collected comes back to the municipality, versus to the State and County.
Hunt stated that Rothschild has had this ordinance for several years now (which is where most of the 2023
numbers come from).
Olson stated he was previously concerned about the criminal versus municipal citation for OAR (Operating
After Revocations), as the license revocation is longer when through the State versus municipal, but after
seeing the low statistics on the OAR, he is not as concerned now.
Motion by Czerwonka, second by Olson: to recommend approval of the Ordinance as presented.
Yes Vote: 5 No Votes: 0 Abstain: 0 Not Voting: 2 Result: PASS
Member (PC) Voting
Pinsonneault, Jim {Chair} YES
Ermeling, Barbara {Vice Chair} YES
Alstad, Andrea YES
Czerwonka, John YES
Foss, Kim ------
Lopes-Serrao, Luis ------
Olson, Brent YES
10. Discussion and/or Action on any further updates regarding Future Exploration of
Commercial Building Inspections Program. [0:24:41 Zoom Meeting Recording]
Maguire met with William Hebert, of City of Wausau, last Thursday, to discuss the possibility was for
supplemental inspections. Hebert told Maguire that he would have more flexibility to do this outside of
Wausau, under his own inspection agency, versus running it through the City of Wausau.
Maguire stated last week he also had the opportunity to meet with John Cunningham, Director of Operations,
with E-Plan Exam. Maguire stated that Cunningham is looking forward to working with Weston.
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Maguire stated he will be preparing some larger homework in December or January, to present with an official
plan.
Maguire explained that Wausau currently charges $100/hour for commercial electrical inspections. He stated
that Hebert (on his own) would be comparable to that.
Pinsonneault confirmed that we have to be a “delegated municipality” with the State. Maguire stated as long
as we have a contract with an inspection agency, whether our own staff, with Wausau, or with Hebert, then E-
Plan Exam would be able to accept us as a partner. Also, then, the State would accept our letter for delegation
request.
Pinsonneault confirmed that we could initially enter into a contract with Hebert (until Maguire is
certified/licensed), and contact the State to get our delegation status, and then also work with E-Plan Exam.
Maguire confirmed the inspection fees would be covered under our permit fees. To have Hebert doing the
inspections, we would need to modify our Fee Schedule for commercial inspections.
Maguire stated, when talking to Hebert, not only does the plan review process take care of building plans and
HVAC plans, but it also takes care of the fire alarm system plans, fire suppression plans, which means 4
revenue streams to tap into there. With this, we would modify the Fee Schedule to add in inspection fees for
fire suppression, fire alarm system, and increasing the HVAC inspection fees.
NEW BUSINESS
11. Discussion and/or Action on proposed amendments to Chapter 10 Animals [0:31:30 Zoom
Meeting Recording]
Gebert stated Chapter 10 in the packet is being provided to start a discussion on if there is anything CLPS
would like to see changed.
Olson brought up Sec. 10.108, on transportation of animals, and how he disagrees with the use of “…left in or
upon a vehicle for more than twenty minutes,…”. He pointed out if someone has their dog in their vehicle on a
60-degree day, with the windows open, for 45 minutes, that should not be considered cruelty to a dog. He
feels we may be overstepping a bit with the “twenty minutes” cut off. He pointed out now if it was 80 degrees
outside and someone’s dog was left in a vehicle for 20 minutes, by the time the 20 minutes hits, the dog may
already be dead. He feels we should just leave this section with just the first sentence, and remove the rest.
Hunt stated he agrees with that comment, and how the timeframe really has nothing to do with it, that it is really
about how the animal is being cared for. They agreed to strike the second sentence and re-write the first
sentence as: “No person may transport any animal in or upon any vehicle in a cruel manner or in unreasonable
conditions.”
Czerwinski questioned Sec. 10,112, on shooting at caged or staked animals, and asked what if you trap a
skunk in your back yard. Olson commented that the Village already has an ordinance that prohibits the
discharge of firearms at animals. A question came up if a bow and arrow is considered a deadly weapon.
Hunt stated in 28 years he has never seen a citation issued for someone who was shooting a caged varmint or
destructive animal. He feels if it was someone’s pet, that would be different, and treated as a criminal issue. It
was agreed to leave this section as is.
Alstad questioned chickens not being in this section. Higgins stated that chickens are covered in the Zoning
Ordinance. Gebert stated that chickens are allowed, but the number allowed are based on lot size and zoning
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district. Pinsonneault commented that there are a few references to chickens in Chapter 10 that need to be
revised. There should be a reference to the Zoning Code for chickens, in this chapter.
Olson brought up Sec. 10.123, Animal Fanciers, under b. iv. and b. v, where it references the Humane Officer.
Gebert stated we do have 2 police officers humane officers. Hunt stated two of his new officers recently went
down to Madison and received that required training/certifications, so we have two designated officers for
humane officers.
Pinsonneault questioned the intent to the definition of “Dog, service”, in Sec. 10.103. Gebert stated a service
animal would not include an emotional support animal. She stated a service animal would carry a certification
that they were provided training to do one of the tasks listed in, or similar to what is listed in, this definition, and
would not include emotional support. Pinsonneault stated that ADA does not just have dogs called out, as they
just list service animals, and it doesn’t require them to have a vest or certain training through a certified
program. If our intent is to use this in an ADA scenario, then we should change this to say that. Hunt
suggested stating “service animal as defined by the ADA”. Olson stated they have to be able to be trained to
do something related to their disability. Hunt further suggested to state “service dog or animal, as defined by
ADA”. Pinsonneault stated the definition name should be changed from service dog to service animal.
Pinsonneault brought up Sec. 10.100, Purpose and Intent, should include chickens since they require
licensing.
Pinsonneault brought up Sec. 10.106, Taking Without Owner’s Consent, and stated we need to add a provision
for chickens. Higgins stated residents have to have their chickens. Higgins stated this ordinance was created
in 2008, and is a standard ordinance that other communities have. Hunt stated if someone stole another
person’s chicken, they would issue a theft citation. It was stated we could just use “anybody’s animal” versus
calling it out by type.
Pinsonneault brought up Sec. 10.113, Sale of Baby Rabbits, Chicks, and Other Fowl. He questioned if people
have chickens to sell, how that works. Gebert stated that the Village does not allow roosters, so there should
not be any baby chickens to sell. Pinsonneault commented that we now allow chickens, and people have to
get them somehow. Higgins pointed out this ordinance is from many years ago. Maguire commented that the
chicken license only applies in the smaller zoning districts. Gebert stated we will have to research to see how
other municipalities are handling this and circle back on this. Hunt stated he believes the reason the sale has
to come from a proper facility was to make sure someone was not giving away or selling infected chicks that
can spread (like bird flu).
Hunt commented on Sec. 10.115, Number of Dogs and Cats Limited, that he does not see where it lists a
combination of number of dogs and cats. Higgins pointed out ours only limits on the number of each, not
combined number of both. Gebert pointed out there are people out there who have a maximum of both
species. Hunt stated in those cases we would just grandfather those in. Higgins stated most people are not
going to report the cats that they have. Olson stated in Wausau how they have an exception for when puppies
are born, and allows a certain amount of time to re-home the puppies. Ermeling agreed if we changed this,
and people have more than what is allowed, we would grandfather. Higgins stated it would only be allowed for
those who already have all their pets licensed. Higgins explained the animal fancier license. Ermeling feels it
may be easier to have Weston and Rothschild’s allowable number the same. Hunt stated Rothschild only
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allows no more than 4 combined adult animals. Olson stated to leave the current language and then add a
section that says the grand total of adult animals is 4.
Pinsonneault brought up Sec. 10.116, Restrictions on Animals Other Than Dogs and Cats. He stated we need
to add information about chickens. Gebert stated we could refer to the Zoning code.
Pinsonneault brought up #4 under Sec. 10.116, Disposal of Manure, and how it affects livestock. Higgins
stated it provides an exception for commercial, rural residential, and agricultural uses. It was agreed the
exception in #1 also needs to be in #4.
Pinsonneault brought up Sec. 10.118, Providing Property Shelter, under 2.b. and 3.b. When we have chickens
there are not outdoor standards, as he believes they are not permitted indoors. Higgins will look at this.
Pinsonneault brought up Sec. 10.120, Vaccination. He stated in 2. It refers to “Every pet obtained...shall be
vaccinated…”, and how chickens can’t get rabies. He stated this section should just consistently list “dogs and
cats” and not “every pet”. Higgins pointed out in 1. it does specify that “…dog or cat (hereinafter “pet”)…”.
Pinsonneault then pointed out the in the Definitions section, Pet is defined as an animal kept for pleasure
rather than utility, which may/may not be susceptible to rabies. One of these needs to be fixed, most likely
removing the “hereinafter “pet””, and specify Dog and Cat in this section.
Pinsonneault brought up Sec. 10.121, Licenses Required, and that we need to add license for chickens.
Pinsonneault brought up Sec. 10.128, Required Removal of Animal Excreta. He stated we should change the
word “Excreta” to “Feces”. He also brought up that the last paragraph appears as if someone else’s dog goes
into his yard, and defecates, and if he then does not pick the mess up that he would be liable for that someone
else’s dog’s feces in his yard (sounding like anyone can be responsible).
Pinsonneault brought up Sec. 10.132, Female Animal In Season, and how it needs a definition.
Pinsonneault brought up Sec. 10.132.01, Community Cats, under #8 & 9, where “Animal Control Authority” is
not defined. Gebert thinks the reason it was left broad was because any person can take the community cats
to a Humane Society, Police Department, or Veterinarian Clinic.
Pinsonneault brought up Sec. 10.137, Certain Creatures Forbidden. He stated we should be more specific on
what type of animals. Hunt stated they have something in the Rothschild ordinance.
Pinsonneault brought up Sec. 10.301, Permitted Activity Zones. He stated our code does not coordinate with
our map. Gebert stated we will look into this.
Pinsonneault stated we will see this back next month.
ANNOUNCEMENTS [1:15:56 Zoom Meeting Recording]
Gebert commented with the election being the day after our regularly scheduled November meeting,
how we moved that one to October 28th, at 5pm. However, she realized that conflicts with the Parks
and Recreation Meeting that night at 5:00 p.m. She suggested we either hold the October 28th
meeting after the Parks meeting is over (which could last until 6:00 p.m.) or just cancel that meeting
all together, and hold off until our regular December 2nd meeting.
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The members were fine with holding the next meeting, on October 28th, after the Parks & Recreation
meeting.
REMARKS FROM COMMITTEE MEMBERS
None.
ITEMS FOR NEXT AGENDA [1:17:55 Zoom Meeting Recording]
a. Next Regular Meeting Date – Monday, October 28, 2024, at 6:00 p.m. – following Parks
Commercial building inspections will come back along with more discussion on the Chapter 10
Animals.
ADJOURNMENT
Motion by Ermeling, second by Czerwonka: to adjourn at 6:19 p.m.
Jim Pinsonneault, Village Trustee and CLPS Chair
Jami Gebert, Village Administrator
Valerie Parker, Recording Secretary
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